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• Most sophomore girls are in the thick of it right now.
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• If you're a high level player you will be done before junior year starts.
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• Midlevel players have longer.
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• Coaches at top programs have already allocated their dollars as well.
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This is the reason players and parents of 14 and 15 years olds stress. Some, but not all, of the comments above are true for THE TOP 5%. The other 95% of the recruiting class is on track without offers until their Junior year. Please stop posting this garbage. It's this type of misinformation that freaks people out.

Clearly you are on the outside and don't know the truth. Sorry but top programs, meaning P5 and some other select top programs like Santa Clara, are done by end of soph year and many are 80% filled by now already. Believe what you want to believe, but if they haven't shown interest in a player by now, don't count on getting anything from them.

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Depending on the time of year you visit you might see it first hand. Sometimes the girls are not allowed to practice (NCAA rules) with coaches so it is hit or miss. For us it was at times stressful like others have said, but we enjoyed watching and helping our dd navigate the process. I think the one piece of advice we received that was most helpful, get that first offer. When schools shows an interest act like they are really one of your top choices. This whole process is a negotiation and having an offer gives you some leverage. The schools will be talking to many kids and your athlete should also doesn't mean you want to go to school there but it is very important to talk to all the schools. The more the kids talk to coaches the better they get at it, so practice with the schools you might not be interested in. If the coach makes an offer, use that as leverage when a real school on the list shows interest. Remember just like the kids want to be wanted the coaches want kids that want their schools. Keep in contact and touch base often with the schools in your top 5-10 list. Good luck to all the girls who are fortunate enough to go through the process!!

You can't practice with a D1 or D2 program until your senior year. D3 has no rules and NAIA allows you to practice with a team twice regardless of age.

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You can't practice with a D1 or D2 program until your senior year. D3 has no rules and NAIA allows you to practice with a team twice regardless of age.

The poster meant the team practicing so you can watch, we visited in January and had to settle for watching them lift weights. Re-read it, it took me a few times, he didn't mean the recruit.

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You did not simply post your experience as it played out you posted sweeping inaccurate generalities about the timeline of the process. Additionally, you keep speaking of athletic scholarship dollars as a large stack of money that they pass out to prospective players. The earlier you come somehow the more money you get or something. Again, this is completely inaccurate.

Division 1 women's soccer has 14 scholarships at their disposal. Most high level schools may have up to 4 players on "full rides" using 1 full scholarship per player and the other 10 split 50/50 or some 70/30 ect. This statement "because most of the money will be gone" is a bit erroneous. Coaches are trying to balance talent, academic scholarship merit and out of state considerations when deciding how to allocate these scholarships. What does this look like?

Coach has 3 scholarships to use in 2016:
PLAYER 1: Five-Star recruit from So-Cal with a 2.9 GPA gets a full ride. She didn't have the grades to merit any academic money so the coach went full court press with the offer to endure he got her.
PLAYER 2: Four-Star recruit with a 3.8 GPA. Local kid. One of the best in the state but doesn't need to travel more than a car ride to visit home in the offseason. She will garner at least a 50% scholarship for academics. Coach offers her 30% athletic. Parents want her local and she has always loved the school. She accepts and picks up the 20% remaining. Nice discount for a 4 year education and gets to play close to home. Win-Win
PLAER 3: Four-Star recruit with a 3.4 GPA. Out-of-State. Her local university wants her too but she prefers this school. Coach like what she brings to the table and thinks she will blend well with the five star recruit as they happen to be from the same club. Coach offers her 70% athletic and she qualifies for 30% academics. It’s a win for the family as they were in no position to afford for her education and now because of her hard work she will attend school on full scholarship.

So in your world, you have 2 full scholarships going to 3 players, what if the recruiting class has 10 NLI's signed today? The least I saw was 6. So basically you proved the other person's point. All three kids you described above, unless a lower level D1 or D2, would go their sophomore year, leaving 1 full scholarship for the coach to spend later, if they are spreading that between 3-7 players, do the math, some kids are playing for books or less. Which could be described as "out of money". If you feel better that we say "out of scholarships," fine, so it shall be.

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Clearly you are on the outside and don't know the truth. Sorry but top programs, meaning P5 and some other select top programs like Santa Clara, are done by end of soph year and many are 80% filled by now already. Believe what you want to believe, but if they haven't shown interest in a player by now, don't count on getting anything from them.

Santa Clara. I'm glad you brought them up. Only 3 2017 (junior) and 2 2018 (soph) so far. Coach Smith is still looking for pieces. Looks like you may be the one on the outside.

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You can't practice with a D1 or D2 program until your senior year. D3 has no rules and NAIA allows you to practice with a team twice regardless of age.

We were talking about recruits watching practice not participating.

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Not a troll dude. Was 14 when it started and 15 now. In some of it I was talking in generalities about 14 year olds because that's when it started. Yes try and figure out who I am. Flush out some more details.

Not ID camps. Unofficial visits coordinated through the club coach and initiated by the colleges after seeing her play. That by itself is challenging. Having to rely on club coaches to pass on information. Call me troll or whatever. This started because some douche was saying that it isn't stressful and if we are stressed by it we are bad parents living through our kids. It is a difficult process and I don't think many normal people would see it otherwise. We are trying to help our child make an important decision for her future, without much in the way of guidance at the start frankly.

We have taken her on 3 unofficial visits. We have 2 more scheduled. One is drivable. We also came to the conclusion that we have to be more direct about offers before and at the visit --thanks for the advice. They essentially have said they will be extending an offer but we need to see her more to determine how much. Yes might or might not happen we get that. If she decided to decline an offer of a visit then on what information does she decide whether a school and program is right for her? Doesnt she need to understand even her potential options to eventually make an informed decision? Understanding these options would include seeing the campus and facilities, Meeting the strength coaches and academic advisers. In addition to trying to get a feel for the coaches themselves. Some schools have leadership programs and mentorships. Paid internships and amazing labs. Others have killer dorms and free food all over the place. Some have a really great college town Main Street all kinds of variables important to the decision a kid can only can get by going there.

We could put it off for more "normal" timing, but it seems that the interest doesn't always last unless the kid returns it aggressively. It feels like if the kid doesn't accept the offer of the visit then the school will take the kid who does make the effort to come. Is that true? Does refusing an offer hurt the kid's chances? You have advised that it's ok for the kid to refuse. But it feels like a dangerous thing to do for one that might be in the top 5.
I would really like to hear from parents on what happened if anything a month or more after the visits? What percentage turn into offers? Are we unusual that no actual offer was extended to her while she was there? We don't have a big sample size here. In what percentage of cases is an offer made at the visit? Is it more likely to be forthcoming if the kid is older?
Maybe we are stupid like you imply and have wasted a ton of money traveling to these schools and you are right they are stringing us along. We of course hope she has some real options after all of this but time will tell at this point. I know some of you will flame me but since someone is trying to help I think it's worthwhile to put it out there. probably not the right thread to ask this. Sorry about that.

I'm the one you are responding to. Personally, I think that going on all of these unofficial visits is just going to cost you a big amount of travel money that may or may not result in anything. We basically said that we'd love to visit but we have limited funds so we want to make sure we visit schools where their is a high probability of an offer. One school basically told us they wanted us to visit and told us what the schedule would be and that they would have a significant discussion at the end of the visit. That discussion was essentially a meeting with all of the coaches, head coach through volunteer coach, where they made their offer. Another one made the offer over the phone the day after visiting. If they are saying to come visit but aren't ready to make an offer, you should be able to manage that. If they are saying they have to see her play some more before deciding, then you may or may not get an offer.

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Santa Clara. I'm glad you brought them up. Only 3 2017 (junior) and 2 2018 (soph) so far. Coach Smith is still looking for pieces. Looks like you may be the one on the outside.

Looks like that is what is listed good job reading. How many are not posted? That's what I thought you are on the outside looking in.

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Looks like that is what is listed good job reading. How many are not posted? That's what I thought you are on the outside looking in.

You're beginning to drown in your own ignorance. Please stop whilst your ahead.

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The poster meant the team practicing so you can watch, we visited in January and had to settle for watching them lift weights. Re-read it, it took me a few times, he didn't mean the recruit.

Got it. To see them practice you obviously have to visit in the fall or in the spring. I do encourage seeing a practice if possible. It can be very revealing. We visited one school and watched practice and the male coach was very flirty with a couple of the girls. It was uncomfortable for us. He is no longer coaching at that school either. He's back in club. The guy was creepy and my daughter would not have played for him.

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You're beginning to drown in your own ignorance. Please stop whilst your ahead.

Actually the poster is right on. It's up to the girls to report, but you probably don't know that. The school can't say anything until after NLI, again I'm sure you don't know that. Santa Clara is most definitely full with their 2017 class and likely has 4-5 commits for 2018 and an offer or two more out for 2018, just waiting to hear. They might have one or two slots left for 2018 depending upon how big of a class he is going to take. 90% of them will be from California too. And at least half or more have been on one of the WNTs during their youth career.

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Actually the poster is right on. It's up to the girls to report, but you probably don't know that. The school can't say anything until after NLI, again I'm sure you don't know that. Santa Clara is most definitely full with their 2017 class and likely has 4-5 commits for 2018 and an offer or two more out for 2018, just waiting to hear. They might have one or two slots left for 2018 depending upon how big of a class he is going to take. 90% of them will be from California too. And at least half or more have been on one of the WNTs during their youth career.

Several Oregon players must get recruited every year by Santa Clara & the like. Whenever I say Oregon players simply can't compete with the high numbers of top CA players, a bunch of posters just mp on TS and say OR is competing just fine with CA ("my daughter's ODP team tied a CA team", "3 OR girls went to a national camp", etc. Did any Oregon girls sign with top D1 soccer schools today? Last year? I'm just curious because at u13, fiveofthe players on our team think they are getting full rides to Stanford and straight to the USWNT. I just don't realistically see it. Kids should dream but shouldn't parents be a bit more optimistic?

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Actually the poster is right on. It's up to the girls to report, but you probably don't know that. The school can't say anything until after NLI, again I'm sure you don't know that. Santa Clara is most definitely full with their 2017 class and likely has 4-5 commits for 2018 and an offer or two more out for 2018, just waiting to hear. They might have one or two slots left for 2018 depending upon how big of a class he is going to take. 90% of them will be from California too. And at least half or more have been on one of the WNTs during their youth career.

No one said anything about the class of 2017 but you probably don't know that. You're making assumptions based on speculation on the class of 2018 but again I'm sure you don't know that either.

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No one said anything about the class of 2017 but you probably don't know that. You're making assumptions based on speculation on the class of 2018 but again I'm sure you don't know that either.

This is not an assumption, you are a real "RICHARD"

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Several Oregon players must get recruited every year by Santa Clara & the like. Whenever I say Oregon players simply can't compete with the high numbers of top CA players, a bunch of posters just mp on TS and say OR is competing just fine with CA ("my daughter's ODP team tied a CA team", "3 OR girls went to a national camp", etc. Did any Oregon girls sign with top D1 soccer schools today? Last year? I'm just curious because at u13, fiveofthe players on our team think they are getting full rides to Stanford and straight to the USWNT. I just don't realistically see it. Kids should dream but shouldn't parents be a bit more optimistic?

You seem to be getting your panties all in a bunch. Reality will catch up with people over time. Who cares if they think what they think? One of them just might go to Stanford. Doubt five will, but the other four might go to Pac 12 or WCC schools, which are top notch in soccer. Heck, for all you know your dd might be one of them, or she could be one of them that hits high school and announces that she is done with soccer. We had a girl on our team two years ago who had been intense in soccer with club, camps, ODP and it was apparent as she grew older that she wasn't a top athlete and her playing time was slipping. Suddenly, she just quit. Her dad was one of the most intense soccer dads around too. The girl just didn't want it anymore, she wanted other things. Hey, it happens. Enjoy the here and now and don't worry about where and when the journey might end.