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I don't know why everyone is so down on "bad attitude kid". Never had a problem with him while he was on Copa. He did wear his heart on his sleeve and got booked a few times, but he was always an asset on the field when he was with Westside. And he always seemed a nice kid to me.

Actually, warring his heart on his sleeve is probably not a bad way to describe him at all. My son played ODP with him, and both liked, and liked playing with him.

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The "snark" is strong in this one.

Thanks. The guy I was directing it to probably fails to get it. He's busy compiling stats for his son's 05 team and clipping juice box and donut coupons for the after game snack.

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I believe the poster was saying that while there may be 3 starters on TA, who came from Westside, that only 2 of them are any good. I agree with your assessment about the bad attitude kid, and the vertically challenged one. Not sure why you felt the need to mention a player that came from FC though? However, feel free to claim him, as he also has a bad attitude and creates a lot of scoring chances for the opposing team due to his arrogance. A trait I can vividly remember from his time in Red and White.

I am the OP and agree with you on the FC kid. It was only mentioned because someone was keeping tallies on feeder clubs to TA. WT did develop him for at least 4 years prior to TA. However, you are right in your assessment. He has a poor attitude. He creates a lot of scoring chances against TA. He is arrogant and snide. He makes horrible and risky decisions. However, he is extremely athletic and can make up for mistakes with speed and size. Not sure how long that will carry him, but clearly TA sees all of this because he hardly plays. My bet is he is back at FC next season--as a star.

PS-I am with al the others. Nobody here cares about 04. Go do your thing and stay off ours.

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I am the OP and agree with you on the FC kid. It was only mentioned because someone was keeping tallies on feeder clubs to TA. WT did develop him for at least 4 years prior to TA. However, you are right in your assessment. He has a poor attitude. He creates a lot of scoring chances against TA. He is arrogant and snide. He makes horrible and risky decisions. However, he is extremely athletic and can make up for mistakes with speed and size. Not sure how long that will carry him, but clearly TA sees all of this because he hardly plays. My bet is he is back at FC next season--as a star.

PS-I am with al the others. Nobody here cares about 04. Go do your thing and stay off ours.

Agreed. This is the ‘05 thread. The ‘04’s are much deeper. I’ve noticed that our ‘05 agegroup is soft from top to bottom with only 1-2 true elite players and they play up on the ‘04 DA

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Agreed. This is the ‘05 thread. The ‘04’s are much deeper. I’ve noticed that our ‘05 agegroup is soft from top to bottom with only 1-2 true elite players and they play up on the ‘04 DA

I disagree with your assessment, but whatever...they are OUR soft players, so eff off and go to the 04 thread.

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I disagree with your assessment, but whatever...they are OUR soft players, so eff off and go to the 04 thread.

I think the OP is correct in their assessment. The ‘05 agegroup is a weak agegroup. The ‘06’s look like they will be a quality group though.

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Love this narrative, we are the best of the ‘Leftovers’.

These discussions are framed around what remains after the Timbers Dev. Academy cheery picks the best of the best players from our local clubs. Why touch on this, it’s truly a depressing and irrelevant subject matter.

What’s not discussed is why so few players are chosen to the Timbers DA from certain clubs, year after year.?

Except that's not really the case for this or any other age group for TA. I will tell you this only one more time- several kids said no to 05 TA this year- BEFORE TRYOUTS. I know if it was truly based on the best talent at this age then crossfire would have at least 3 maybe upwards of 5 kids on TA washington around the same, fc a couple more, bsc at least 1, eastside 1 and I am sure some oysa kids also deserve it but I have not seen them this year. If those kids alone desired or wanted to they would take spots from the westside, ADF and pcu throw ins that ended up with spots because individuals and a few others said no and or did not even waste time going to tryouts for various reasons....It's the reality so stop puffing out your peacock chest, you remind me of the movie couples retreat- boom regard me

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I think the OP is correct in their assessment. The ‘05 agegroup is a weak agegroup. The ‘06’s look like they will be a quality group though.

Actually the 05 age group has a ton of talent and if the parental/club/politics/geographical/etc bullchit could be set aside we could have a very strong TA roster. Many coaches have said the 05 age group is the strongest and most talented, but also the most fractioned

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I think the OP is correct in their assessment. The ‘05 agegroup is a weak agegroup. The ‘06’s look like they will be a quality group though.

There are a handful of '06s that are really quite good, and one who is truly excellent. Will be interesting to see if TA or any other club can pull them all together.

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Except that's not really the case for this or any other age group for TA. I will tell you this only one more time- several kids said no to 05 TA this year- BEFORE TRYOUTS. I know if it was truly based on the best talent at this age then crossfire would have at least 3 maybe upwards of 5 kids on TA washington around the same, fc a couple more, bsc at least 1, eastside 1 and I am sure some oysa kids also deserve it but I have not seen them this year. If those kids alone desired or wanted to they would take spots from the westside, ADF and pcu throw ins that ended up with spots because individuals and a few others said no and or did not even waste time going to tryouts for various reasons....It's the reality so stop puffing out your peacock chest, you remind me of the movie couples retreat- boom regard me

There probably are kids on the various club teams that could challenge for a roster spot on TA. Some didn't try out, some are late bloomers that weren't ready last year but have improved, some declined.

For that reason, I'd prefer TWO subsidized academy teams at the younger age groups, located in different parts of the Portland metro area. One, they could play each other. Two, driving to Beaverton is a horrendous headache for anyone on the East side or in Washington (and locating in East Portland, let alone Harmony, would be equally painful for Washington County families).

That said--can we dispense with the tripe that WashT and Crossfire have better talent than the clubs that actually DID send kids to TA? No, you don't. The three teams that placed the most kids in TA were three of your four State Cup finalists (the fourth finalist, CFC, being located outside the metro area). Ben Billups and his influence notwithstanding, there's a very reason that those clubs sent the most players up--they were the best teams in the state last year. And the scrimmage a while back, I think, ought to have debunked the notion that the local club teams are better than the Academy.

And if you didn't bother to try out, it's lame to squawk about how your DS would have made it had he did. Maybe, but probably not. That's like saying you could date Lara Stone if you wanted, but you decided not to ask her out.

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There probably are kids on the various club teams that could challenge for a roster spot on TA. Some didn't try out, some are late bloomers that weren't ready last year but have improved, some declined.

For that reason, I'd prefer TWO subsidized academy teams at the younger age groups, located in different parts of the Portland metro area. One, they could play each other. Two, driving to Beaverton is a horrendous headache for anyone on the East side or in Washington (and locating in East Portland, let alone Harmony, would be equally painful for Washington County families).

That said--can we dispense with the tripe that WashT and Crossfire have better talent than the clubs that actually DID send kids to TA? No, you don't. The three teams that placed the most kids in TA were three of your four State Cup finalists (the fourth finalist, CFC, being located outside the metro area). Ben Billups and his influence notwithstanding, there's a very reason that those clubs sent the most players up--they were the best teams in the state last year. And the scrimmage a while back, I think, ought to have debunked the notion that the local club teams are better than the Academy.

And if you didn't bother to try out, it's lame to squawk about how your DS would have made it had he did. Maybe, but probably not. That's like saying you could date Lara Stone if you wanted, but you decided not to ask her out.

Go check your facts about last years last four in state cup. regardless of how you want to try and spin it TA does not have all the top talent (maybe only half of the top 10- and not even the best player at this age group). Only thing the scrimmage proved is that you have a better bench than one of the 7 local da teams. Would love to see a scrimmage of TA and a team made up of what you call little da "all stars that could not make the TA in your words. That would prove the point many on here are talking about- TA missed on and was rebuffed by a lot of logical parents with very talented kids and had to fill the roster with less qualified kids and they went to their well that they knew and could influence into accepting a spot (and I am not disparaging them it is just what it is). Several did not even start or play meaningful minutes for their old teams for gods sake

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There are a handful of '06s that are really quite good, and one who is truly excellent. Will be interesting to see if TA or any other club can pull them all together.

Oh, so one who is truly excellent? I suspect he has a hyphenated last name because the English Only speaking kids in Oregon aren't the best players.

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One amazing 06 on FC, the others at ADF.

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Go check your facts about last years last four in state cup. regardless of how you want to try and spin it TA does not have all the top talent (maybe only half of the top 10- and not even the best player at this age group). Only thing the scrimmage proved is that you have a better bench than one of the 7 local da teams. Would love to see a scrimmage of TA and a team made up of what you call little da "all stars that could not make the TA in your words. That would prove the point many on here are talking about- TA missed on and was rebuffed by a lot of logical parents with very talented kids and had to fill the roster with less qualified kids and they went to their well that they knew and could influence into accepting a spot (and I am not disparaging them it is just what it is). Several did not even start or play meaningful minutes for their old teams for gods sake

The last four in the 2017 B05 State Cup were FC, Westside, ADF, and CFC. The first three supplied tons of TA players; the fourth is outside the metro area. What "fact" did you think I had gotten wrong?

While a scrimmage between the TA and the top kids in little DA and OYSA (there are plenty of good players playing for ADF, the remote Timbers Alliance teams, and the various Latino teams that aren't in the DA program) would be interesting--it probably won't happen. Who would organize the non-TA team? Kids are too busy with their own teams.

But again--it's a rich assumption on anyone's part that "my DS would have made it had they shown up, but we're not casting our pearls before those swine". Some, maybe. And if you actually did try out, were offered a spot, and declined, you at least have a point. But parents have an AMAZING ability to delude themselves that their kid and their kids friends and teammates are better than they really are.