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I always thought that playing DAP meant you had to give up high school. Unless you were in prep school, then you needed a waiver.

I thought the whole point of DAP was to play a whole year of soccer in a highly competitive league with four practices a week. Is there an actual rule against playing DAP and public high school? Or is that just a big lie?

Wouldn't the whole league fall apart if everyone in it played high school soccer?

There are two high school loopholes. One is the private and prep school waiver tou.mentioned. Your club and USSF have to approve it. Technically it isn't for public school kidd but for kids who are financially depending on soccer to attend non public schools.

The other loophole is the add in period. Clubs are supposed to submit rosters to USSF in August but can add players later. That's where players like this one from Bethel would fit in. Did BS quietly approve that ahead of time? Unknown. In theory it shouldn't happen but probably does more than we're aware. I agree it will happen more if people hear about it and know clubs are hard pressed for players

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The way I see DAP is simply to play soccer at the highest level in order to play for a D1 School or perhaps go Professional. Similar to the dude who played for AC CT and is now playing at UCONN, he had to give up his last year of high school soccer and club to play Academy because colleges insist for players to play academy if they want to get noticed. There are kids who would give up playing DAP for a season to play high school soccer because of their friends, families, community and their chance of going far in States/Conference. Even the prep kids are playing DAP after high school. It’s the academies decision if they want the player but not simply to accept them automatically in the team but most academies do practice tryouts to see if the players are good enough of make an impact. Well that’s my perspective at least. My son never wanted to play Academy bc he wanted to play high school with his friends, but those who wants to further their soccer “career” should play for a high level club ECNL or play Academy and get noticed.

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Also, there is club policy. Some DA clubs let it be known that will strictky adhere to only full year commitments from players. No high school players can jump onboard.

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The way I see DAP is simply to play soccer at the highest level in order to play for a D1 School or perhaps go Professional. Similar to the dude who played for AC CT and is now playing at UCONN, he had to give up his last year of high school soccer and club to play Academy because colleges insist for players to play academy if they want to get noticed. There are kids who would give up playing DAP for a season to play high school soccer because of their friends, families, community and their chance of going far in States/Conference. Even the prep kids are playing DAP after high school. It’s the academies decision if they want the player but not simply to accept them automatically in the team but most academies do practice tryouts to see if the players are good enough of make an impact. Well that’s my perspective at least. My son never wanted to play Academy bc he wanted to play high school with his friends, but those who wants to further their soccer “career” should play for a high level club ECNL or play Academy and get noticed.

Agreed, but the kid from AC who went to UCONN GAVE UP PLAYING ONE YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL. He played one full year of Academy.

These two new guys at BS are not giving up anything. They played the high school season and are jumping into Academy right in the middle of the year.

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These are non prep players that he's allowing to come back. I can see the SKS boys because they play prep but SWC or FCIAC HS players like this year. That's rare

You do know you have a reading problem right ? Read the post you replied to carefully as it was in past tense. First year of inception.

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Probably why he went back to DA; high school wasn't what he thought it would be. Will he go back to Bethel for next fall also?

Or, he wants to do both and he is.

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no different than Pre-ECNL, its cheap bait to keep you on the hook
but it gives those parents something to crow about for a year until the hammer drops on them

Not even close. Pre-ECNL is U12 and, while a silly tag, indicates the kid on track to play on the ECNL team (although not a guarantee). They also play in league against other PRE-ECNL teams. Pre-Academy, is an occurrence every other year after U14 through HS. As another poster alluded to, these kids are NOT academy, yet expected to give up HS, yet they see Academy players playing HS and then coming back to their club when they feel like it after their HS season has ended. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME.

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Not even close. Pre-ECNL is U12 and, while a silly tag, indicates the kid on track to play on the ECNL team (although not a guarantee). They also play in league against other PRE-ECNL teams. Pre-Academy, is an occurrence every other year after U14 through HS. As another poster alluded to, these kids are NOT academy, yet expected to give up HS, yet they see Academy players playing HS and then coming back to their club when they feel like it after their HS season has ended. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME.

Call it what it is. B teams. Pre academy is not part of USSF. There is no prescription academy league. Clubs put these B teams in whatever local leagues seem appropriate. Pre Ecnl is the soon to be A team for younger ordained players, a few of which may not last. The vast majority of pre academy players will never make a DA squad

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OW does the same thing with recruiting players from other parts of the state after high school season especially returning players and prep kids. Of course there are academies that are against that, but I don’t see it as a tradition where you cant come back after high school. If the players seems great and can make Club grow then I don’t see the problem. Reminder that OW has done this even before BS even became an academy and most of the impact players come from other clubs or starting late from academy.

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You do know you have a reading problem right ? Read the post you replied to carefully as it was in past tense. First year of inception.

Thanks for your reply.

Yes I know that it was in past tense.

My point was prep players have traditionally gotten waivers but now they are allowing high school players to essentially opt in which is new

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Thanks for your reply.

Yes I know that it was in past tense.

My point was prep players have traditionally gotten waivers but now they are allowing high school players to essentially opt in which is new

The ability has always been there, during the add in period as described. Whether or not clubs know about it ahead of time and allow it, or it's genuinely new kids deciding to try out for the first time is unknown(not in this case it seems). If it starts happening more often then maybe USSF needs to rethink it's approach to HS altogether.

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There are two high school loopholes. One is the private and prep school waiver tou.mentioned. Your club and USSF have to approve it. Technically it isn't for public school kidd but for kids who are financially depending on soccer to attend non public schools.

The other loophole is the add in period. Clubs are supposed to submit rosters to USSF in August but can add players later. That's where players like this one from Bethel would fit in. Did BS quietly approve that ahead of time? Unknown. In theory it shouldn't happen but probably does more than we're aware. I agree it will happen more if people hear about it and know clubs are hard pressed for players

LETS GO THROUGH THE A-B-Cs AGAIN AND GET THE correct FACTS TO our TS posters, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY RECEIVED THE INFO THIRD HAND.

The loophole is for the player not join the Academy program in August but join after HS, there's no violation with a club discussing that with a player, as long as its not in writing.

Every year a player is free from the Academy club and as a free agent the cycle starts new. The DA contract is 10 months but you can transfer to another club but only when the "window" is open and agreed upon with both clubs for release of that player. If the club doesn't agree you can contact the USSF directly and have them over ride it (which is rarely a request by a player)
If you sign the USSF contract presented to you by your Academy club in August with intentions to play High School then you need a waiver (Public or Prep)
Like I said the loophole is "NOT" to sign and then enter the program when the window allows you and you're free to do that (Windows are late fall and prior Spring)

Rules, Guidelines have loopholes or the system won't work.
The USSF knew going into this there was no way to keep all the kids away from High school soccer.
The USSF will not put what I just wrote in the rule book and you can see why, if the kids and parents figured it out BS would (A) have no players or bad players and most likely loose every game in the fall which would be an impossible mountain to climb in terms of making playoffs.
So (B)BS will strive to make it extremely hard for players choosing HS and then comeback after their season but if you are that elite player, am sure that won't be a problem.

The only concern for a DA club like BSC in doing a 'Verbal" hold on a really good player is the worry that another DA club like NYCFC or RedBulls might become an opportunity for him after HS to test the waters, it happens occasionally and the player may request a trial with any of those clubs, if they make it, then BSC gets an email from the player saying he ain't coming back.
Situations like this can spell danger for a BSC because each fall season BSC usually struggles, and many monitor the results so getting a beating like the 7-1 lose against Montreal Impact, wont be too inviting for those players.

In truth i have no answer for BSCs challenge at keeping players away from HS/Prep soccer. Its a difficult task, its unfortunate for BSC but fantastic for the kids that the club is set in one of the best Academical counties in the country, and to make it worse on them the FCIAC rivalries and playoffs is actually exciting to watch.

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If these kids are good enough to play academy and have the ability to create success for the club, then I don’t see the issue for the academies to recruit players. Aside from that, the issue would be the flaw for USSF if players have to give up high school season but instead play hs and then play academy afterwards. Now, at the moment, if OW, BS, and other academy clubs have the ability to recruit players that way and nothing happens, then I don’t see the problem which there is no problem or else USSF or the Academy program would have disallowed that to happen with all the registration/paperwork. Obviously like I said before, if the players are good enough to play academy presently, then no problem. Colleges and Universities are probably asking these kids to play academy which is why they have no choice but to go. The parents are investing time and money for their kids to play soccer for a reason and it’s not to just have fun. Why spend thousands of dollars for their kids to “just play soccer” for premier, NPL, ECNL, DAP it’s more obvious that these kids wants to play college or even further.

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and just to add to this^^^^.

If you're good enough that BSC wants you to play not by "adding" you on but "WANT" ....Then id take advantage of the system and have my kid have fun playing HS, and then come back late November in just time for practices with the team to gel, and then onto Florida Showcase. Personally the fall DA games have literally no coaches attending due to their own schedule, so being seen to be recruited is a waste, it starts at the showcase , also you cant beat HS seasons bus and practice travel, what could be better than that.

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Maybe MK should take a page from Oakwood. They have a strict policy.