Tualatin Hills Fields

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I love this comment:

""They have been denying us and the other clubs for eight years -" So, you haven't found a solution to your problem in eight years? Where have these rec kids and Aloha teams, well actually those are the same things, been practicing for 8 years?

The issue isn't field access. It's that the Tualitan Hills area has too few fields. Don't put a new club in an area that doesn't have enough fields, or it you do, be sure to have a solution for that issue before you start your club. Get the city to build some more fields. Aloha is like the 21st passenger on a 20 passenger bus and is complaining that one of the other riders should have to get off so they can get on. Sorry, that just transfers the problem, it doesn't solve it. You need another bus.

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I love this comment:

""They have been denying us and the other clubs for eight years -" So, you haven't found a solution to your problem in eight years? Where have these rec kids and Aloha teams, well actually those are the same things, been practicing for 8 years?

The issue isn't field access. It's that the Tualitan Hills area has too few fields. Don't put a new club in an area that doesn't have enough fields, or it you do, be sure to have a solution for that issue before you start your club. Get the city to build some more fields. Aloha is like the 21st passenger on a 20 passenger bus and is complaining that one of the other riders should have to get off so they can get on. Sorry, that just transfers the problem, it doesn't solve it. You need another bus.

Judging from all the comments on here, perhaps it would make sense to call in the short buses

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I love this comment:

""They have been denying us and the other clubs for eight years -" So, you haven't found a solution to your problem in eight years? Where have these rec kids and Aloha teams, well actually those are the same things, been practicing for 8 years?

The issue isn't field access. It's that the Tualitan Hills area has too few fields. Don't put a new club in an area that doesn't have enough fields, or it you do, be sure to have a solution for that issue before you start your club. Get the city to build some more fields. Aloha is like the 21st passenger on a 20 passenger bus and is complaining that one of the other riders should have to get off so they can get on. Sorry, that just transfers the problem, it doesn't solve it. You need another bus.

Yes, Paul Blackmore is just complaining that he doesn't have a seat. He wouldn't care if he had a seat and someone else didn't. He doesn't want to address the real problem, no he just wants to complain that he isn't getting what he wants. The slant of the story should have been that there are too few fields. No, he just complained that he doesn't have access to the fields. If Aloha built their own fields, then he could allocate time on them as he sees fit and no one else would get to use them.

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This is a conflict of interest. Even if it wasn't access should be provided to all clubs in the area with players that pay taxes. There is a logical fallacy being used in this thread: more clubs is the problem, there aren't enough field time to accommodate all clubs. The fallacy is that the number of clubs does not change the number of players. Whether 1000 players is divided between 2 or 4 clubs does not change the fact that there are 1000 players.

What is the argument against allowing all 1000 tax-paying players in the district equal access to a facility that is paid maintained by their tax dollars? The argument for efficiency is also a Red Herring. If efficiency is the goal, the wouldn't it be easier to just have a single club rather than two?

The issue is really a simple one. Make the publicly funded facility equally available to everyone who funds it. If you can't do that, make it a private facility. Realloy this kind of thing is an inexcusable abuse of public facilities.

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Regulated Access

This is a conflict of interest. Even if it wasn't access should be provided to all clubs in the area with players that pay taxes. There is a logical fallacy being used in this thread: more clubs is the problem, there aren't enough field time to accommodate all clubs. The fallacy is that the number of clubs does not change the number of players. Whether 1000 players is divided between 2 or 4 clubs does not change the fact that there are 1000 players.

What is the argument against allowing all 1000 tax-paying players in the district equal access to a facility that is paid maintained by their tax dollars? The argument for efficiency is also a Red Herring. If efficiency is the goal, the wouldn't it be easier to just have a single club rather than two?

The issue is really a simple one. Make the publicly funded facility equally available to everyone who funds it. If you can't do that, make it a private facility. Realloy this kind of thing is an inexcusable abuse of public facilities.

THPRD has a policy that provides equal and open access to all of the children of the district to the Rec center fields. The problem as seen by ASC is that they have chosen to regulate that access by restricting the number of CLUBS not players. The crux of the issue is that a the THPRD board has rightly decided that slicing the pie between unlimited numbers of clubs would actually REDUCE field usage as clubs would be less likely to put 4-6 teams of the turf fields at a time like WST & THUSC.

The solution is rather simple and in the best interest of the players. Aloha should NOT have a premier program and their coaches and players should join one of the tow sanctioned clubs to gain access. PDX too small of a market to have top quality coaching and team membership in more than 6 clubs. Players would benefit immensely from having deeper rosters to play with and practice against. Clubs would benefit from the concentration of the best coaching at each age level and sex.

There is nothing to be gained for the players or the reputation of the state by further diluting premier soccer. The ONLY thing standing in the way of consolidation are egos of those who think they have the best approach. One only has to look at the success of OSSA to understand what can be achieved with thoughtful and logical consolidation. You listening BSC, THUSC & FC. Now that would be a power house program and would compete with the best clubs on the west coast and would provide a viable boys alternative to the Timbers DA program.

Oh and the field access issue would be solved at the same time....

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Wasn't Aloha told when they formed a club they would not get any fields and they should funnel kids into current programs? So they go outside the system and now complain that they are not included?

Yes, the complain because they went outside of the system. Too many clubs along with too few facilities, that is the problem. Paul Blackmore created his own problem and now is jumping up and down and claiming that politics are the problem. No Paul, your club is the problem. It shouldn't have been formed in the first place or you should have formed it somewhere else.

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THPRD has a policy that provides equal and open access to all of the children of the district to the Rec center fields. The problem as seen by ASC is that they have chosen to regulate that access by restricting the number of CLUBS not players. The crux of the issue is that a the THPRD board has rightly decided that slicing the pie between unlimited numbers of clubs would actually REDUCE field usage as clubs would be less likely to put 4-6 teams of the turf fields at a time like WST & THUSC.

The solution is rather simple and in the best interest of the players. Aloha should NOT have a premier program and their coaches and players should join one of the tow sanctioned clubs to gain access. PDX too small of a market to have top quality coaching and team membership in more than 6 clubs. Players would benefit immensely from having deeper rosters to play with and practice against. Clubs would benefit from the concentration of the best coaching at each age level and sex.

There is nothing to be gained for the players or the reputation of the state by further diluting premier soccer. The ONLY thing standing in the way of consolidation are egos of those who think they have the best approach. One only has to look at the success of OSSA to understand what can be achieved with thoughtful and logical consolidation. You listening BSC, THUSC & FC. Now that would be a power house program and would compete with the best clubs on the west coast and would provide a viable boys alternative to the Timbers DA program.

Oh and the field access issue would be solved at the same time....

Well said.

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Yes, the complain because they went outside of the system. Too many clubs along with too few facilities, that is the problem. Paul Blackmore created his own problem and now is jumping up and down and claiming that politics are the problem. No Paul, your club is the problem. It shouldn't have been formed in the first place or you should have formed it somewhere else.

Aloha has been around for ever. They are not a new club.

What's new over the past couple of years is WST and THPRD trying to shove their agenda down everybody's throats.

WST's egos and greed are the primary problems.

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Aloha needs to be merged or just disappear. Do they even have any premier level teams?

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THPRD has a policy that provides equal and open access to all of the children of the district to the Rec center fields. The problem as seen by ASC is that they have chosen to regulate that access by restricting the number of CLUBS not players. The crux of the issue is that a the THPRD board has rightly decided that slicing the pie between unlimited numbers of clubs would actually REDUCE field usage as clubs would be less likely to put 4-6 teams of the turf fields at a time like WST & THUSC.

The solution is rather simple and in the best interest of the players. Aloha should NOT have a premier program and their coaches and players should join one of the tow sanctioned clubs to gain access. PDX too small of a market to have top quality coaching and team membership in more than 6 clubs. Players would benefit immensely from having deeper rosters to play with and practice against. Clubs would benefit from the concentration of the best coaching at each age level and sex.

There is nothing to be gained for the players or the reputation of the state by further diluting premier soccer. The ONLY thing standing in the way of consolidation are egos of those who think they have the best approach. One only has to look at the success of OSSA to understand what can be achieved with thoughtful and logical consolidation. You listening BSC, THUSC & FC. Now that would be a power house program and would compete with the best clubs on the west coast and would provide a viable boys alternative to the Timbers DA program.

Oh and the field access issue would be solved at the same time....

So it all becomes clear. This issue at its heart has little to do with field access. Clearly at issue are the WS's expanionist tactics. I can see the other clubs feeling that they have a right to exist, while WS holds the carrot that the only way to fields is through them.

If WS wants to expand that is a choice of their board, however they should not be allowed to use a public entity as a tool. Expansion should come from them offering superior product. If they dont offer superior product, it is their existence that should be questioned.

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Simple Math

What all of the ASC supporters are missing is the fact that WST has only two votes on the THPRD Board. If you think your argument has merit then you have two choices, get the THPRD Board to change their rules or get a lawyer otherwise stop whining like a 6 year old when told they aren't allowed to eat ice cream with every meal!

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So it all becomes clear. This issue at its heart has little to do with field access. Clearly at issue are the WS's expanionist tactics. I can see the other clubs feeling that they have a right to exist, while WS holds the carrot that the only way to fields is through them.

If WS wants to expand that is a choice of their board, however they should not be allowed to use a public entity as a tool. Expansion should come from them offering superior product. If they dont offer superior product, it is their existence that should be questioned.

This is just silly. The aloha club has no reason to complain about the current situation as clubs have no right to field access. Individuals that pay taxes to support the facilities are provided with an avenue to use the fields. If you want to play competitive soccer at the facilities you have the choice of two successful clubs. Both of these clubs have a track record of fielding as many teams as there is interest. I understand it may hurt you financially that your club does not have access but your club doesn't have a "right" to access.

I do want to thank you personally for all the entertainment you have brought to my life with your posts. Thanks!

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This is just silly. The aloha club has no reason to complain about the current situation as clubs have no right to field access. Individuals that pay taxes to support the facilities are provided with an avenue to use the fields. If you want to play competitive soccer at the facilities you have the choice of two successful clubs. Both of these clubs have a track record of fielding as many teams as there is interest. I understand it may hurt you financially that your club does not have access but your club doesn't have a "right" to access.

I do want to thank you personally for all the entertainment you have brought to my life with your posts. Thanks!

You do know that you can speak with him directly if you want to. Just call the Aloha main office and ask to speak with Paul Blackmore. He is the one who has been doing all of this posting. The sad thing is that he got KATU to buy into his pity story without looking into the real issue. You are correct, if the tax payers of the area want their kids to play on those fields, they should join one of the clubs that has access to those fields. The funny thing is, we are taxpayers of one community in this region, however our kids play on clubs in two different communities, neither of which we pay taxes in. I guess that makes me a bad person since I am using someone else's tax dollars. I think I drive on their roads too, oh man, I am a really bad person. I may have even used one of their parks at one point or another. Oh, for shame.

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Personalize the issue with Paul all you want. That does not change the fact that WST has been bullying local clubs, trying to control field access.

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Personalize the issue with Paul all you want. That does not change the fact that WST has been bullying local clubs, trying to control field access.

I guess you have a choice. You can either send your kid to WST or THUSC if you want to play on those fields. Otherwise, you have a number of other choices in surrounding areas that are a comfortable 10-15 minute drive away, possibly less.