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I feel bad for WA. They are a really good team and can hang with the best. Their talent level is higher than whoever wins the wild cards.

I could not agree more!

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If we are going to declaring teams unfit for State Cup--I'd add PCU, possibly RVT, and NEU to the list. Even Bend and ETFC are a notch below the other top ten seeds. But since it's essentially an open tournament, where do you draw the line? Should teams that are sorted into non-Premier in the Fall be banned (even if, like BSC, they demonstrate they were flighted incorrectly)? Should playing in President's or Founders Cup make you ineligible for State Cup--.

I get that there seemed to be some sarcasm in proposing to exclude PCU, RVT, NEU, etc. But, if we carry that thought forward, excluding those teams effectively means not having group play. RVT won the Premiere White division this spring and beat BSC 4-1 in league play. And BSC won their group. If Premiere White winner can't play, then the whole tournament is to be limited to Premiere Green. Not much of a tournament. Some teams ascend in tourney play, some teams fade, some travel poorly one weekend. Kids just gotta play.

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I get that there seemed to be some sarcasm in proposing to exclude PCU, RVT, NEU, etc. But, if we carry that thought forward, excluding those teams effectively means not having group play. RVT won the Premiere White division this spring and beat BSC 4-1 in league play. And BSC won their group. If Premiere White winner can't play, then the whole tournament is to be limited to Premiere Green. Not much of a tournament. Some teams ascend in tourney play, some teams fade, some travel poorly one weekend. Kids just gotta play.

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Blah, blah, blah ... Zzzzzz

Wrong. That poster was correct. There are a few teams that clearly do not belong in this tourney, and their inclusion does give teams in their pool and advantage. However, BSC and RVT have been great. Washington did draww the short straw though, and for that I am sorry.

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I get that there seemed to be some sarcasm in proposing to exclude PCU, RVT, NEU, etc. But, if we carry that thought forward, excluding those teams effectively means not having group play. RVT won the Premiere White division this spring and beat BSC 4-1 in league play. And BSC won their group. If Premiere White winner can't play, then the whole tournament is to be limited to Premiere Green. Not much of a tournament. Some teams ascend in tourney play, some teams fade, some travel poorly one weekend. Kids just gotta play.

Exactly the point, what if fc had a bad game today (since they "are kids"), would you still feel the same. Not talking about rvt, or just having premier green, however 4 teams do not belong and should have been pushed to presidents. Samba finished at the bottom of premier white in fall and spring (not a chance in you know where that they were ascending to anything), sac did not even play premier in either season, do I need to go on? if it meant not having an even number for pool play the 5th seed should have had the short pool just in case. To saddle the 1st seed with a "knockout" scenario right from the get go is the issue. Could have been solved by limiting the field to 16. I know that may not fit the socialistic homogenized world you want to live in, but group A got screwed plain and simple..

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I get that there seemed to be some sarcasm in proposing to exclude PCU, RVT, NEU, etc. But, if we carry that thought forward, excluding those teams effectively means not having group play. RVT won the Premiere White division this spring and beat BSC 4-1 in league play. And BSC won their group. If Premiere White winner can't play, then the whole tournament is to be limited to Premiere Green. Not much of a tournament. Some teams ascend in tourney play, some teams fade, some travel poorly one weekend. Kids just gotta play.

A bit of a stretch to compare rvt to samba (it was 5-0 today)- you are reaching by comparing a premier white winner with a team that finished at the bottom of that table twice and maybe won 4 games all year. South side, Corvallis and others can be substituted for samba and it's the same story. If you are going to allow these teams in it just dilutes the talent and in this case created disadvantages for the 1 team that earned the right (by winning premier green in fall and spring) to have a fall back just in case a bad bounce or kids don't show up for one game. If you disagree with that you are just reaching and unwilling to be honest

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Any update on ADF-4H?

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Any update on ADF-4H?

4h 4 ADF 0, unofficial

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A bit of a stretch to compare rvt to samba (it was 5-0 today)- you are reaching by comparing a premier white winner with a team that finished at the bottom of that table twice and maybe won 4 games all year. South side, Corvallis and others can be substituted for samba and it's the same story. If you are going to allow these teams in it just dilutes the talent and in this case created disadvantages for the 1 team that earned the right (by winning premier green in fall and spring) to have a fall back just in case a bad bounce or kids don't show up for one game. If you disagree with that you are just reaching and unwilling to be honest

My, my. I'm surprised to read so much stuff about Westside's B team, especially from someone who clearly knows nothing about them. (They played Division 1 in fall, not premier white, and did both President's and State Cup).

Anyone want to do the analysis of what scores tomorrow would make ADF the #8 seed?

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My, my. I'm surprised to read so much stuff about Westside's B team, especially from someone who clearly knows nothing about them. (They played Division 1 in fall, not premier white, and did both President's and State Cup).

Anyone want to do the analysis of what scores tomorrow would make ADF the #8 seed?

Well, to be honest there is not a whole lot of analysis required. They were over their heads.

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4h 4 ADF 0, unofficial

Official. 4-H dominated last 10 minutes when all four goals came. They were a very big and physical team.

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A bit of a stretch to compare rvt to samba (it was 5-0 today)- you are reaching by comparing a premier white winner with a team that finished at the bottom of that table twice and maybe won 4 games all year. South side, Corvallis and others can be substituted for samba and it's the same story. If you are going to allow these teams in it just dilutes the talent and in this case created disadvantages for the 1 team that earned the right (by winning premier green in fall and spring) to have a fall back just in case a bad bounce or kids don't show up for one game. If you disagree with that you are just reaching and unwilling to be honest

I don't think I was the one comparing RVT to Samba. To the contrary, I was responding to a post that seemed to suggest RVT, NEU and other premiere white teams might be considered for exclusion from State Cup. If the argument is to limit State Cup to sixteen teams consisting primarily of Premiere Green and White (and the best of whatever is left), then that's fine. But I draw the line at excluding Premier White teams or we will be left with a tournament that is no group play and little variation from the premier green league play.

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I don't think I was the one comparing RVT to Samba. To the contrary, I was responding to a post that seemed to suggest RVT, NEU and other premiere white teams might be considered for exclusion from State Cup. If the argument is to limit State Cup to sixteen teams consisting primarily of Premiere Green and White (and the best of whatever is left), then that's fine. But I draw the line at excluding Premier White teams or we will be left with a tournament that is no group play and little variation from the premier green league play.

I don't care how many teams, but pools need to be even. Wa Timbers got screwed now that we know the results. If that game finished 1-0 against fc imagine if a ball bounced a little different and somehow wa Timbers scored the first and only goal and thus eliminated the premier green winner of fall and spring in pool play from state cup only because they got just 2 games. If anything next year they need to limit it at even numbers and if it gets to 17-19 those teams are on wait list until they get to 20. Would you really have missed those bottom 4 teams? I know Westside would have since they somehow ended up with 2 of them in their pool

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I don't care how many teams, but pools need to be even. Wa Timbers got screwed now that we know the results. If that game finished 1-0 against fc imagine if a ball bounced a little different and somehow wa Timbers scored the first and only goal and thus eliminated the premier green winner of fall and spring in pool play from state cup only because they got just 2 games. If anything next year they need to limit it at even numbers and if it gets to 17-19 those teams are on wait list until they get to 20. Would you really have missed those bottom 4 teams? I know Westside would have since they somehow ended up with 2 of them in their pool

Sorry, but you are an idiot. Any team that wants in the State cup and pays should be allowed in. End of story. I don't care if the team that won fall and spring loses and doesn't advance out of group play. This is the State tournament and any team registered in Oregon State soccer can play. Sorry if you feel inconvenienced but if you want to win the tournament win games. Enough of the "Its not fair crap" Teach your kids life is not fair. Do some parenting and shut the hell up!

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My, my. I'm surprised to read so much stuff about Westside's B team, especially from someone who clearly knows nothing about them. (They played Division 1 in fall, not premier white, and did both President's and State Cup).

Anyone want to do the analysis of what scores tomorrow would make ADF the #8 seed?

Why even ask about what results make people different seeds, you have already ran the spread sheets and Monte Carlo simulations and iterations over and over. The score of Eugene Westside will tell the rest of us how much sack and class Copa has...

You are right, Samba was even worse than I gave them credit for. Just looked and they finished in the middle of third division in fall and second to last in premier white. They were defiantly ascending though. Cough cough