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    Tualatin Hills Fields

    FYI - On KATU last night:

    Coaches and parents say a soccer club with ties to the Timbers and to a district board member controls the soccer fields.

    They say that leaves their kids on the sidelines even as the park district collects their taxes to pay for those fields.

    The Westside Timbers recently practiced for the upcoming tournament season on one of Tualatin Hills Park District's synthetic turf fields – a brand new field at the MLS Timber’s exclusive practice facility.

    The club, formally known as Westside Metros, was founded by Beaverton Mayor Denny Doyle who collected a paycheck of $45,890 from Westside even while he was in the mayor's office.

    Bill Kanable is on the Tualatin Hills Parks Board and helps schedule who gets to play on the district's fields.

    He's also the field coordinator for the teams in the Westside soccer clubs, which is something that doesn't sit well with other soccer clubs in the district.

    "These are huge conflicts of interest that anyone can see," said Paul Blackmore, president of Aloha United Soccer, which is another club in the district. "So we have a privileged few who are politically connected getting all of the access to the field. Meanwhile, the rest of us are told to go away."

    He says thousands of kids from Tualatin Hills are denied field time while a few hundred youth soccer players from Kanable's teams and one other club get unfettered access.

    "They are heartless. They don't give a damn," Blackmore said. "They have been denying us and the other clubs for eight years - essentially lying to us."

    The dispute is over Tualatin Hills seven synthetic turf fields. When it rains hard, as it often does eight months out of the year, the park district's general manager, Doug Menke, says the natural grass fields are closed to limit damage. That leaves only the synthetic fields open.

    "It's almost a management tool by which you go about protecting the resource for all the public," Menke said. "We don't have enough synthetic surface fields to supply the 7,000 recreational kids.”

    Laura Bourn says the only teams being protected are the Westside Timbers and another youth soccer program named Tualatin Hills United Soccer Club.

    "It seems very biased," she said.

    Despite living in the district, her child, who plays youth soccer, is often left without a field to play on.

    Through decade-long contracts, Westside and Tualatin Hills United locked up the rights to use or designate the "soccer-playing" time on synthetic fields. They pay $7 per hour for the fields, which is the same rate other teams pay on the rare occasions they get to play on the synthetic turf.

    The district says they can’t void the contracts because they are binding contracts. Menke says the district's attorney assures him there is no conflict of interest.

    "I'm comfortable that we are managing the public's resource as efficiently as we can," he said.

    He admits the synthetic fields get almost four times as much playing time as the natural grass because they drain well and are playable during heavy rains. But that leaves thousands of young soccer players watching from the sidelines while the region's premiere competitive youth teams play on.

    Parents and coaches want the district to re-evaluate the issue and provide equal playing time to every soccer club and not just those with ties to people in power.

    "It's called sharing, and especially when it's tax paid money," said Blackmore. "Not one club gets 85 percent of the fields, the other club gets 15 and the rest of you are told to go find your own way."

    Bourn said, "It should be providing a good chance for everybody in the district to play, and there's tons of kids out there who want to play soccer."

    Menke says three new fields should be ready to play on soon, and he says the district is also re-evaluating how field time is divided up. But he admits the pressures for field time will likely continue to grow as soccer grows.

    #2
    I saw this last night and it annoyed me. So rec parents feel they deserve the same amount of field time on turf as competitive? Because little Tom or Susie plays two months out of the year everyone else should stand to the side - i.e. all the kids that play year round and continually work to improve?

    Wasn't Aloha told when they formed a club they would not get any fields and they should funnel kids into current programs? So they go outside the system and now complain that they are not included?

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      #3
      What annoys me is that they plead poor because of all the scholarships they hand out yet they paid Mayor Doyle $50k one year. How much more have they paid him and others?

      Do you really think its fair that the new soccer fields just happen to be built in Westsides back yard? Seems clear to me that the mayor and Bill Knable tricked the THPRD board into building it in their service area so they could once again benefit the most.

      Where are the other 3 fields going to be built? Better not be in Westside's area.

      This is the stuff that annoys me.

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        #4
        Really Old News!

        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        FYI - On KATU last night:

        Coaches and parents say a soccer club with ties to the Timbers and to a district board member controls the soccer fields.

        They say that leaves their kids on the sidelines even as the park district collects their taxes to pay for those fields.

        The Westside Timbers recently practiced for the upcoming tournament season on one of Tualatin Hills Park District's synthetic turf fields – a brand new field at the MLS Timber’s exclusive practice facility.

        The club, formally known as Westside Metros, was founded by Beaverton Mayor Denny Doyle who collected a paycheck of $45,890 from Westside even while he was in the mayor's office.

        Bill Kanable is on the Tualatin Hills Parks Board and helps schedule who gets to play on the district's fields.

        He's also the field coordinator for the teams in the Westside soccer clubs, which is something that doesn't sit well with other soccer clubs in the district.

        "These are huge conflicts of interest that anyone can see," said Paul Blackmore, president of Aloha United Soccer, which is another club in the district. "So we have a privileged few who are politically connected getting all of the access to the field. Meanwhile, the rest of us are told to go away."

        He says thousands of kids from Tualatin Hills are denied field time while a few hundred youth soccer players from Kanable's teams and one other club get unfettered access.

        "They are heartless. They don't give a damn," Blackmore said. "They have been denying us and the other clubs for eight years - essentially lying to us."

        The dispute is over Tualatin Hills seven synthetic turf fields. When it rains hard, as it often does eight months out of the year, the park district's general manager, Doug Menke, says the natural grass fields are closed to limit damage. That leaves only the synthetic fields open.

        "It's almost a management tool by which you go about protecting the resource for all the public," Menke said. "We don't have enough synthetic surface fields to supply the 7,000 recreational kids.”

        Laura Bourn says the only teams being protected are the Westside Timbers and another youth soccer program named Tualatin Hills United Soccer Club.

        "It seems very biased," she said.

        Despite living in the district, her child, who plays youth soccer, is often left without a field to play on.

        Through decade-long contracts, Westside and Tualatin Hills United locked up the rights to use or designate the "soccer-playing" time on synthetic fields. They pay $7 per hour for the fields, which is the same rate other teams pay on the rare occasions they get to play on the synthetic turf.

        The district says they can’t void the contracts because they are binding contracts. Menke says the district's attorney assures him there is no conflict of interest.

        "I'm comfortable that we are managing the public's resource as efficiently as we can," he said.

        He admits the synthetic fields get almost four times as much playing time as the natural grass because they drain well and are playable during heavy rains. But that leaves thousands of young soccer players watching from the sidelines while the region's premiere competitive youth teams play on.

        Parents and coaches want the district to re-evaluate the issue and provide equal playing time to every soccer club and not just those with ties to people in power.

        "It's called sharing, and especially when it's tax paid money," said Blackmore. "Not one club gets 85 percent of the fields, the other club gets 15 and the rest of you are told to go find your own way."

        Bourn said, "It should be providing a good chance for everybody in the district to play, and there's tons of kids out there who want to play soccer."

        Menke says three new fields should be ready to play on soon, and he says the district is also re-evaluating how field time is divided up. But he admits the pressures for field time will likely continue to grow as soccer grows.

        This has already been hashed out relentlessly(see older subjects) on these boards.

        Watch, this thread will soon be taken over by a medicated a**hole who will tirelessly bring up Bill Kanable and Denny Doyle. These guy(or whatever it is) hates the Timbers too and will bring them into it as well.

        Once and for all, find a friend, and get a life.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          I saw this last night and it annoyed me. So rec parents feel they deserve the same amount of field time on turf as competitive? Because little Tom or Susie plays two months out of the year everyone else should stand to the side - i.e. all the kids that play year round and continually work to improve?

          Wasn't Aloha told when they formed a club they would not get any fields and they should funnel kids into current programs? So they go outside the system and now complain that they are not included?
          I appreciate your comments and I agree with the Aloha point, but in regards to the THUSC Westside, I believe you are missing the point, it is clearly a conflict of interest and this is coming from a premier parent (sorry, parent of a premier soccer player I am probably far from a "premier" parent but is another thread that I am sure will somehow involve FCSC).

          The other point is that litt'e Tom's parents also pay taxes towards these fields and their administration and they aren't reaping the rewards. Similar to this...if there was a new road but it was only allowed to be driven on by expensive cars when it was the only road in town would that be right? I don't think so and that is for our convenience, try convincing a young girl that she can't play on a field because she is "only" playing rec soccer.

          If the answer needs to be more fields, then let's work towards that solution but it has to be administered by a neutral person, not someone with a vested interest in his/her club/team. And for all of us that think or daughter's are going to be very good at soccer, let us remind ourselves that those 'rec' players are the ones that, if they don't make it, but they continue to play soccer and follow it, will be rooting for our national team, our universities and, maybe even your son/daughter. Heck, their children might be lining-up waiting for your DD or DS autograph.

          Bottom line, there is a problem here that has to be addressed. My opinion, take that $50k and get rid of the horrible turf goal areas on the grass fields at the rec center...

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I appreciate your comments and I agree with the Aloha point, but in regards to the THUSC Westside, I believe you are missing the point, it is clearly a conflict of interest and this is coming from a premier parent (sorry, parent of a premier soccer player I am probably far from a "premier" parent but is another thread that I am sure will somehow involve FCSC).
            --> Agreed on the "conflict of interest" but the people have a vote for mayor - they should use it if they don't like whats going on.

            The other point is that litt'e Tom's parents also pay taxes towards these fields and their administration and they aren't reaping the rewards. Similar to this...if there was a new road but it was only allowed to be driven on by expensive cars when it was the only road in town would that be right? I don't think so and that is for our convenience, try convincing a young girl that she can't play on a field because she is "only" playing rec soccer.
            --> I have. You pay more in club fees you SHOULD get more for your money. I expect more for my money.

            If the answer needs to be more fields, then let's work towards that solution but it has to be administered by a neutral person, not someone with a vested interest in his/her club/team. And for all of us that think or daughter's are going to be very good at soccer, let us remind ourselves that those 'rec' players are the ones that, if they don't make it, but they continue to play soccer and follow it, will be rooting for our national team, our universities and, maybe even your son/daughter. Heck, their children might be lining-up waiting for your DD or DS autograph.
            -->I can't believe they only pay $7 an hour for field space. We're getting SHAFTED by our city.

            Bottom line, there is a problem here that has to be addressed. My opinion, take that $50k and get rid of the horrible turf goal areas on the grass fields at the rec center...
            -->Agreed - But thusc should be the one complaining 85% to 15%? Aloha should take a walk.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              This has already been hashed out relentlessly(see older subjects) on these boards.

              Watch, this thread will soon be taken over by a medicated a**hole who will tirelessly bring up Bill Kanable and Denny Doyle. These guy(or whatever it is) hates the Timbers too and will bring them into it as well.

              Once and for all, find a friend, and get a life.
              And KATU needs to "get a life" also and has some ax to grind with Doyle. You're simply too dense, or blinded by loyalty, to see the clear impropriety of the actions.

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                #8
                I think that parents need to step back and look at this clearly. There is an obvious conflict of interest. That can't be argued. I have no ax to grind. I am surprised that The Timbers organization has not taken this unethical behavior into account when choosing a team to be affiliated with.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  This has already been hashed out relentlessly(see older subjects) on these boards.

                  Watch, this thread will soon be taken over by a medicated a**hole who will tirelessly bring up Bill Kanable and Denny Doyle. These guy(or whatever it is) hates the Timbers too and will bring them into it as well.

                  Once and for all, find a friend, and get a life.
                  This is easy for you to say...to get a life. Your son has a field to play on. This person just wants to be treated equally. If your son switches to a different club that doesn't have the access that he has now then you would be singing a different tune.

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                    #10
                    Must have been a slow news night in Portland last night.

                    Portlandia needs to sketch on Portland news.

                    "Our top story: The opening of the new bike trial is going to be delayed due to construction delays. Angry citizens are voicing their displeasure over the one week delay. They say the 2,000 current bike trails in Portland don't meet their needs and shouldn't have to wait to be able to use this new one." "Oh wait, I've just been handed a bulletin, we interrput this story to bring you an important story that impacts rec soccer players residing in and around Tualitin Hills..."

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                      #11
                      Here, I'll explain it in a neutral way. You can lease facilities to a club that uses them year round or to a club that wants them for a couple of months. Umm. Do you you lease to your big customer or the small one? And please give the tax thing a rest. It's boring. It's a public facility and everybody pays taxes the support things that other people use. Think about that next time you're in a city of Portland park taking space that someone who lives in Portland and pays taxes wants to use. If they asked you to move you'd say no and you'd be right to say no.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I saw this last night and it annoyed me. So rec parents feel they deserve the same amount of field time on turf as competitive? Because little Tom or Susie plays two months out of the year everyone else should stand to the side - i.e. all the kids that play year round and continually work to improve?

                        Wasn't Aloha told when they formed a club they would not get any fields and they should funnel kids into current programs? So they go outside the system and now complain that they are not included?
                        Actually, some rec play fall and spring, sometimes more for summer tournaments etc, but can't commit to classic for various reasons. Would be great if all of the adults could work together and figure out a better way. The voters did elect Bill and Denny, but they need to remember who they are representing and I think this is something to check into. We have done rec and classic in TH and see both sides. Would really like all of the THJSL to work together for the kids!

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                          #13
                          While I think WST has a huge conflict of interest going on and they should be called out on it I don't agree with the rec players complaining about fields. Rec runs in the Fall and Spring. Typically in the Fall and in the Spring my own kid is playing on grass fields and she plays for a competitive club. We don't get to be on turf until late November typically. When she played rec we always had plenty of fields and it was never an issue. Sounds more like the rec parents just want to use the nice turf fields for their own egos.

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                            #14
                            "He says thousands of kids from Tualatin Hills are denied field time while a few hundred youth soccer players from Kanable's teams and one other club get unfettered access."

                            They can't practice on the weekend? What about 3:30 -5:30 in the afternoon? Are the fields taken then? Friday night? Sorry but a contract is a contract.

                            And Paul Blackmore? You sound like a whiny little bitch. You are told not to form a club, but you do. You are told you won't get field access, which you don't. And now you complain. Why don't you move your joke of a club to a different location in the city where you can have access to fields. There are plenty of roads, your parents can easilty get there.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Here, I'll explain it in a neutral way. You can lease facilities to a club that uses them year round or to a club that wants them for a couple of months. Umm. Do you you lease to your big customer or the small one? And please give the tax thing a rest. It's boring. It's a public facility and everybody pays taxes the support things that other people use. Think about that next time you're in a city of Portland park taking space that someone who lives in Portland and pays taxes wants to use. If they asked you to move you'd say no and you'd be right to say no.

                              Actually Aloha soccer had (not sure about now) the largest soccer program in TH and has rec, development and classic programs. I am not involved now but I am pretty sure they would lease for the year given a choice.

                              What some don't seem to understand is that kids start playing soccer in micros (k/1st grade) like their teams and want to continue on together. What THJSL really needs is a better way to work together and transition Aloha and other rec clubs to the "classic" program. I don't know that this is the best way to go about change, but they do have a point. Those involved in THJSL understand.

                              Rec and classic parent again

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