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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Some parents - me included - are quite happy at the final whistle, even with some losses. I think it's a matter of perspective and priorities. Winning Spring League matches wasn't a huge objective for all teams. That said, I believe most U-12G teams and their parents would be pretty excited to draw with Onyx, regardless of the circumstances.
    Really? I am actually shocked by that comment. I would be happy with a draw if it was an even match up but according to the other poster it was Onyx dominating and just missing shots. That's more on Onyx then it is on FCSC. My daughter would not be happy tieing a team if it was lopsided.

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      I'm an Onyx parent and I agree that the game was very one-sided and yes, that goal did go in, everyone saw it but the ref but he's the one that matters. I see the tie as a great thing. Onyx hasn't really been challenged in Oregon yet and this was a great eye opener and it came at the perfect time. Sometimes teams need a reminder that not everything will be easy and they need to work hard from the beginning whistle.

      Great job to Nemesis for playing such a hard game. They never gave up and came on strong right from the first whistle.

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        Yes, really

        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Really? I am actually shocked by that comment. I would be happy with a draw if it was an even match up but according to the other poster it was Onyx dominating and just missing shots. That's more on Onyx then it is on FCSC. My daughter would not be happy tieing a team if it was lopsided.
        Sorry, I didn't mean to shock anyone. Perhaps I'm over-emphasizing development and sportsmanship with my daughter.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Sorry, I didn't mean to shock anyone. Perhaps I'm over-emphasizing development and sportsmanship with my daughter.
          One can still be a good sport while still not being happy with a tie because another team missed the shots.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            That said, I believe most U-12G teams and their parents would be pretty excited to draw with Onyx, regardless of the circumstances.
            I think this was the shocking part. I mean it's a U12 girls team not the Brasilian National team. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day. No one should be excited for a draw in a lop-sided game. You gotta aim higher than that.

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              It's Part of the Game

              There's nothing wrong with playing a defensive game or even playing for a "tie." You need to define what a win is for your team and the circumstance. Ppacking it in and trying for a breakaway goal may be all the one team had. It's actually something they can learn -- how to pack in on defense, how to keep their defensive shape etc. and create a breakaway. Playing an open game wouldn't help anyone. The inferior team gets hammered no matter how high they aim. The better team will likely face teams that pack it in in the future so they can learn how to deal with it.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                There's nothing wrong with playing a defensive game or even playing for a "tie." You need to define what a win is for your team and the circumstance. Ppacking it in and trying for a breakaway goal may be all the one team had. It's actually something they can learn -- how to pack in on defense, how to keep their defensive shape etc. and create a breakaway. Playing an open game wouldn't help anyone. The inferior team gets hammered no matter how high they aim. The better team will likely face teams that pack it in in the future so they can learn how to deal with it.
                I totally agree. It is all part of "gamesmenship" and that is part of the game... If not for the players then for the coach.

                You are also on with this comment "define what a win is for your team." This is an excellent point. If a team loses by 5 goals in a game, maybe the goal is just to keep the score closer..OR maybe to win. You do not know.
                The bigger picture here is Onyx will need to find a way around strategies other teams adopt to win or tie them. This may take more sophisticated coaching. Who knows, but no matter how much they dominate it is clear that other teams are finding a way to keep the scores close.
                Developmentally the coach will need to teach and help these girls how to overcome obstacles and win no matter what is thrown at them.

                Of course the other piece of this is this was the game before state cup. I was not there, but there could have been an effort to get lots of girls play time.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I think this was the shocking part. I mean it's a U12 girls team not the Brasilian National team. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day. No one should be excited for a draw in a lop-sided game. You gotta aim higher than that.
                  One would think from the tone of this thread that it's unthinkable for Onyx to tie, God forbid lose a local game...

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    One would think from the tone of this thread that it's unthinkable for Onyx to tie, God forbid lose a local game...
                    I agree with you. My daughter plays for Onyx and I think anyone who thinks that Onyx is untouchable is just plain silly.

                    Nemesis did indeed pack the box in and it took Onyx a little while to adjust but they did and they got lots of quality shots off. Sometimes the ball just doesn't find the back of the net. (Although it did and the ref didn't count it) I give Nemesis credit for playing hard and never giving up and I look forward to next season when I expect a lot of close games as teams improve and players move around.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Of course the other piece of this is this was the game before state cup. I was not there, but there could have been an effort to get lots of girls play time.
                      That was definitely part of it. Onyx also had some players out due to illness and some strange line-ups. One of the starting defenders was playing forward! It was fun to watch.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        That was definitely part of it. Onyx also had some players out due to illness and some strange line-ups. One of the starting defenders was playing forward! It was fun to watch.
                        Oh no !!! Not a different formation ????

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Sorry, I didn't mean to shock anyone. Perhaps I'm over-emphasizing development and sportsmanship with my daughter.
                          I'm with you. I cheer after each game and the cheer is louder the harder the girls worked. And it sounds like the girls worked really hard in this game

                          I can see why Onyx parentsmight get a little annoyed with the cheering because everyone knows a tie was lucky. But look at it as a sign of respect to the opposing team and parents just appreciating the girls giving it everything they had and got a fortunate result.

                          Can't believe some here can't appreciate the effort given or don't think the effort should be applauded loudly because one team dominated. Cheering for effort is good thing!

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                            nemisis vs. onyx.

                            I too was at the onyx game yesterday, lets not for get that the nemisis had a few good chances at scoring as well. While I agree that onyx was the better team, I must admit that the nemisis put up a good fight. It is a fact that teams will pack the box against onyx, and they will have to learn to overcome their opponent if they are to advance as a team. That my friends is the coaches job. Sit back relax and enjoy they grow up fast.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              I too was at the onyx game yesterday, lets not for get that the nemisis had a few good chances at scoring as well. While I agree that onyx was the better team, I must admit that the nemisis put up a good fight. It is a fact that teams will pack the box against onyx, and they will have to learn to overcome their opponent if they are to advance as a team. That my friends is the coaches job. Sit back relax and enjoy they grow up fast.
                              Nemesis had one shot in the first half that I thought was going to go in. The Onyx keeper made a great save. They had no shots on goal in the second half. Onyx did score one but the center ref didn't see it and refused to look at his linesman. The linesman did call it a goal and even the Nemesis parents said it was in. But that's all part of the game. It's better to be on the safe side and put more than one in ;)

                              Great job to both teams for a hard fought match!

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                                This game is probably good for Onyx because they are going to see a lot more of this in the next couple of weekends. That is teams packing the box and playing for the tie, whether it is to play for the tie and get the point or play for the tie and go to PK's.

                                Good luck to all the U12G's

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