OCYS Consolidated Thread

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OCYS is building a stadium? Cool! Very exciting!

It was well known that renovating an existing stadium was an option for meeting the MLS requirement. I found articles going back as early as November 2011 that discuss this. Here is a quote from an interview with Phil Rawlins in the Seminole Chronicle, "The team, which currently plays at the Citrus Bowl, would have to sort out some stadium issues as the MLS requires teams to either play at a soccer-specific stadium or a newly-renovated stadium. The Citrus Bowl is neither, but Rawlins has hope for a new home for his team.

'I can see us playing in either [a newly-renovated Citrus Bowl or a soccer-specific stadium]," Rawlins said. "The city and the county has $185 million set aside for the refurbishment of the Citrus Bowl and we're in talks with them about that. As long as that money is used wisely and well, then I can see us playing in a refurbished Citrus Bowl.'"

The time for Mr. Edwards to ask these questions was before the new stadium was approved. If he is saying he didn't know a renovated stadium was an option, he failed to do his job. Does he just show up to the Commission meetings without doing any research on the issues he is voting on? If he is so oblivious to the facts on an issue like this, he doesn't deserve to be voting on them.

Since Edwards voted against he did do his job. He is now calling out other commissioners for not doing there job and investigating this deal better.

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As a DOC for a club it is within his right to have concerns and voice them. I find it more distasteful that his email was sent to folks he felt he had confidence in and wouldn't come on a forum to paste that information.

He shouldn't expect voicing the position of OCYS on this matter to remain secret? If OC was ashamed of their position and didn't want anyone to know about that tells me a lot more about OCYS.And even worse, why would OCYS speak on behalf of FCA when that CLEARLY was not the case. That's flat out untruthful. No surprise coming from OC however. Makes you wonder how many other emails OC has issued claiming support from other clubs that they never actually got.

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He shouldn't expect voicing the position of OCYS on this matter to remain secret? If OC was ashamed of their position and didn't want anyone to know about that tells me a lot more about OCYS.And even worse, why would OCYS speak on behalf of FCA when that CLEARLY was not the case. That's flat out untruthful. No surprise coming from OC however. Makes you wonder how many other emails OC has issued claiming support from other clubs that they never actually got.

Again we all claim various things in our lives and workplace. But we expect that those claims whether warranted or not will not be taken and published in a forum such as TS. That's where I see the problem. AH sent an email to someone (not the general public) whom he felt could (or should) be trusted. That person posted that e-mail on TS. That's wrong no matter how you feel about his concerns.

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Since Edwards voted against he did do his job. He is now calling out other commissioners for not doing there job and investigating this deal better.

He voted against it without having all of the facts. If the opponents of the stadium failed to ask if renovating the Citrus Bowl was a better option, they failed to do their job. His job isn't to vote for or against something based on his "gut" or on whether he wants or doesn't want something. He is supposed to vote based on what is best for the county. And he can't know what is best for the county if he fails to make even the slightest effort to get the facts. If he didn't ask these questions before the stadium was approved, he failed to do his job.

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Keep up your hate campaign. Also keep trying to make it look like you don't have a vendetta against FKK. It is so obvious that you do.

Kevin

I was just about to send you a reply from Orlando City having just meet with our leadership group. We are not in support of FKK joining the NPL for the following reasons.

1. The Orlando market can not support 3 NPL clubs. The geographical location of FKK would reduce both Orlando City and FC America's ability to field competitive teams that can compete in a state wide league.
The caliber of players required to play NPL is already diluted in a small market place that competes with USSDA and ECNL.

2. We have a full competitive calendar with the existing clubs and don't need additional games.

3. We would question the competitive level of the Boys program at FKK.

In closing the growth of soccer and the NPL league doesn't happen by diluting the player pool in a small geographical area that impacts its existing member clubs.

Thanks

Alan Hough | ECNL and Girls Senior Academy Director | Orlando City Youth Soccer

Why does OCYS want to restrict options for kids to play the game?

What AH and others a OCYS do not understand is that premier players consolidate around the best training and coaches. OCYS is trying to restrict options instead of elevating their coaching and training to attract more players.

OCYS is playing for a draw instead of trying to score and win.

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Really? Because OC sold Orlando as a big soccer market in order to get MLS to Garber. Now on the youth side they claim it isn't a big soccer market. They need to make up there mind.

You're rationalizing your fear of competition in a free market- just like Hough did. Look at it this way- if OCYS thinks there's already "too many" clubs in Orlando, why don't you do the right thing "for the kids" and shut down OCYS?

I can only assume both of these were written by the same person and probably young at that. I'll point out the obvious first. Having tons of youth talent and having lots of soccer fans are two different things.


Everyone in town has wanted what OC has started in Orlando since before any of us were involved. The complex, the very top boys and girls leagues and even affiliated with a men's professional team and hopefully soon a womens. If OC shut it's doors today soccer in Orlando would be set back 15 years and may never recover because who would trust this market again?

What's best for everyone is if all of the little players who want their own kingdom would either join in and make it better or move along but being needy causes people to be very short sided.

BTW ... I think the management of OC is complete @$$&&%*# but they are still the only ones who can make it work. Eventually it will.

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spin doctor
noun

: a person (such as a political aide) whose job involves trying to control the way something (such as an important event) is described to the public in order to influence what people think about it


Example is calling a stadium built solely for Orlando City Soccer a "soccer-centric multi-use facility."

Another example is the title of this thread.

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As a DOC for a club it is within his right to have concerns and voice them. I find it more distasteful that his email was sent to folks he felt he had confidence in and wouldn't come on a forum to paste that information.

Never put something in an email that you would not want circulated. I agree it is bad form, but AH is also very naïve that is competition would use this email to their advantage.

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Why would an email sent to the SE director end up public? Seems like someone is in bed with someone doesn't it? Professionalism certainly doesn't have anything to do with youth soccer does it?

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Again we all claim various things in our lives and workplace. But we expect that those claims whether warranted or not will not be taken and published in a forum such as TS. That's where I see the problem. AH sent an email to someone (not the general public) whom he felt could (or should) be trusted. That person posted that e-mail on TS. That's wrong no matter how you feel about his concerns.

Again he presented the official position of OCYS entity. What harm has been done if this is really the position of OC? If they felt their position would put them in a bad light in the youth soccer community maybe they should have re-thought their position. After all they just accepted a whole lot of $$$ from families of central florida thanks to Buddy and pals. Now many of those same families with soccer playing kids are learning that OC wants to limiit competition and force players to have to go to OCYS. Quite the eye opener. OC it's time to step up and do the right thing.

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Why would an email sent to the SE director end up public? Seems like someone is in bed with someone doesn't it? Professionalism certainly doesn't have anything to do with youth soccer does it?

OCYS was asked what their position was, just like all of the other members of FPL. OCYS shared their position. Did US club give ANY indication that this was top secret information and would be held under wraps? My guess is that OCYSs position is public info like all the other clubs that voiced an opinion. OC is just whining because their position looks really, really bad.
Too bad OC. You made your bed now ly in it.

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OCYS was asked what their position was, just like all of the other members of FPL. OCYS shared their position. Did US club give ANY indication that this was top secret information and would be held under wraps? My guess is that OCYSs position is public info like all the other clubs that voiced an opinion. OC is just whining because their position looks really, really bad.
Too bad OC. You made your bed now ly in it.

What was FKK's position on OCYS getting into CDL?

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What was FKK's position on OCYS getting into CDL?

It wasn't up to FKK. OCYS dropped the ball and didn't apply until after the deadline had passed. If OCYS are truly the soccer professionals why can't they simply follow the soccer league rules like everyone else? Nothing tricky or sinister about understanding simple processes. After all, they are the professionals right?

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He voted against it without having all of the facts. If the opponents of the stadium failed to ask if renovating the Citrus Bowl was a better option, they failed to do their job. His job isn't to vote for or against something based on his "gut" or on whether he wants or doesn't want something. He is supposed to vote based on what is best for the county. And he can't know what is best for the county if he fails to make even the slightest effort to get the facts. If he didn't ask these questions before the stadium was approved, he failed to do his job.

apparently, the ones who didn't bother to "get the facts" are Dyer, Jacobs and all the Commissioners who voted "yes". I can't understand why you want to focus on Edwards for not having facts- at least he didn't agree to spending $84mm without knowing them.

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This makes the top 10 for "stupidest comments" on this site. And that is saying something.

Maybe you just don't understand having your own flawed logic turned on you in an ironic way, so you claim it's "stupid" and stomp off into a corner like a 5th grader.