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Corvallis was the #14 seed. They were a weak team, but would have made your proposed cut. -
[QUOTE=Unregistered;2033264]Sorry, but you are an idiot. Any team that wants in the State cup and pays should be allowed in. End of story. I don't care if the team that won fall and spring loses and doesn't advance out of group play. This is the State tournament and any team registered in Oregon State soccer can play. Sorry if you feel inconvenienced but if you want to win the tournament win games. Enough of the "Its not fair crap" Teach your kids life is not fair. Do some parenting and shut the hell up![/QUOTE
Touché- your medal is on its way for parent of the year. Lucky for you, they threw out morals and integrity as one of the items being considered in voting because you obviously don't teach your precious son those...Comment
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What is Westside's play tomorrow? They can pick their pendent essentially!Comment
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^^^opponent... My apologiesComment
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And? You have missed the point and are once again DEFLECTING. The format and rules are flawed as is your logicOriginally posted by Unregistered View Post
Easy solution, play premier in fall (green 8 teams and white 8 teams)and relegate the bottom 2 from green to white and move up top 2 from white for spring. Lock the rosters at the start of spring and seed teams based on spring results for statecup. If you want to give more teams a chance make it 10 per premier division. If you want to play in state cup you know the rules before fall and numbers are set once you commit to playing premier from the get go. Checks and balances are needed and OYSA has proved themselves incompetent many times over so why do we have to just sit and accept it? Because you said so?Comment
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If you are asking it's all that needs to said. Go win your game tomorrow and let the rest of the chips fall where they may. For the fourth seed to have so much control over placement of the last 8 is so random. Does Westside show their true colors and manipulate positioning because they can't beat fc or BSC on the field and thus position themselves opposite them in the bracket or do they go out and beat Eugene by multiple goals like they have every other time they played and take their earned spot?? Before you try to say they were the second best team like you have multiple times- rules are rules. Sorry " life is not fair"Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Win by one goal. Make ADF sweat it out on Bend/NEU.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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ADF could have just eliminated themselves with that loss. Their fate rests in the hands of a trio of Timbers alliance teams. if bend wins by 2 goals they will get one of the remaining wild cards. And then you have the Westside/Eugene game. no need to even discuss that oneOriginally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Somehow the crows still have a chance to get a wildcard. If they win by 2 and bend loses they would sneak in with the last wildcard and CFC would be outComment
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Easier solution is to get rid of state cup. But oysa lacks the balls and needs the money. And parents like you think it is really important.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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OK, I've filled in the spreadsheet, performed a Monte Carlo simulation, done the regression analysis, consulted a Ouija board, scattered entrails on the floor, read the tea leaves, and consulted the Oracle of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and here's the scoop for tomorrow:
1) At this point, three teams (FC, 4H, and BSC) have clinched their group. Copa has clinched a spot in the quarterfinals (even if they lose by four to ETFC they will be guaranteed a wildcard spot on goal differential--ADF getting stomped today means ADF cannot pass Copa in the standings) . PCU, LYS, Samba, RVT, Corvallis, SSC, IFC Eagles, and NEU are out. WashT, three teams in Group B, ADF, ETFC, and Bend are still alive.
What each team needs to do to advance:
1) Wash T (4.5 pts, +4.5 GD pro-rated): Hope either CFC or Crossfire lose, AND Bend loses.
2) CFC (4 points, +4 GD, game remaning vs IFC Cuervos). Win vs IFC. Advancement with a tie or a loss is possible, but far less likely.
3) Crossfire (4 points, +1 GD, game remaining vs LYS). Win vs LYS. Advancement with a tie or loss is possible, but far less likely.
4) Cuervos (1 point, -1 GD, game remaining at CFC). Beat CFC by 4 goals, and hope Crossfire loses by at least two goals.
5) ADF (6 points, +2 GD, 7GA). Now out of their hands. 7 goals against means they will lose all tiebreakers on even goal differential. Will advance if either a) Crossfire or CFC fail to win, OR b) Copa beats ETFC by four or more OR c) Bend fails to win by at least two against NEU.
6) ETFC (6 points, +5GD, 2 GA, game remaining at Copa). Will advance unless they lose by four or more to Copa (or lose by 3 and give up a tone of goals in the process), and may still advance even if they do lose bigly. A victory over Copa would make them the Group D winners, otherwise they are a wildcard if they advance.
7) Bend (3 points, 0 GD, 4GA, game reamining vs NEU). Needs to beat NEU. If they do; they advance if either a) they win by three or more; b) they win by two goals and don't give up three goals, or c) either Crossfire or CFC fails to win. If Bend loses or ties, they are done.
Bottom line: ETFC, CFC, and Crossfire all control their own destiny, and will advance with a win. ETFC is in the strongest position of the remaining teams, as they advance with a win or a time, and disaster would have to strike for them not to move on. Bend also advances with a large enough win--a one-goal victory may not be enough. 4H is in a weaker position--they need some help to advance--though only one out of four things need to happen for them to move on. WT FC needs a lot of help, and Cuervos would need to come out on top of a four-way time in Group B.
If a) Copa loses by four or more, b) Bend wins by four or more, c) Copa gives up at least five goals, and d) both Crossfire and CFC win, Copa will be the #8 seed and meet FC in the quarterfinals. That's Copa's worst case at this point.
What all of this means is--if Copa fails to beat ETFC by at least four, piles of ADF fans will whine that the fix is in, and Copa conspired to try and eliminate ADF. If Copa thrashes ETFC and manages to knock them out of the quarterfinals, piles of FC fans will whine that the fix is in, particularly if ADF winds up as the #8 seed. (Either Crossfire or CFC failing to win would make it mostly moot, as then six points would guarantee a spot in the quarterfinals and both ETFC and ADF would be through). Either way, Westside will be accused of foul conspiracies and match-rigging by the various factions here on TS.
And that's probably the thing that can be stated with the highest degree of certainty.Comment
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No they wouldn't. WT FC has 4.5 pro-rated standings points (since they only played two games instead of three, you have to multiply all their numbers by 1.5) and would beat out los cuervos.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
The crows could advance if they win AND LYS wins--in which case their is a four-way tie in Group B, and one of the four will have get to go. Otherwise, 4 points will not be enough for any team to advance as a wildcard.Comment
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Wa Timbers has an average of 1.5, you do not multiply it. You compare that average against all others. Eugene (even with a loss ) will have an average of 2 as does ADF. Only way wa Timbers get in is if crossfire, CFC and bend all lose. If that happens Eugene, ADF and wa Timbers are the wild cards. I know you cross checked everything but you forgot the rules...Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Either averaging, or mutliplying WA FC by 1.5, produces the same results.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Bend needs to win to pass WT FC--if they tie they have only four points (average of 1.333), if they lose they have only 3 (average of 1).
Crossfire and CFC need only to tie to pass WT FC; right now they have four points (average of 1.333), a tie gives them five (average of 1.667), a win gives them seven (average of 2.333). However, BOTH of them have to pass WT FC--one of them will advance as the group winner, not as a wildcard; it's only the second-place team in Group B that WA FC needs to worry about.
4H and ETFC/Copa already are past WA FC with at least 6 points (2 average).Comment
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