Ecnl is going bye bye

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We spent $2300 on one trip. Where are you getting eight hundred per month?

for one trip??

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They didn't apply.
If you look closely at 40% of the clubs that now have ECNL you would know that they are not good enough.

ECNL is nothing more than a recruiting business. There are other businesses that do the same. You can play for FCPDX Navy or their ECNL team they both have the same underqualified coaches for both.

Apparently you're not paying attention. Completely different coaches for ECNL. Very good coaches for Navy, college coaches and former pros for ECNL.

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Same coaches. Same middle of road results.

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for one trip??

Yes. 1000 for kid and balance was mom and dad travel costs.

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I don't disagree....

But your argument is terrible.

It's like saying Donald Trump is better than Jeb Bush.
Or Hillary is better than Obama...come on

No, Just saying that if FC ECNL is a bad value, then CU ECNL is a horrible value. Might as well throw your money in the fireplace.

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No, Just saying that if FC ECNL is a bad value, then CU ECNL is a horrible value. Might as well throw your money in the fireplace.

Club soccer means you don't have the money or the fireplace, but are just too embarrassed to have your kid play rec.

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And FCs coaches are miles better than CUs coaches.

I could get a crowd from Sesame street that are better than CU coaches. No plan, miserable, ego's, clueless...the list could go on.

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I could get a crowd from Sesame street that are better than CU coaches. No plan, miserable, ego's, clueless...the list could go on.

It's worth a shot. Do you think you could bring them in and make it happen?

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The Bigger Picture

Girls DA, Birth year changes, DA starting younger (will be U9 soon) and everything else are all part of a bigger picture that won't be perfect, but will be a hell of a lot better than the current mess we have now.

There is a right way and a wrong way to structure things, we have been doing it about as wrong as you can, so we are bringing in the best to help straighten it out. Our circumstances are totally different of course, so for once this is not just about "Do it like the Dutch/Germans/Brazillians, Etc!" and actually about redesigning our system to fit us.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/articl...ing-to-america

I for one welcome our new Belgian overlords.

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I personnel think US Soccer is screwing up the entire development system for boys and girls soccer. The creation of DAP is all smoke and mirrors because only 0.001% of players will make the NT. It is just a money grab for these clubs that missed the boat on US Club Soccer Leagues. They get soccerwire to publish an article saying it will the top league in the country and all other leagues especially the ECNL which has been producing high level college and NT players for multiple of years. USYSA is upset and is now working with US Soccer to help put them back on the map. What is going to happen to DAP now if the only way to get to the NT is through a DAP club. I think if US Club Soccer should change their leagues to school grades and not go with the new age group change proposed by US Soccer. I think like 99.99% of parents would play in these leagues due to being what the greater population wants out of playing clubs soccer, college scholarships. Let the NT coaches go to the DAP programs and College coaches go to everything else. You will see who wins this war.
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Speed is the magic key to success.

You can be both a early and later bloomer....seen kids do very well at the youngest ages..taper off a bit then pick things up in a big way at the older age groups

The training vs. talent debate is an age-old one...really takes BOTH but what is more important? This is a really good book on the topic:
http://thesportsgene.com/ this is a little bit of summary on the "speed" topic:

"If your child doesn’t have the genetic make-up to produce this natural ‘speed’, it is unlikely they will be able to develop it through practice. Speed is difficult to improve if your body make-up isn’t suited to running fast; of course, this doesn’t mean your kid has NO chance of being a professional player if they are one of the slower players on their team, it just makes it less likely.

Dutch scientists involved with professional soccer clubs have found that kids aged 12-16 who go on to sign professional contracts are, on average, 0.2 seconds faster than the other kids who end up playing amateur soccer. I know, 0.2 seconds may not seem like much but it is literally the difference between predicting whether a player makes it as a pro or ends up an amateur"

I've seen or known several athletics who have successful turned "pro" and and have or had different degrees of success but the one thing in common: All where dominate players locally before moving on and you knew something was special about them.
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You can be both a early and later bloomer....seen kids do very well at the youngest ages..taper off a bit then pick things up in a big way at the older age groups

The training vs. talent debate is an age-old one...really takes BOTH but what is more important? This is a really good book on the topic:
http://thesportsgene.com/ this is a little bit of summary on the "speed" topic:

"If your child doesn’t have the genetic make-up to produce this natural ‘speed’, it is unlikely they will be able to develop it through practice. Speed is difficult to improve if your body make-up isn’t suited to running fast; of course, this doesn’t mean your kid has NO chance of being a professional player if they are one of the slower players on their team, it just makes it less likely.

Dutch scientists involved with professional soccer clubs have found that kids aged 12-16 who go on to sign professional contracts are, on average, 0.2 seconds faster than the other kids who end up playing amateur soccer. I know, 0.2 seconds may not seem like much but it is literally the difference between predicting whether a player makes it as a pro or ends up an amateur"

I've seen or known several athletics who have successful turned "pro" and and have or had different degrees of success but the one thing in common: All where dominate players locally before moving on and you knew something was special about them.
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Yep. I've said this forever. Give me the athlete with the God given talents any day of the week. If you have a kid that is average in this regard, don't waste your money. I mean you can if you want but it's mostly a waste.

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Yep. I've said this forever. Give me the athlete with the God given talents any day of the week. If you have a kid that is average in this regard, don't waste your money. I mean you can if you want but it's mostly a waste.

DAP, US Training Centers, Id2 & ODP should time all the players in sprints. Drop anyone who doesn't have elite speed. Concentrate on developing the skills of the the elite speedsters who have a true shot of becoming elite. Don't waste the time & money on the slower kids. If any of the slower kids is amazing enough, they'll get noticed and can be be an exception to the rule. Eventually, most slower players simply can't keep up with elite players - both figuratively and literally. Just like little short kids will likely not become elite basketballers and tall girls likely won't ever be an elite gymnast. Doesn't mean they can't play well at a lower level, just not elite so weed the not elite speed kids out of elite programs early. Concentrate on developing the skills of the super speedy from an early age and the USMNT will do better than this change to birth year.

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Yep. I've said this forever. Give me the athlete with the God given talents any day of the week. If you have a kid that is average in this regard, don't waste your money. I mean you can if you want but it's mostly a waste.

It's a waste if you think your kid playing a sport will reap some kind of financial reward or get them into a better college. If you do it because you want to support their interests - in other words, it's for their and your entertainment - then letting kids figure out their passions is never a waste. That said don't go crazy spending until they are at least 13-14 when some things drop by the way side and puberty has started to kick in. Plenty of kids plateau physically in middle school. I've seen plenty of U11 super stars be average by U15 because most of the other kids have caught up.

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DAP, US Training Centers, Id2 & ODP should time all the players in sprints. Drop anyone who doesn't have elite speed. Concentrate on developing the skills of the the elite speedsters who have a true shot of becoming elite. Don't waste the time & money on the slower kids. If any of the slower kids is amazing enough, they'll get noticed and can be be an exception to the rule. Eventually, most slower players simply can't keep up with elite players - both figuratively and literally. Just like little short kids will likely not become elite basketballers and tall girls likely won't ever be an elite gymnast. Doesn't mean they can't play well at a lower level, just not elite so weed the not elite speed kids out of elite programs early. Concentrate on developing the skills of the super speedy from an early age and the USMNT will do better than this change to birth year.

This would be the smart thing to do so US Soccer will never do it. They are milking the wallets of millions of slow kids who they know will never make it. Tell the parents how special little Suzie is and they'll open their wallets right up.