SCA and OYSA

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We should all welcome a club like SCA. I can say that even knowing that they called me asking if my son would like to move. We had already accepted a spot on a team so we honored it. I’m happy with our choice. His current coach does a fantastic job with the boys. The only bad thing is that they were able to talk a few other players from my sons team into going over to SCA. Did that irritate me? Absolutely, but now after looking at it I really don’t care. I’m a bit selfish in that I am watching my sone grow in an environment that is positive. In hindsight, the people that left brought too much negativity to the group. It’s a good thing that they are gone.

Again, we should welcome SCA into OYSA as long as they meet the credentials needed. Right now they don’t meet the credentials so we shouldn’t let them in. I’m sure there are good reasons for OYSA to have specific credentials to play in their leagues. It’s really simple and something that we learn in elementary school at a young age- follow instructions and you’ll do fine. The SCA guys are very “green” obviously and have a limited knowledge of how a business works. Running a club is more than showing up with cones and balls.

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We should all welcome a club like SCA. I can say that even knowing that they called me asking if my son would like to move. We had already accepted a spot on a team so we honored it. I’m happy with our choice. His current coach does a fantastic job with the boys. The only bad thing is that they were able to talk a few other players from my sons team into going over to SCA. Did that irritate me? Absolutely, but now after looking at it I really don’t care. I’m a bit selfish in that I am watching my sone grow in an environment that is positive. In hindsight, the people that left brought too much negativity to the group. It’s a good thing that they are gone.

Again, we should welcome SCA into OYSA as long as they meet the credentials needed. Right now they don’t meet the credentials so we shouldn’t let them in. I’m sure there are good reasons for OYSA to have specific credentials to play in their leagues. It’s really simple and something that we learn in elementary school at a young age- follow instructions and you’ll do fine. The SCA guys are very “green” obviously and have a limited knowledge of how a business works. Running a club is more than showing up with cones and balls.

This club is a one hit wonder. Kids will stick around for a year then go back to their teams. Good news for SCA, there will always be sheep to bring to the fields for at least one $2,200 year.

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They should have just operated as a private training academy and ran summer camps, and then fielded some futsal teams where kids could show off panna skillz. None of those children are being served by playing in rec level Hispanic leagues or watered down leagues in Seattle because their coaches couldn’t operate with integrity and put anything better together for them. Funny how their names are no longer posted on the FC Huracan page. Looks like it all really was a big bs sham to try and fool OYSA.

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Might we see a new OPL in the future?

The problem with the LAST OPL is that it was a club-by-club thing, generally--a few clubs disliked the management at OYSA and basically took their balls and went home. OPL failed, OYSA was weakened and forced to go crawling to the Timbers (who took full advantage). Nobody won, really.

But that's not the way to split youth soccer--this club (from top to bottom) in this league, this club in that league.

Instead, what if we had a horizontal split?

OYSA would continue to manage rec and "select" (non-premier competitive) soccer in the state. It would continue to be limited to non-profits, and have a community focus. ODP/RTC would probably die (or be greatly scaled back), their missions would be taken over by id2 or similar programs. State Cup would probably become less of a big deal (certainly winners would not be competitive at regionals).

US Club would take over management of "premier" soccer in Oregon. Consistent with current US Club policy, it would not have any non-profit requirements, and SCA could participate as a full member. (Likewise, ADF could dissolve the sham non-profit, and Futboltraining LLC could register directly). Might be two tiers here--ECNL/BECNL for elite travel teams (where travel is expected), and an NPL-ish league for reserve teams and/or high-level teams that don't wish to travel as much.

Individual clubs could have teams participating in either or both leagues--for example, FC Portland's Navy (and possibly White) teams could register with US Club, it's Red teams (and weaker White teams) with OYSA. Players with such clubs might be dual-registered (common nowadays) to facilitate movement between the two leagues as necessary.

Oh, and pro/rel would be implemented--at the end of each season, the bottom team in each age group would be expelled from the US Club League (and if it's a for-profit, sucks to be them!), and a top OYSA team invited to participate. (Also, for this to work, the US Club league will have to accept some in-state travel; one of the things that pissed people off about OPL was that they deliberately excluded non-metro teams. But if Bend Timbers are good enough to get in, they should be allowed in).

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Might we see a new OPL in the future?

The problem with the LAST OPL is that it was a club-by-club thing, generally--a few clubs disliked the management at OYSA and basically took their balls and went home. OPL failed, OYSA was weakened and forced to go crawling to the Timbers (who took full advantage). Nobody won, really.

But that's not the way to split youth soccer--this club (from top to bottom) in this league, this club in that league.

Instead, what if we had a horizontal split?

OYSA would continue to manage rec and "select" (non-premier competitive) soccer in the state. It would continue to be limited to non-profits, and have a community focus. ODP/RTC would probably die (or be greatly scaled back), their missions would be taken over by id2 or similar programs. State Cup would probably become less of a big deal (certainly winners would not be competitive at regionals).

US Club would take over management of "premier" soccer in Oregon. Consistent with current US Club policy, it would not have any non-profit requirements, and SCA could participate as a full member. (Likewise, ADF could dissolve the sham non-profit, and Futboltraining LLC could register directly). Might be two tiers here--ECNL/BECNL for elite travel teams (where travel is expected), and an NPL-ish league for reserve teams and/or high-level teams that don't wish to travel as much.

Individual clubs could have teams participating in either or both leagues--for example, FC Portland's Navy (and possibly White) teams could register with US Club, it's Red teams (and weaker White teams) with OYSA. Players with such clubs might be dual-registered (common nowadays) to facilitate movement between the two leagues as necessary.

Oh, and pro/rel would be implemented--at the end of each season, the bottom team in each age group would be expelled from the US Club League (and if it's a for-profit, sucks to be them!), and a top OYSA team invited to participate. (Also, for this to work, the US Club league will have to accept some in-state travel; one of the things that pissed people off about OPL was that they deliberately excluded non-metro teams. But if Bend Timbers are good enough to get in, they should be allowed in).

So why doesn't this happen?

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So why doesn't this happen?

Because if your OYSA there is absolutely no benefit to go along with that. They are US Youth soccer, why would they openly accept giving half their teams to US club? that would make no sense in any business what so ever.

And on the other side, outside of allowing for profit clubs to join, what benifits would be gained from going to a US club soccer league?

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So why doesn't this happen?

Because it is just a path laid out for SCA's benefit and not much else.

"Hey, let's restructure youth soccer so that SCA can benefit"

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So why doesn't this happen?

Because something similar happened before.

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Because if your OYSA there is absolutely no benefit to go along with that. They are US Youth soccer, why would they openly accept giving half their teams to US club? that would make no sense in any business what so ever.

And on the other side, outside of allowing for profit clubs to join, what benifits would be gained from going to a US club soccer league?

Massive financial benefits to clubs that join US club as considerably cheaper than US Soccer. Clubs can then put additional resourcing in my their members (extra coaches, equipment etc).

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Massive financial benefits to clubs that join US club as considerably cheaper than US Soccer. Clubs can then put additional resourcing in my their members (extra coaches, equipment etc).

You mean extra money to line their own pockets.

These muppets make more than any local DOC now

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Massive financial benefits to clubs that join US club as considerably cheaper than US Soccer. Clubs can then put additional resourcing in my their members (extra coaches, equipment etc).

I'm curious about the cost difference, however I couldn't find how much us youth soccer is per player for the club to register. If you find it, can you post where that information is. I know it varies from state to state.

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I'm curious about the cost difference, however I couldn't find how much us youth soccer is per player for the club to register. If you find it, can you post where that information is. I know it varies from state to state.

$22/player

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$22/player

If thats true, us club soccer is 18 for players U11 and down, and 24 per player U12-U19 and 25 for adults/coaches.

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Because if your OYSA there is absolutely no benefit to go along with that. They are US Youth soccer, why would they openly accept giving half their teams to US club? that would make no sense in any business what so ever.

And on the other side, outside of allowing for profit clubs to join, what benifits would be gained from going to a US club soccer league?

I'm sure OYSA wouldn't like it, just as OYSA probably is annoyed that CU and FC Portland enter their top girls teams into ECNL and not TTL. But OYSA probably couldn't stop it were it to occur--it would only take a critical mass of A-list clubs to have a reasonable league.

SCA would jump at this, obviously, and I'm sure all of ADF, UPDX, FC, WUSC/LOSC/OPFC, and THUSC might go along. Bridges United possibly as well.

The old OPL had two problems:

* It was an attempt at a VERTICAL split--clubs were either in or out; which weakened both organizations, and left OYSA with a revenue shortfall.
* It deliberately excluded a lot of clubs--anything outside the metro area was told to go pound sand, and the numerous Latino clubs in the area were also not part of it. While this probably wasn't the intent, at the end it looked like the wealthy suburban clubs trying to segregate themselves.

The suggestion on the table, again, is a horizontal split--a US Club-sponsored "premier" league that:
* Is open to any club that can qualify (soccer-wise).
* Is open to nonprofits and for-profits alike
* Does not offer "rec" or "select" soccer, those are left to OYSA to administer

Will this happen? Who knows. I expect to see more for-profit entities popping up in the local soccer scene; there's plenty of that already in soccer hotbeds like CA. And sooner or later, the money dam will break, if OYSA continues to ban for-profits, US Club will gladly step in. What might actually happen might be far worse for Oregon soccer, we might just get an OPL v2 with all the faults of the first one.

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I expect to see more for-profit entities popping up in the local soccer scene; there's plenty of that already in soccer hotbeds like CA.

What is the advantage for a club to be for-profit vs. non-profit?

It seems like the only advantage for what is being proposed is entry of for profit clubs.