OCYS Consolidated Thread

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If "Children that qualify for these programs are underprivileged and will be unable to travel to a remote field away from school to play during the 5-7pm evening hours," then we must be talking about children that aren't currently participating in any of the clubs in the coalition. In order to be playing in these clubs, these kids would have to be traveling to remote fields during the 5-7 pm evening hours. How is providing free soccer to kids who aren't currently participating in soccer a threat to these clubs? If these kids aren't able to afford soccer and can't travel to a remote field when they are 5-9 years old, they won't be able to do so when they are 10 either. So they aren't taking any of their existing players, and they aren't taking any of their future players. And they aren't taking any of their existing fields, in spite of what everyone on TS claims. Orlando City received tax money, and in return, they are providing free soccer to kids who otherwise wouldn't be able to play.

What am I missing? How exactly does this program threaten the clubs in the coalition? What is preventing these clubs from offering a similar program on their own? Can't they work out a deal with the schools in their area, provide some volunteer coaches and run a program on their own? They have been around for 40 years, why aren't they already doing this?

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How far will fkk take this crap. OC does a great job without the dead weight of last year. My kids get good training, little drama and good leagues. Stop preaching that the better training is else where. I know that I am personally tired of this constant back and forth bitching. When are we ist going to start talking about my team is better than your team crap instead of constant baby talk about mine is bigger than yours.

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Funny. How does one viilianize another for offering free soccer to underprivileged kids and say those kids are better off not playing or paying to play in their clubs?

OCYS isn't all that but you guys are not only greedy egomaniacs but idiots. What's sad is FKK has brought others down to their level. You shoud be so proud.

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If "Children that qualify for these programs are underprivileged and will be unable to travel to a remote field away from school to play during the 5-7pm evening hours," then we must be talking about children that aren't currently participating in any of the clubs in the coalition. In order to be playing in these clubs, these kids would have to be traveling to remote fields during the 5-7 pm evening hours. How is providing free soccer to kids who aren't currently participating in soccer a threat to these clubs? If these kids aren't able to afford soccer and can't travel to a remote field when they are 5-9 years old, they won't be able to do so when they are 10 either. So they aren't taking any of their existing players, and they aren't taking any of their future players. And they aren't taking any of their existing fields, in spite of what everyone on TS claims. Orlando City received tax money, and in return, they are providing free soccer to kids who otherwise wouldn't be able to play.

What am I missing? How exactly does this program threaten the clubs in the coalition? What is preventing these clubs from offering a similar program on their own? Can't they
work out a deal with the schools in their area, provide some volunteer coaches and run a program on their own? They have been around for 40 years, why aren't they already doing this?

What you are missing is the proposal. When you see it you will understand it is not only to help underprivileged kids but to get priority to new and existing fields. The goal is for there to be one mega-club in central Florida. With mega club status comes money through sponsorships, and political clout through numbers along with many more benefits.

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How is providing free soccer to kids who aren't currently participating in soccer a threat to these clubs? If these kids aren't able to afford soccer and can't travel to a remote field when they are 5-9 years old, they won't be able to do so when they are 10 either. So they aren't taking any of their existing players, and they aren't taking any of their future players. And they aren't taking any of their existing fields, in spite of what everyone on TS claims. Orlando City received tax money, and in return, they are providing free soccer to kids who otherwise wouldn't be able to play.

What am I missing? How exactly does this program threaten the clubs in the coalition? What is preventing these clubs from offering a similar program on their own? Can't they work out a deal with the schools in their area, provide some volunteer coaches and run a program on their own? They have been around for 40 years, why aren't they already doing this?

Because the program states that kids can only do free soccer with Orlando City. If the money is from TAX Payers money why can't they choose which club they want to go to?

THAT'S what your missing AH, GB, CM or whichever one of you OCYS pretentious bastards that's trying to make this look innocent.

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What you are missing is the proposal. When you see it you will understand it is not only to help underprivileged kids but to get priority to new and existing fields. The goal is for there to be one mega-club in central Florida. With mega club status comes money through sponsorships, and political clout through numbers along with many more benefits.

Existing fields? You say their proposal is asking for priority to existing fields, but that little piece of information didn't make it into the email. Why wouldn't that information have been included? That information also didn't make it into the Sentinel article from a few weeks ago. If OCYS is asking for priority access to fields that are already being used by other clubs, I will agree with you that shouldn't be allowed to happen. I also agree that if they get priority to these new fields, it should only be to operate these new programs. But according to the email from the coalition, that is all they are asking for. "Funding towards 14 new soccer fields in Orange County, with the understanding that Orlando City Youth Soccer will have scheduling priority during prime playing times (Tuesday/Thursday/Friday 5-7pm and Saturday) for the programs listed above to be provided by Orlando City Youth Soccer."

If your post is accurate, then the coalition left out two of the most compelling arguments against Orlando City. How could they by so stupid?

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Because the program states that kids can only do free soccer with Orlando City. If the money is from TAX Payers money why can't they choose which club they want to go to?

THAT'S what your missing AH, GB, CM or whichever one of you OCYS pretentious bastards that's trying to make this look innocent.

I'm not either of those guys. Do you really think name-calling strengthens your argument? I'm not trying to make it look innocent. I'm trying to understand why you think this is going to jeopardize the existence of your club.

The tax money is being given to Orlando City to build the stadium. I don't think they are being given additional tax money to conduct these programs, but please correct me if I'm wrong. OC is being given $40 million for the stadium, and they are essentially paying back some of that by providing these programs.

I'm interested to see the coalition's proposal. I went to the website, but there isn't any information there. Are they asking for the city to give them money in addition to the $40 million for the stadium? Do they want part of the $40 million? Or are the expecting OCYS to pay for them to conduct some of these programs? Orlando City is also required to write the city a check in any year where there is a shortfall. And if they leave Orlando before 25 years, they will have to repay a portion of the public funds. Are the clubs in the coalition willing to pay back some of their "taxpayer" money if one of those events occurs?

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The coalition has a mission statement. They are not asking for anything. How much money do you think Central Florida Clubs pay in field usage fees? How much scholarship money do central florida clubs deliver to kids. Each club puts in way more than $25,000 a year. Good old Phil has a formal presentation and than his legal agreement with the city has different wording. Classic Phil, say one thing and do another and say we made a mistake.

If they want to provide free soccer why are they not doing it in Downtown right now. Why have they not started these programs. The need is in that area more than any other and they have fields downtown. These kids will never make practice at night, after school is the only way. They don't need permission from the county to do it, they don't need a contract, the fields are always available after school.

Simple answer, they don't want to. This is a scam. The needy kids will never make practice from 6-9 as their parents cannot get them there. Phil wants the fields to shut down all the other clubs. It is very clear.

How is any of this good for the game? How is tearing apart other clubs god for the game?

Before you defend OC and attack FKK you may want to look at how many clubs are supporting this. By the way I am not from FKK

[Unregistered]

How far will fkk take this crap. OC does a great job without the dead weight of last year. My kids get good training, little drama and good leagues. Stop preaching that the better training is else where. I know that I am personally tired of this constant back and forth bitching. When are we ist going to start talking about my team is better than your team crap instead of constant baby talk about mine is bigger than yours.

I don't think OC has an FKK problems. Apparently all central florida clubs have an issue with OC. It's clear now that OC has "assumed" all the negative posts here were coming from FKK, but it appears they were wrong. OC has burned many bridges in such a short time. They will step on anyone, including our kids, to get their millions.

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Where were the "coalition" clubs at the county's stadium vote, a very long and heated discussion? Here is where the county commissioner's demanded the the plan:

1) to require OC to PAY $200,000 /yr for the next 15 years to fund the operation of new parks/fields. The county is not paying OC, so if the coalition clubs want to band together some money to fund the new fields, please jump in if that is a "contract" you want a peice of. (that is $3 mil TO the county , not from the county)

2) So these fields are extra fields, so nothing is being taken away from the existing clubs. exactly the opposite- more fields.

3) Clubs already share practice fields, practicing side by side, with no FYSA complaints. I have been to many fields with several clubs all sharing the coveted "lighted fields".

4) Brillliant move, being bitter over the scholarship. OC should just pull that off the table now, and keep it in house altogether. By the way, do the coalition clubs offer a $25,000 scholarship, ever?

So coalition , please step up and march on the meeting. I am sure OC would love an "out" for the $200,000/ yr park funding.

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Where were the "coalition" clubs at the county's stadium vote, a very long and heated discussion? Here is where the county commissioner's demanded the the plan:

1) to require OC to PAY $200,000 /yr for the next 15 years to fund the operation of new parks/fields. The county is not paying OC, so if the coalition clubs want to band together some money to fund the new fields, please jump in if that is a "contract" you want a peice of. (that is $3 mil TO the county , not from the county)

2) So these fields are extra fields, so nothing is being taken away from the existing clubs. exactly the opposite- more fields.

3) Clubs already share practice fields, practicing side by side, with no FYSA complaints. I have been to many fields with several clubs all sharing the coveted "lighted fields".

4) Brillliant move, being bitter over the scholarship. OC should just pull that off the table now, and keep it in house altogether. By the way, do the coalition clubs offer a $25,000 scholarship, ever?

So coalition , please step up and march on the meeting. I am sure OC would love an "out" for the $200,000/ yr park funding.

Same old pretentious OC mentality. "We are better than you"
This is why no one likes you and EXACTLY why when Miami get MLS they will do what you can't,... respect and get along with other clubs. Just watch.

I guarantee you Beckham doesn't try to bully his way in and that he works with other clubs.

Not only that but he's English too, so it's not like you people can't do it that way. You CHOOSE to be @$$holes.

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I'm not either of those guys. Do you really think name-calling strengthens your argument? I'm not trying to make it look innocent. I'm trying to understand why you think this is going to jeopardize the existence of your club.

The tax money is being given to Orlando City to build the stadium. I don't think they are being given additional tax money to conduct these programs, but please correct me if I'm wrong. OC is being given $40 million for the stadium, and they are essentially paying back some of that by providing these programs.

I'm interested to see the coalition's proposal. I went to the website, but there isn't any information there. Are they asking for the city to give them money in addition to the $40 million for the stadium? Do they want part of the $40 million? Or are the expecting OCYS to pay for them to conduct some of these programs? Orlando City is also required to write the city a check in any year where there is a shortfall. And if they leave Orlando before 25 years, they will have to repay a portion of the public funds. Are the clubs in the coalition willing to pay back some of their "taxpayer" money if one of those events occurs?

Are you really that naive to not be able to read between the lines? The whole purpose of OCYS paying for fields is so that they can infringe on other clubs areas. Are you not aware of the FYSA 15 mile rule? Also the new times that OCYS proposes is the same times that 99% of all clubs in Orlando use. So basically the clubs in Orlando that NEED space because they have almost no lighted fields now (FCA) can't even rent these fields (YES pay to rent the fields not use for free) because NORMAL practice times are not available.

Does that make sense? As for the school program that's ANOTHER can of worms that OCYS is trying to open on everyone else.

Do NOT be fooled people. OCYS is a business and they do NONE of this stuff without looking at the most important aspect of all BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. a.k.a Making MORE money.

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Where were the "coalition" clubs at the county's stadium vote, a very long and heated discussion? Here is where the county commissioner's demanded the the plan:

1) to require OC to PAY $200,000 /yr for the next 15 years to fund the operation of new parks/fields. The county is not paying OC, so if the coalition clubs want to band together some money to fund the new fields, please jump in if that is a "contract" you want a peice of. (that is $3 mil TO the county , not from the county)

2) So these fields are extra fields, so nothing is being taken away from the existing clubs. exactly the opposite- more fields.

3) Clubs already share practice fields, practicing side by side, with no FYSA complaints. I have been to many fields with several clubs all sharing the coveted "lighted fields".

4) Brillliant move, being bitter over the scholarship. OC should just pull that off the table now, and keep it in house altogether. By the way, do the coalition clubs offer a $25,000 scholarship, ever?

So coalition , please step up and march on the meeting. I am sure OC would love an "out" for the $200,000/ yr park funding.

OC is not foolish enough to run the risk of losing their stadium money over this field use issue. Much bigger stakes. With so many eyes now watching and multi-Club opposition in full force, the County is simply not going to allow OC to write their own rules here. OC has bitten the hand that feeds it and now basically needs to eat some crow, apologize, and beg for their stadium money. Really, what a stupid move to nickel and dime the County this way and further alienate all the other clubs. Getting millions in tax dollars and paying back pennies on the dollar; just do it without all the strings attached and nonsense and be grateful for the stadium.

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Just a thought but what is preventing OC from using the 2 million in funds that Seminole county is giving them to use towards the new field construction? Coincidently isn't the Seminole funds that is being dispersed in amounts of $200,000 over 10 years and OC's yearly contribution for new field construction the same amount?

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The coalition has a mission statement. They are not asking for anything. How much money do you think Central Florida Clubs pay in field usage fees? How much scholarship money do central florida clubs deliver to kids. Each club puts in way more than $25,000 a year. Good old Phil has a formal presentation and than his legal agreement with the city has different wording. Classic Phil, say one thing and do another and say we made a mistake.

If they want to provide free soccer why are they not doing it in Downtown right now. Why have they not started these programs. The need is in that area more than any other and they have fields downtown. These kids will never make practice at night, after school is the only way. They don't need permission from the county to do it, they don't need a contract, the fields are always available after school.

Simple answer, they don't want to. This is a scam. The needy kids will never make practice from 6-9 as their parents cannot get them there. Phil wants the fields to shut down all the other clubs. It is very clear.

How is any of this good for the game? How is tearing apart other clubs god for the game?

Before you defend OC and attack FKK you may want to look at how many clubs are supporting this. By the way I am not from FKK

You must be from fkk, because you don't realize that OC is already doing soccer clinics downtown. They also work extensively in paramore and do many community projects you are completely unaware of. Arrogant local people who don't lift a finger to help our community until they feel threatened in their own little back yard, that is all I see here. You poke holes in things all day but do nothing to help any child besides your own.