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Regarding the athletes question: if you have a physically mature kid at 12-14 who isn't playing up an age-group, you have a low-ceiling player on your hands. Your physically mature 13 year-olds should look like guest-players at their own age-group if they are actually top players.

But this is where actual leadership matters in an academy environment.

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I love that you label yourself as "not an athlete" and then proceed to derisively call kids who are, "snowflakes." SMH.

Not calling the kids snowflakes, or calling them anything.

Mocking the parental attitude that THEIR kid is "special". It's something that every parent likes to think, and some get drunk off of believing. And it's something that sharp coaches can exploit. The OP (you, or someone else) basically said that TA needs to pick the "special" players, an assertion that is both trivially true and content free.

I described what the TA appears to be looking for--technical ability far more than athleticism or being able to run a set play drawn up by the coach. You seem to have soccer confused with the other type of football.

I am not saying that because you did not play soccer, that you are entitled to an opinion. What I am saying is that because you did not play sports, it is hard to take your opinion seriously. Especially, when you keep putting down others, and promoting your own warped, sense of ideals. You say "bootballers" yet, half of the kids on TA came from that background. FC and Westside kids, ALL playedboot all. Please do not try to say differently. I was there and so were you. ZA, TE, GM, RF...The soccer equivalent of the hail Mary. Westside, 2 players would try (and fail most of the time) to dribble through everybody (insert your monologue here where you wax poetically about the courage and foresight of Westside to allow such a player the freedom to discover his inner Messi, and turn the ball over.) An then boot the ball when all else fails. Westside NEVER tried to play the ball out of the back. They were pressure, boot, counter.

You need to pay attention to where through-balls come from. "Playing it out of the back" doesn't mean that the holding mid dribbles all the way to the other teams' penalty box and then and only then passes it off, or never makes a pass that goes higher than waist-level. It means that the midfield is usually involved in organizing and developing the attack, rather than having defenders or the goalie lofting 50/50 balls downfield as soon as they take possession.

Copa's keeper couldn't even reach midfield with his punts. Copa's defense almost never blasted it over the middle third. And yes, players like RTR and RH and JBC were encouraged to beat opponents off the dribble; that's how Jaime coaches. Lots of one-on-one for U11s and U12s. On defense, lots of individual marking. The whole point of this is to improve the players' technical abilities. Yes, Copa often looked disorganized, or like they were running a fire drill. That was deliberate.

And yes, they did pressure a lot. Learning to play out of the back is useless if the other team simply lets you pass the ball around unmarked until reaching the midfield.

And yes, it drove a few parents crazy--parents who apparently didn't listen when Jaime said exactly what he was going to do at the start of the season. More than a few parents complained about the team's tactics (or apparent lack thereof), and a few left because of this. But at the start of the season, the coach made it clear how and why he was going to do what he was going to do.

Which is fine--if you care more about winning youth trophies in middle school, there are plenty of clubs that will focus like a laser on exactly that.

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Not calling the kids snowflakes, or calling them anything.

Mocking the parental attitude that THEIR kid is "special". It's something that every parent likes to think, and some get drunk off of believing. And it's something that sharp coaches can exploit. The OP (you, or someone else) basically said that TA needs to pick the "special" players, an assertion that is both trivially true and content free.

I described what the TA appears to be looking for--technical ability far more than athleticism or being able to run a set play drawn up by the coach. You seem to have soccer confused with the other type of football.



You need to pay attention to where through-balls come from. "Playing it out of the back" doesn't mean that the holding mid dribbles all the way to the other teams' penalty box and then and only then passes it off, or never makes a pass that goes higher than waist-level. It means that the midfield is usually involved in organizing and developing the attack, rather than having defenders or the goalie lofting 50/50 balls downfield as soon as they take possession.

Copa's keeper couldn't even reach midfield with his punts. Copa's defense almost never blasted it over the middle third. And yes, players like RTR and RH and JBC were encouraged to beat opponents off the dribble; that's how Jaime coaches. Lots of one-on-one for U11s and U12s. On defense, lots of individual marking. The whole point of this is to improve the players' technical abilities. Yes, Copa often looked disorganized, or like they were running a fire drill. That was deliberate.

And yes, they did pressure a lot. Learning to play out of the back is useless if the other team simply lets you pass the ball around unmarked until reaching the midfield.

And yes, it drove a few parents crazy--parents who apparently didn't listen when Jaime said exactly what he was going to do at the start of the season. More than a few parents complained about the team's tactics (or apparent lack thereof), and a few left because of this. But at the start of the season, the coach made it clear how and why he was going to do what he was going to do.

Which is fine--if you care more about winning youth trophies in middle school, there are plenty of clubs that will focus like a laser on exactly that.

Oh my god the world is truly upside down - Westside doesn't care about winning!

Well that truly is a new one.

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Not calling the kids snowflakes, or calling them anything.

Mocking the parental attitude that THEIR kid is "special". It's something that every parent likes to think, and some get drunk off of believing. And it's something that sharp coaches can exploit. The OP (you, or someone else) basically said that TA needs to pick the "special" players, an assertion that is both trivially true and content free.

I described what the TA appears to be looking for--technical ability far more than athleticism or being able to run a set play drawn up by the coach. You seem to have soccer confused with the other type of football.



You need to pay attention to where through-balls come from. "Playing it out of the back" doesn't mean that the holding mid dribbles all the way to the other teams' penalty box and then and only then passes it off, or never makes a pass that goes higher than waist-level. It means that the midfield is usually involved in organizing and developing the attack, rather than having defenders or the goalie lofting 50/50 balls downfield as soon as they take possession.

Copa's keeper couldn't even reach midfield with his punts. Copa's defense almost never blasted it over the middle third. And yes, players like RTR and RH and JBC were encouraged to beat opponents off the dribble; that's how Jaime coaches. Lots of one-on-one for U11s and U12s. On defense, lots of individual marking. The whole point of this is to improve the players' technical abilities. Yes, Copa often looked disorganized, or like they were running a fire drill. That was deliberate.

And yes, they did pressure a lot. Learning to play out of the back is useless if the other team simply lets you pass the ball around unmarked until reaching the midfield.

And yes, it drove a few parents crazy--parents who apparently didn't listen when Jaime said exactly what he was going to do at the start of the season. More than a few parents complained about the team's tactics (or apparent lack thereof), and a few left because of this. But at the start of the season, the coach made it clear how and why he was going to do what he was going to do.

Which is fine--if you care more about winning youth trophies in middle school, there are plenty of clubs that will focus like a laser on exactly that.

I have to give it to you....you could probably be a master debater (and you are definitely a bater) You manipulate and change the narrative to fit your agenda. Wait...wHt is your agenda again? It would seem to only be that Westside is the only club that prepares kids the right way; AND that TA only values kids like said Westside kids. Sound about right Darth bater?

I am enjoying (and maybe even appreciating your tenacity) your ridiculous claims. You contradict yourself every other post, and clearly have ZERO self awareness about how you are coming across. Is this all related to Crossfire? I believe you just mentioned how COPA doesn't care about a winning record, correct? Or has that narrative changed again? See, I know that Copa has a losing record against Crossfire, and FC as well. I remember a couple years back (was your snowflake a Samba player then or was it Mundial? ) I read a lot of **** talk on here about FC and Crossfire. If you can't beat em, launch a smear campaign. "Oh they are just big and fast..wit until everybody catches up to them." Bio Band." Funny thing is, Crossfire at U11had zero big players. At U12, 1 big player. At U13, 2 kids hit puberty and had major growth spurts. Now at U14, there are 4 kids who could be deemed "large." Somehow...they are still skilled, have pace and have touch. Westside, had the much bigger roster. Please...continue use to change the narrative, and I will continue to take you to the woodshed. Much like teams do with Copa. Keep trying sweatpants.

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This thread needs a character limit

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You all forget that we have actually seen Westside and Crossfire play. They play poorly. Like, they're bad.

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You all forget that we have actually seen Westside and Crossfire play. They play poorly. Like, they're bad.

Almost as bad as the TA 05 reserve team. But not quite. Crossfire and Westside players are better now though because they are getting game minutes.

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You all forget that we have actually seen Westside and Crossfire play. They play poorly. Like, they're bad.

True. All U14 teams are crappy in Oregon. TA on down. However, Westside is decidedly more crappy, they just won't admit it. In spite of Karma and their record constantly slapping them in their face. However, I am loving this cat fight. Saucer of milk, for 2!

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This thread needs a character limit

I agree!

This thread is now limited to 3 characters: WS Dad, Prediction Guy and LP.

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I have to give it to you....you could probably be a master debater (and you are definitely a bater) You manipulate and change the narrative to fit your agenda. Wait...wHt is your agenda again? It would seem to only be that Westside is the only club that prepares kids the right way; AND that TA only values kids like said Westside kids. Sound about right Darth bater?

I don't recall ever saying WT was the only club; that would be a ridiculous and incorrect claim.

However, they do choose to focus on technique at least through U12. And many consider that the correct focus for player development, including the Timbers. That isn't necessarily the best way to win games at that age, however.

I am enjoying (and maybe even appreciating your tenacity) your ridiculous claims. You contradict yourself every other post, and clearly have ZERO self awareness about how you are coming across. Is this all related to Crossfire? I believe you just mentioned how COPA doesn't care about a winning record, correct?

Didn't say Copa didn't care about winning. Said they focused on a particular model of player development, one that (the club believes, at least) produces the best results long term, but doesn't produce as good of results short term.

Or has that narrative changed again? See, I know that Copa has a losing record against Crossfire, and FC as well. I remember a couple years back (was your snowflake a Samba player then or was it Mundial? )

You know far less about our sideline than you think. Keep guessing.

I read a lot of **** talk on here about FC and Crossfire. If you can't beat em, launch a smear campaign. "Oh they are just big and fast..wit until everybody catches up to them." Bio Band." Funny thing is, Crossfire at U11 had zero big players. At U12, 1 big player. At U13, 2 kids hit puberty and had major growth spurts. Now at U14, there are 4 kids who could be deemed "large." Somehow...they are still skilled, have pace and have touch. Westside, had the much bigger roster. Please...continue use to change the narrative, and I will continue to take you to the woodshed. Much like teams do with Copa. Keep trying sweatpants.

Not trying to launch a smear campaign.

This little threadlet started when someone expressed outrage that a certain Copa player managed to make the TA, despite the fact that he was small, arguably held onto the ball too long, and and (according to you, or someone) grabbed shirts on defense, or something like that. You apparently don't like, or are offended by, the explanation--TA is looking for specific skill sets, which some coaches prefer to de-emphasize. You seem to prefer an alternate explanation--club favortism--but that doesn't stand up.

And FC has just as many alums on TA as Westside does, so much of my commentary doesn't apply to them. They did like to boot it long, especially when ZA was able to punt it into the other side's penalty box; but TE and GM and RF are all very skilled players with their feet.

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I agree!

This thread is now limited to 3 characters: WS Dad, Prediction Guy and LP.

Not sure who LP is? But, I am thinking WS Dad and Prediction guy are on in the same. And, honestly...he is making me feel nostalgic for crazy Crossfire honk. I mean, c'mon man...nobody cares about Westside. Give it a rest. You are the only person who thinks Westside has any redeemable value. On to Oceanside folks...

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Not sure who LP is? But, I am thinking WS Dad and Prediction guy are on in the same. And, honestly...he is making me feel nostalgic for crazy Crossfire honk. I mean, c'mon man...nobody cares about Westside. Give it a rest. You are the only person who thinks Westside has any redeemable value. On to Oceanside folks...

Who is LP?

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Who is LP?

Those who know, know. If you don’t know, it’s one reason you weren’t invited to the 05 Pundit Roundtable of 3

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Who is LP is the most interesting question posed on this forum all day.

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If it weren't for Westside, this thread wouldn't exist, and somebody would have to invent them.