OCYS Consolidated Thread

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It was not a fun tournament for the little 8 and 9 year olds getting creamed that way. I am afraid some may of lost their zest for the game. The little goal keeper felt worst. I had to keep cheering them on to keep their spirits up but you could tell some just gave up.

wonder if there will be a picture of the winning team on Facebook? Just went onto the page to catch up and in the past month, there was ONE picture of a girls team on the entire page. Tells you what they think of the girls. There has been plenty to talk about with the u16 girls high on the national ranking list and the u12 purple team finishing 2nd in State cup. Pictures and articles galore though about all those boys.

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Wow, you people are working over time. Is this your best net for registrationS?

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wonder if there will be a picture of the winning team on Facebook? Just went onto the page to catch up and in the past month, there was ONE picture of a girls team on the entire page. Tells you what they think of the girls. There has been plenty to talk about with the u16 girls high on the national ranking list and the u12 purple team finishing 2nd in State cup. Pictures and articles galore though about all those boys.

It's the managers and coaches responsibility to report things. Guess you should ask them why they aren't doing that.

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A coach with any class would have either had their team only pass and stop scoring.or do a mercy rule. Just being a flat track bully running up the score on less drilled kids.

This goes two ways and I've been on both sides of the situation. Some teams get really upset when you stop scoring while others expect it. Some people think its really disrespectful to play keep away. We've done it all including pulling people off the field, only letting our goalie score,
having to connect 8 passes before you score, letting other team score false goals etc. I've also lost a few 8+ goals in my day.

As a coach I'd rather you keep playing against me because sooner or later I'm hoping my little Johnny figures out how to make a play against you. I don't put everyone on defense trying to stop the scoring either as that doesn't teach them anything. Its the positive moments in the game where they are making plays that you should focus on and not the score. Its really not about winning or losing at these ages. Or at least it shouldn't be.

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After a lopsided match, funny how some people are so quick to criticize the winning coach/team for being "unsportsmanlike" but very few if any people criticize the losing coach/team for being so underprepared (or entering an event at a level that they have no business trying to compete).

Telling kids who want to play their best after they've been training hard, to back off is ludicrous. Is it their fault that their opponent is not up to par? In some lopsided matches, the reserves on the dominant team get more match minutes which is good for them. Actually think it's MORE embarrassing for the weak team when the dominant team switches to playing "cat and mouse".

Unless the event has a mercy rule, it's "play on".

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After a lopsided match, funny how some people are so quick to criticize the winning coach/team for being "unsportsmanlike" but very few if any people criticize the losing coach/team for being so underprepared (or entering an event at a level that they have no business trying to compete).

Telling kids who want to play their best after they've been training hard, to back off is ludicrous. Is it their fault that their opponent is not up to par? In some lopsided matches, the reserves on the dominant team get more match minutes which is good for them. Actually think it's MORE embarrassing for the weak team when the dominant team switches to playing "cat and mouse".

Unless the event has a mercy rule, it's "play on".

You are right. And if the c and d teams had better coaches like the "elite" purple teams it would be more balanced. But alas if you are not on a purple team or even a white team you get the worst coaches, lost in the shuffle and swept aside. There is a U9 coach that coaches a c/d team and it's like a g o n y.

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After a lopsided match, funny how some people are so quick to criticize the winning coach/team for being "unsportsmanlike" but very few if any people criticize the losing coach/team for being so underprepared (or entering an event at a level that they have no business trying to compete).

Telling kids who want to play their best after they've been training hard, to back off is ludicrous. Is it their fault that their opponent is not up to par? In some lopsided matches, the reserves on the dominant team get more match minutes which is good for them. Actually think it's MORE embarrassing for the weak team when the dominant team switches to playing "cat and mouse".

Unless the event has a mercy rule, it's "play on".

If you were a coach you would know there is a simple solution to the problem.
Obviously, this OCYS Technical Director has no clue how to keep his team playing hard and the score down.

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You are right. And if the c and d teams had better coaches like the "elite" purple teams it would be more balanced. But alas if you are not on a purple team or even a white team you get the worst coaches, lost in the shuffle and swept aside. There is a U9 coach that coaches a c/d team and it's like a g o n y.

In an ideal world, all kids would get the best coaching - but that's not reality.

Unfortunately, there's just not enough "A" licensed coaches to go around.

Think about it, for any sport, at any level. In what sport, in what organization do they put the better, more qualified, more experienced, more successful coaches with the lower developmental teams?

Even at the youngest ages, kids with a real interest in soccer (should) know there are basic skills to learn and master. Kids also know they need to run and be agile. And much of the practice and work on these things can be done on their own, away from organized team training sessions. At home, after school, alone or perhaps with a friend or maybe dad or mom. Buy them an inexpensive goal (or build one) and get them a solid wall or rebounding net.

For the kids on the b, c and d teams maybe, with the support of dad and mom, and extra effort and work on their own, they can get to the a team where the coaching is better.

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If you were a coach you would know there is a simple solution to the problem.
Obviously, this OCYS Technical Director has no clue how to keep his team playing hard and the score down.

Actually, I am a coach. And I have at times been on the wrong end of a lopsided drubbing. And it sucks, especially for the players. But when it has happened, it's shown me what I need to work on. And it shows the players how much better they can be and need to be. And that's not all bad.

It's been my experience that parents are more concerned about the result than the players.

It's a hard lesson in humility. It's a learning experience. Handled correctly, it helps build character. Handled incorrectly, it can be a disaster.

And when dads and moms place all the blame for the drubbing on the coach within earshot of their daughter or son, these parents undermine the coach.

"...how to keep his team playing hard and the score down." Just curious to know: was your kid on the winning or losing side of this match? What exactly did you think the coach should do? "Make 5 completed passes before shooting"? Oops, another goal. "Okay, now make 10 completed passes before shooting." Oops, yet another goal. "Okay, now pass only. No more shooting on goal." Really? SERIOUSLY?

Kids go to training sessions to work hard. Come match time, it's time to play hard and do all they've worked on the best they can. To ask them to NOT do EVERYTHING they've been training to do is an insult to them.

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A coach with any class would have either had their team only pass and stop scoring.or do a mercy rule. Just being a flat track bully running up the score on less drilled kids.

This is competition not recreation! As a parent my child has been on the losing side. I did not and will not complain about it. I will not let my child complain about it. If you don't like to lose then get better. Its not the other teams fault they are better. Its your teams fault. As a society we need to stop making excuses for losing! We need to stop being mad at someone else for being better than us. Not everyone deserves a medal only the winners.

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"...how to keep his team playing hard and the score down." Just curious to know: was your kid on the winning or losing side of this match? What exactly did you think the coach should do? "Make 5 completed passes before shooting"? Oops, another goal. "Okay, now make 10 completed passes before shooting." Oops, yet another goal. "Okay, now pass only. No more shooting on goal." Really? SERIOUSLY?

Obviously you are not a coach that knows what to do if your team is dominating a game.

The focus is to keep your team challenged and continue to learn from the game.

You can do it with out restrictions of play.

Very few coaches know what to do and one of them is not the technical director of OCYS.

Embarassing for him.
Disappointing for the development of his team.
Bad for soccer.

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;1004986.... And by the way their kids were so upset about the loss, that they showed up today to watch the final and cheer on the OC team. I would say the parents have the issue, some of these kids want to be more competitive.[/QUOTE]It's not even the parents. The parents brought their kids back to watch and cheer. It's the FKKers with an agenda.

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This is competition not recreation! As a parent my child has been on the losing side. I did not and will not complain about it. I will not let my child complain about it. If you don't like to lose then get better. Its not the other teams fault they are better. Its your teams fault. As a society we need to stop making excuses for losing! We need to stop being mad at someone else for being better than us. Not everyone deserves a medal only the winners.

Again missing the point. You do not have humiliate young kids, losing is fine but kicking them in the face is not!!!

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Some tournament. Must have been great officials too. Heard in u14 girls gsa forfeited a tied game with about a minute left after one of their players left in an ambulance. Other team was so out of control playing dangerously would rather lose 4-0.

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Actually, I am a coach. And I have at times been on the wrong end of a lopsided drubbing. And it sucks, especially for the players. But when it has happened, it's shown me what I need to work on. And it shows the players how much better they can be and need to be. And that's not all bad.

It's been my experience that parents are more concerned about the result than the players.

It's a hard lesson in humility. It's a learning experience. Handled correctly, it helps build character. Handled incorrectly, it can be a disaster.

And when dads and moms place all the blame for the drubbing on the coach within earshot of their daughter or son, these parents undermine the coach.

"...how to keep his team playing hard and the score down." Just curious to know: was your kid on the winning or losing side of this match? What exactly did you think the coach should do? "Make 5 completed passes before shooting"? Oops, another goal. "Okay, now make 10 completed passes before shooting." Oops, yet another goal. "Okay, now pass only. No more shooting on goal." Really? SERIOUSLY?

Kids go to training sessions to work hard. Come match time, it's time to play hard and do all they've worked on the best they can. To ask them to NOT do EVERYTHING they've been training to do is an insult to them.

It's real simple. Pour it on in the first half, with no mercy.

In the second half, if you are up 6, 7, 8 goals, pull a player. Play a man down, but don't change the intensity or force a certain number of passes, etc. If you are still scoring goals, pull another player. Play two men down.

This keeps your players motivated, doesn't embarrass the other team, and evens the playing field for the duration of the match.

Simple.