GU13 NWCL Predictions

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This EMFC parent doesn't think there was a conspiracy. However, Eugene not being informed that LO's game would not count means they weren't given the information that could have made a difference. 16 girls and their families believed that they were going to the semis, and they were crushed when news came out that they might not make it. The LO doc should have used his influence on the NWCL board to make the OPL game on Saturday be the tie breaker. It's not fair that LO had man at the table when this was being discussed but Eugene didn't. When NWCL informed us about the decision they said that after "much debate" we have decided to let LO go through, so it obviously wasn't an easy call. Why not make Saturday's game the tie breaker? It would have been the best resolution.

Excellent point. And I don't have a dog in the fight.

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SOP for LO (pronounced "low"). This isn't the only time they snaked someone this season. Ethics? Sportsmanship? Not at that club. Shadiest in the OPL, abuse their positions and pretty much run the OPL. At least with the OYSA we had club independent idiots instead of the current me first and the gimmy gimmies.

Agreed. Angela tried to screw over two U14 teams this season as well. LO has no class.

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This EMFC parent doesn't think there was a conspiracy. However, Eugene not being informed that LO's game would not count means they weren't given the information that could have made a difference. 16 girls and their families believed that they were going to the semis, and they were crushed when news came out that they might not make it. The LO doc should have used his influence on the NWCL board to make the OPL game on Saturday be the tie breaker. It's not fair that LO had man at the table when this was being discussed but Eugene didn't. When NWCL informed us about the decision they said that after "much debate" we have decided to let LO go through, so it obviously wasn't an easy call. Why not make Saturday's game the tie breaker? It would have been the best resolution.

Excellent points! I wonder what the LO parents will say about this.

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And the Timbers had 3 of their games against FC Nova, Tynecastle, and Issaquah. All bottom-dwellers of Flight A.

I'd argue that the "bottom-dwellers" the Timbers played were softer than the "bottom-dwellers" that WPFC played. And the statistics back me up on that. In games of Flight B "bottom-dwellers" vs Flight A "bottom-dwellers" (i.e., THUSC, FCSC, and FC Portland vs. FC Nova, Tynecastle, or Issaquah), Flight B bottom-dwellers were 3-1-1 with a +6 goal differential.


They both had relatively easy runs at NWCL.

Ok if we can agree that it's a push on the "bottom dwellers" then lets look at the top dwellers. The other 3 games.

WPFC vs. EMFC / LO / Coquitlam
Timbers vs. Crossfire A / Crossfire B / NWN Red

I'd much rather have WPFC's schedule then the Timbers. WPFC did have an easier path no doubt.

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Why not make Saturday's game the tie breaker? It would have been the best resolution.

If LO agrees to that then I will give them much respect. If they don't then you know they're just a snake in the grass and terrified that they aren't the better team. You would think that Oregon clubs would want to send the best team into the semi's.

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What would their (or your) take be had a team been comfortably in front of the standings going into the last game, rested all their starters, only to find out after the game that a game from last August (that was never reported) was suddenly brought into the points calculation and, as such, they were passed up? It's exactly why you have "official rules, standings and regulations". They just f'd up big time and aren't willing to work to rectify the situation.

But this isn't the case now is it. Your "what if" has absolutely no relevance in this arguement.
Yes there was a mistake (F'up in your language). It appears the "rectification" is the tournament director keeping his word.
The issue here is that He/they didn't communicate this to ALL teams. Having a "play-off" isn't the right answer either. The tournament director keeps his word / EMFC is pissed off (we all feel bad) / we move on.

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But this isn't the case now is it. Your "what if" has absolutely no relevance in this arguement.
Yes there was a mistake (F'up in your language). It appears the "rectification" is the tournament director keeping his word.
The issue here is that He/they didn't communicate this to ALL teams. Having a "play-off" isn't the right answer either. The tournament director keeps his word / EMFC is pissed off (we all feel bad) / we move on.

If you admit that a mistake was made and that Eugene had no idea what was going on then why wouldn't a "play-off" the right answer? What is LO afraid of?

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If you admit that a mistake was made and that Eugene had no idea what was going on then why wouldn't a "play-off" the right answer? What is LO afraid of?

Counter arguement from LO's standpoint. They played an extra game that they were told would not count. Why should they be required to defend their 2nd place position? They're GD is better than EMFC .... It cuts both ways. Either way someone is upset. Where do you stop the madness?

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Counter arguement from LO's standpoint. They played an extra game that they were told would not count. Why should they be required to defend their 2nd place position? They're GD is better than EMFC .... It cuts both ways. Either way someone is upset. Where do you stop the madness?

Yes, THEY were told that it woudn't count. Now that they know that a mistake was made why wouldn't they want to do the right thing.

Again, what are they scared of? If you truely feel that you're the better team then what's the big deal about proving it.

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But this isn't the case now is it. Your "what if" has absolutely no relevance in this arguement.
Yes there was a mistake (F'up in your language). It appears the "rectification" is the tournament director keeping his word.
The issue here is that He/they didn't communicate this to ALL teams. Having a "play-off" isn't the right answer either. The tournament director keeps his word / EMFC is pissed off (we all feel bad) / we move on.

Nwcl blatantly went against their rules...they didn't keep their word according to their rules.

I'm sure lo and nwcl hopes this blows over soon...it makes them both look bad.

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Nwcl blatantly went against their rules...they didn't keep their word according to their rules.

I'm sure lo and nwcl hopes this blows over soon...it makes them both look bad.

Get off your high horse and quoting the rules. Like it or not the rules were ammended to deal with an unforeseen and unfortunate situation of a team pulling out of the tournament at the last minute. The Tournament Director always has the final say and rules can be ammended if necessary. Again the issue is it wasn't communicated appropriately.

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Yes, THEY were told that it woudn't count. Now that they know that a mistake was made why wouldn't they want to do the right thing.

Again, what are they scared of? If you truely feel that you're the better team then what's the big deal about proving it.

It may be the "right thing" if you're EMFC but not anyone else. The mistake was not LO's they are not required, nor should they be expected, to rectify it.

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Ok if we can agree that it's a push on the "bottom dwellers" then lets look at the top dwellers. The other 3 games.

WPFC vs. EMFC / LO / Coquitlam
Timbers vs. Crossfire A / Crossfire B / NWN Red

I'd much rather have WPFC's schedule then the Timbers. WPFC did have an easier path no doubt.

I don't agree it was a push on the "bottom-dwellers." I think the ones the Timbers played were softer, and the statistics back me up.

I think it is fair to say that the top dwellers the Timbers played were a bit stronger than the ones WPFC played. At least on paper. But the Timbers were fortunate enough to catch NWN on what was clearly a subpar weekend for them, and a 1 goal win over Crossfire B (7th place in RCL and who WPFC destroyed 4-0 earlier this year) is not particularly brag-worthy. I'll give you that a win over Crossfire A is an accomplishment.

Had NWN been in their normal form when the Timbers played them, I would agree that the Timbers clearly had a more difficult path to the semis. But given the way NWN played last weekend (two losses by two goals, and only managed to beat the very worst team in the tournament by one goal), NWN were off their normal form and that makes it less clear-cut that the Timbers had the tougher schedule.

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Get off your high horse and quoting the rules. Like it or not the rules were ammended to deal with an unforeseen and unfortunate situation of a team pulling out of the tournament at the last minute. The Tournament Director always has the final say and rules can be ammended if necessary. Again the issue is it wasn't communicated appropriately.

But they had rules in place to deal with such a situation and those rules were implemented. The only reason LO is moving on is because Travis is sitting on the board.

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Get off your high horse and quoting the rules. Like it or not the rules were ammended to deal with an unforeseen and unfortunate situation of a team pulling out of the tournament at the last minute. The Tournament Director always has the final say and rules can be ammended if necessary. Again the issue is it wasn't communicated appropriately.

This one is the best of the lot :)

Stop quoting rules... don't you know that they can be changed at any time :)

Classic.