Saying The Quiet Part Out Loud

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So stop blaming the grassroots clubs in the area for not having a financial incentive to develop your DS/DD for professional football.

Blame yourselves, The market (you) rewards winning. Bootball wins.

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Blame yourselves, The market (you) rewards winning. Bootball wins.

Exactly, because parents are the ones paying for development, not the professional clubs. MLS would rather bring over a Peruvian player than pay to develop a homegrown one.

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It does, but the European development is fueled by the home leagues, and the top leagues the clubs can sell their players to. MLS and lack of pro/rel is the main culprit the home player development in US sucks compared to Europe. So stop blaming the grassroots clubs in the area for not having a financial incentive to develop your DS/DD for professional football.

There ABSOLUTELY IS a financial incentive for youth clubs to NOT develop players. The youth clubs that sell ECNL and other such leagues are charging players and parents an arm and a leg because they can, and because parents and players chasing those leagues will pay it. The financial incentive for these clubs and coaches is natural and obvious. If the market is not forcing them to do the hard work and compete on the basis of what they can really teach/develop players, but instead rewards them financially, for not doing that work, and just selling access to a League, then there lies the financial incentive.

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There ABSOLUTELY IS a financial incentive for youth clubs to NOT develop players. The youth clubs that sell ECNL and other such leagues are charging players and parents an arm and a leg because they can, and because parents and players chasing those leagues will pay it. The financial incentive for these clubs and coaches is natural and obvious. If the market is not forcing them to do the hard work and compete on the basis of what they can really teach/develop players, but instead rewards them financially, for not doing that work, and just selling access to a League, then there lies the financial incentive.

The "league" is worthless without good competition, just look at the "open" leagues in the area, aren't they suppose to be better at developing players compared to the "closed" leagues? According to you, they do, but reality says otherwise - closed area leagues lower the dilution of talent and increase the overall talent accumulation at the top teams. You cannot have proper development if top 20 players in the area all play on 10 different teams, each 5 minutes away from each other.

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There ABSOLUTELY IS a financial incentive for youth clubs to NOT develop players. The youth clubs that sell ECNL and other such leagues are charging players and parents an arm and a leg because they can, and because parents and players chasing those leagues will pay it. The financial incentive for these clubs and coaches is natural and obvious. If the market is not forcing them to do the hard work and compete on the basis of what they can really teach/develop players, but instead rewards them financially, for not doing that work, and just selling access to a League, then there lies the financial incentive.

What do non ECNL charge for club dues? Is it significantly less (I honestly don’t know)? Are there any non ECNL clubs that can compete with the Top 2-3 ECNL teams on either boys or goels
side?

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What do non ECNL charge for club dues? Is it significantly less (I honestly don’t know)? Are there any non ECNL clubs that can compete with the Top 2-3 ECNL teams on either boys or goels
side?

Compete in terms of what? Price charged?

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Compete in terms of what? Price charged?

"Player development", duh

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ECNL expansion over the last several years has diluted the level of play at the highest level. Needs to be cut back at least 50% so you really have the best playing against the best which will help development. Instead we have diluted talent playing diluted talent while ECNL cashes in

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ECNL expansion over the last several years has diluted the level of play at the highest level. Needs to be cut back at least 50% so you really have the best playing against the best which will help development. Instead we have diluted talent playing diluted talent while ECNL cashes in

Maybe. I don’t think It’s diluted it’s just that there is a bigger chasm between the top level of players and the second level than ever. There simply isn’t enough players at the top level to have enough teams to be competitive . There is very little top talent outside of ECNL. A player or a team here or there but that’s it.

ECNL cashes in because top teams have to travel to play top level teams. Agree with that.

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"Player development", duh

Development!!!! LOL!!! new to this thread??!! ECNL Clubs don’t develop players. Go back and read the very first post in this topic. ECNL Clubs sell you a Player ID Platform and you buy it. They lead all clubs in selling an expensive Player ID platform without really developing players. Even the ECNL club coaches admitted that fact to Yahoo Sports. They don’t need to compete on the quality of their player training/education because ya’ll are buying ECNL, which ECNL itself describes as a Player ID Platform. As it turns out, it’s a platform that showcases poorly developed players.

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Development!!!! LOL!!! new to this thread??!! ECNL Clubs don’t develop players. Go back and read the very first post in this topic. ECNL Clubs sell you a Player ID Platform and you buy it. They lead all clubs in selling an expensive Player ID platform without really developing players. Even the ECNL club coaches admitted that fact to Yahoo Sports. They don’t need to compete on the quality of their player training/education because ya’ll are buying ECNL, which ECNL itself describes as a Player ID Platform. As it turns out, it’s a platform that showcases poorly developed players.

I want to know which local non ECNL clubs are developing top players. Clubs Developing players from crappy to mediocre doesn’t count.

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I want to know which local non ECNL clubs are developing top players. Clubs Developing players from crappy to mediocre doesn’t count.

This is a weird comment. Why do you put such limits on how far a coach moves the needle for a player? You don’t do that at the school where your kid goes? You don’t go in and criticize a teacher who moves the needle on a kid from illiterate to functionally literate. That kind of result is the mark of a great teacher, even though the kid isn’t a genius. A coach that takes a kid with no natural talent, teaches them well and helps them make their JV high school team is a rare talent. That kind of work needs to be celebrated, not denigrated. Great teachers are great because they inherit genius talent? The only great teachers are at Harvard? The only great coaches are at ECNL clubs? What a crappy take! The whole point of this thread is about coaches blowing the whistle on themselves and other coaches for taking the easy money and the lazy road of selling ECNL, and never really needing to do the hard work of moving the needle for the players because the players just chase ECNL. The truth is ECNL players don’t care if the coach can move the needle for them. They just want the chance to write a a big check and take their underdeveloped abilities to a showcase tournament, and ECNL coaches and clubs sell that to them.

Maybe there are no such great coaches in this state. But your best chance of finding one would be to look for one that has nothing else to offer other but their teaching abilities.

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I want to know which local non ECNL clubs are developing top players. Clubs Developing players from crappy to mediocre doesn’t count.

None. There are a couple of amazing non-ECNL coaches (at least on the boys side) that I know of. But those are absolutely one-offs and not really related to the clubs they happen to be affiliated with.

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Why do you put such limits on how far a coach moves the needle for a player?

Because no one in the professional football cares about mediocre players, they don't even care about really good ones. They only care about the best of the best. And the best players all want to play at the top leagues with other best players, otherwise they won't develop, no matter what ****ty coaches at low tiered clubs tell you. There are zero players from the "development" clubs like Eagleclaw (sorry, Valencia CF Academy) who play proper professional soccer, yet one of the former XF players is starting together with Messi on the same team.

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None.

That's probably true in WA, with the exception of Sounders Academy.