Divided we maybe again ??

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So as to not get bogged down in who owns or administers this "new soccer world" for Oregon I suggest we continue to build the "what" If we can get clear on that we can resolve the who much easier.

I like the start above

"all clubs and teams need to be in one organization. That organization is responsible for competition within the borders of Oregon and a national championship path. Their oversight ends there. If a club wants to affiliate teams to any of the regional leagues that is up to them to gain entry, the state organization will do its part to help.

There should be two state championship paths, one for teams who wish to continue to regionals, and one for teams who do not want to travel. If you enter the regional focused tournament you are committing to travel if you win."

Then as stated below Money trail becomes an issue. Although OYSA has been reviled on this board, I prefer knowing my money spent on soccer will go back in to supporting soccer in the State, rather than into some DOC's pocket.

So I would add that the administrating organization should be a non-profit focused on the growth improvement of Soccer in Oregon. Program fees charged will be re-invested to help member clubs provide better services, help make soccer more affordable, and help make ongoing improvements in the Oregon Soccer world (language not perfect, but the intent is there)

Sounds all fine and dandy, but youve got 2 HUGE issues. Timbers and the OPC, both "FOR PROFIT" organizations, both wanting "their fair share".

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Sounds all fine and dandy, but youve got 2 HUGE issues. Timbers and the OPC, both "FOR PROFIT" organizations, both wanting "their fair share".

So they would not fit the model proposed. As I understood the goal was to create "the best solution for Oregon Soccer. Once the ideal solution is identified, it can be compared to reality and trade offs can be identified.

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So they would not fit the model proposed. As I understood the goal was to create "the best solution for Oregon Soccer. Once the ideal solution is identified, it can be compared to reality and trade offs can be identified.

The two organizations are in it for no other reason then to make a buck and control all soccer activities in this state.

Right now you have the OPC making and keeping all their profits, sharing with nobody, except for their $60k/yr payment to the Timbers to not compete against them. They call it sponsorship, but why are they paying the Timbers to sponsor their league and activities, youd think it would be the other way around.

Then you have the Timbers and GW. They have or are soon going to enter into an agreement to take over the day to day activities of OYSA. They have 5 alliance clubs now, claim to have another 5 waiting in the wings that want to join up or partner. That gives them 10 clubs state wide and all the other clubs that currently play in the OYSA leagues (greater then the OPL, especially if the Timbers pull out, leaving them with just 6 remaining "founding" clubs). Im sure they think that they can sway the "non member" clubs now playing in the OPL to play in the OYSA leagues and ultimately collapsing the OPL.

If that happens, I wouldn't want to be have a child playing for FC, OSSA or THUSC. They wont have anyone to play but each other, in a league that has no direction outside our state and no support for further development.

In order for all of this to work, they all have to want to work together. The OPL will make less money per team entered into the leagues, but will have ALL of the teams in the entire state playing in one league that they manage. I can see some resistance coming from the OPC right away.

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"money spent on soccer will go back into supporting soccer in this state, rather than into some DOC's pocket" ???? Are you on crack or something? One of the many problems with OYSA was the overly generous pay for limited value of many of its employees. $105,000 per year for a Technical Trainer guy that hadn't the soccer resume to earn $55,000. About 11 staff at OYSA instead of the 6 that ran all of the much larger SoCal's office, (with better results). Wasted money is how I feel OYSA did in Oregon youth soccer. Let alone the sheer incompetence. I rather put more money into DOC"s hands and get better DOCs than have the absolute disgusting performance of the previous OYSA group. And, the OYSA staff had exceptionally limited knowledge of the game of soccer.

Looking forward. My statement was not connected to OYSA or OPL, frankly they both have problems.

Putting a model of a solution forward rather than just complaining, it would be my preference that money that went into a state organization would be re-invested into soccer, rather than being paid as profit.

Sorry the premise I was responding to was the idea of creating the solution instead of just complaining back and forth.

No, I am not on crack...are you?

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Except that NWCL is a joke.

Agreed, anytime our top teams that are a wake up call to the OYSA go to NWCL and get stomped it should be a joke....

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Looking forward. My statement was not connected to OYSA or OPL, frankly they both have problems.

Putting a model of a solution forward rather than just complaining, it would be my preference that money that went into a state organization would be re-invested into soccer, rather than being paid as profit.

Sorry the premise I was responding to was the idea of creating the solution instead of just complaining back and forth.

No, I am not on crack...are you?

I for one agree that the state needs to get back together and play at a higher level... ie Region IV instead of nothing. There are still some very strong teams playing in the Region IV championship .. primarily all strong teams that are not ECNL. Absent ECNL or participation in the Academy on the boys side it is a very good path. We should not be so short sighted.

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So to Digest this...

My starting point, all clubs and teams need to be in one organization. That organization is responsible for competition within the borders of Oregon and a national championship path. Their oversight ends there. If a club wants to affiliate teams to any of the regional leagues that is up to them to gain entry, the state organization will do its part to help.

There should be two state championship paths, one for teams who wish to continue to regionals, and one for teams who do not want to travel. If you enter the regional focused tournament you are committing to travel if you win.

I would add that the administrating organization should be a non-profit focused on the growth improvement of Soccer in Oregon. Program fees charged will be re-invested to help member clubs provide better services, help make soccer more affordable, and help make ongoing improvements in the Oregon Soccer world (language not perfect, but the intent is there)

I for one agree that the state needs to get back together and play at a higher level... ie Region IV instead of nothing. There are still some very strong teams playing in the Region IV championship .. primarily all strong teams that are not ECNL. Absent ECNL or participation in the Academy on the boys side it is a very good path. We should not be so short sighted.

My apologies if I changed the context of anything inadvertently, I was just trying to get all the ideas into more or less a paragraph that people can read and continue to respond to. These are excerpts taken over the last couple of pages, anonymous board, so I can't really credit where any of them came from, but keep the ideas flowing.

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My apologies if I changed the context of anything inadvertently, I was just trying to get all the ideas into more or less a paragraph that people can read and continue to respond to. These are excerpts taken over the last couple of pages, anonymous board, so I can't really credit where any of them came from, but keep the ideas flowing.

Your middle statement will NEVER be met with a warm welcome. These clubs (albeit not for profit) are there for one reason, to support the staffs salaries and expenses. They will never bow to the idea to help "all the clubs" in the state at the expense of their success financially.

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Your middle statement will NEVER be met with a warm welcome. These clubs (albeit not for profit) are there for one reason, to support the staffs salaries and expenses. They will never bow to the idea to help "all the clubs" in the state at the expense of their success financially.

The middle statement was related to the organization administering the leagues etc... the idea isn't to change anything with the clubs, only to have it adminstered in a better way

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Sayonara OPL

The fat lady is singing. The sun is going down. OPL is toast. OPL's days are numbered. Greed got in the way, they became another bloated organization that cared only about themselves. Conflict of interest all over or the appearance of conflict of interest. It is over. Another great day for soccer in Oregon.

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The fat lady is singing. The sun is going down. OPL is toast. OPL's days are numbered. Greed got in the way, they became another bloated organization that cared only about themselves. Conflict of interest all over or the appearance of conflict of interest. It is over. Another great day for soccer in Oregon.

can anyone interpret this incoherent rant? smoke or fire? jibberish or foretelling the future of soccer politics in little beirut?

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patience

can anyone interpret this incoherent rant? smoke or fire? jibberish or foretelling the future of soccer politics in little beirut?

give it a few days... the future is changing and opl will either confirm or go out of existence.

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give it a few days... the future is changing and opl will either confirm or go out of existence.

confirm to what? your ordered view of the universe?

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can anyone interpret this incoherent rant? smoke or fire? jibberish or foretelling the future of soccer politics in little beirut?

If the Timbers gain control (management) of OYSA, convince PYSA (and all it's clubs) to return to OYSA, convince most of the larger non-opl clubs, smaller select type competitive clubs in the state to remain with or return to OYSA, the OYSA leagues will be the latest flavor with a real national championship structure.

If the remaining OPL clubs dont follow..... FC, OSSA, THUSC, PCU, OSA, LO & SSC will just be playing themselves in a league (as it is now) that goes no where, amounts to nothing and will most likely implode rather quickly if at least 2 of the above mentioned depart leaving some with egg on their face to the customers (parents and players alike).

Ive said since they day they departed, this group of men are made up of some of the most egotistical greedy SOB's that walk our lands. All it was going to take was for one of them (kinda always knew it would be GW) to organize quickly and either over throw the rest or depart and fracture it even more, forcing the group to choose sides and undermine the rest.

Now if GW/OYSA will allow all the Vantucky-ites to play in and compete for the Oregon titles, we will truly have a state title worth competing for and moving on to regionals with respect and power that they are the best the state and all it's participating members have to offer. Just change the name of our brutha's North of the border to Northside Timbers and open up a PO Box in Janzten Beach with an Oregon mailing address.

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Ive said since they day they departed, this group of men are made up of some of the most egotistical greedy SOB's that walk our lands. All it was going to take was for one of them (kinda always knew it would be GW) to organize quickly and either over throw the rest or depart and fracture it even more, forcing the group to choose sides and undermine the rest.


GW, TA, JB, FM, JR, CK, MS (probably missing a few) have been calling the shots for years in premier soccer, especially if you count ODP. GW and CK are the biggest nightmares and guess who will run the new competitive future program for us. And we can look forward to even more Vancouver nonsense on this Oregon soccer forum when they join our state cup. Funny and tragic.