New Discovery! TA coaches overly paranoid that his best players are leaving for ECNL

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And the Thorns got the boot in FWRL. It's the first year and FC and CU had only 1.5 weeks notice before they had to get teams together. Hate all you want but it's the future.

Excuses. Thorns is the only way to go!

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And the Thorns got the boot in FWRL. It's the first year and FC and CU had only 1.5 weeks notice before they had to get teams together. Hate all you want but it's the future.

So funny, the juicy rationalizations. ECNL produced many results which were far inferior to the Thorns this year, yet some of the kool aid drinkers on here won't accept those facts.

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Ouch, someone dropped a truth bomb.

LOL! Ouch! It's embarrassing that you actually think that bothers people. One anonymous poster insulting another anonymous poster's assumed child. How dumb are you? no need to answer...... It's obvious to everyone.

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So funny, the juicy rationalizations. ECNL produced many results which were far inferior to the Thorns this year, yet some of the kool aid drinkers on here won't accept those facts.

LOL! I just spit my coffee out when I read that. Talk about delusional. Hahahahahahahahhaahhaahaahaaa

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Yes, better coaching, better playing opportunities. Go Thorns! They crushed in the silver division down in Vegas and almost won OYSA! Who needs ECNL? THORNS!

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Thanks again Timbers, NOT

Different perspective. Our child was selected to the State ODP team, then to the Regional team, offered a full ride for college soccer and even had a couple of call ups to the US Youth National team.

This program changed our families life and created a path to the pros.

We are grateful for the US Soccer association allowing our child to be part of this incredible identification and honored program. Grateful.

Thanks again Eric L or Timbers staff for writing on behalf of the Rubin family (the one and only national call-up in recent years).

But how many girls have received national call-ups because they were part of the Thorns or ODP? I believe there are a couple of girls in the area getting national camp invites but it wasn't through the ODP process.

How kids, boys and girls, have gone through and paid into the Oregon ODP program before the Timbers had ONE recognized at the national level? How much money did the Timbers organization make on those thousands of players in the meantime?

If the parents of those kids would have spent the same amount of money and time on private individual/group trainings, their kids would probably be at the same level as the players in the ODP program.

My point is that OPD is not all that and for the Timbers to be blind to the politics and biases only makes it worse. Any leading organization would recognize the weaknesses and correct them.

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Thanks again Eric L or Timbers staff for writing on behalf of the Rubin family (the one and only national call-up in recent years).

But how many girls have received national call-ups because they were part of the Thorns or ODP? I believe there are a couple of girls in the area getting national camp invites but it wasn't through the ODP process.

How kids, boys and girls, have gone through and paid into the Oregon ODP program before the Timbers had ONE recognized at the national level? How much money did the Timbers organization make on those thousands of players in the meantime?

If the parents of those kids would have spent the same amount of money and time on private individual/group trainings, their kids would probably be at the same level as the players in the ODP program.

My point is that OPD is not all that and for the Timbers to be blind to the politics and biases only makes it worse. Any leading organization would recognize the weaknesses and correct them.

In the last few years a handful of Oregonian Boys have been called up to the US National team through the ODP process...Steve Evans, Erik Hurtado & Adrian Villegas just off the top of my head. ODP typically scholarships talented kids with limited means so if those parents would of spent nothing on Private training the ODP would of still kicked in. The overhead to send kids to regional camps, regional competitions and coaching staff per diem is a cost they must cover, so I doubt they are big bucks off the ODP arm of USYS youth soccer. ODP is the be all for the truly talented boys players from Oregon. Chad Barrett, Nate Jaqua, Chris Brown, Andrew Gregor, Ryan White, Joey Leonetti, Scott Benedditi, Brian Rowe are just a handful of Oregonians who climbed from the State team to the Regional team to the US National. Most did it before the inception of the US Development Academy in 2007 but since 2007 at least 4 more boys have benefited from ODP. Oregon's best boys use Oregon ODP to make a splash Nationally.

Sorry if that fact bothers you.

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What about ODP for girls? What about listening to constructive critism?

Sorry if that fact bothers you.

What has ODP done for the girls in the state?

I don't deny the impact on a handful of players. I accept that talented players will be found through ODP. But I don't believe that it is a direct reflection of how ODP is run in Oregon. It is a reflection that the Timbers/ODP is the only way for male players to get recognized. The Timbers have a captive audience and control the market. It is the only way for boys to get recognized. So it's the ODP program in general not the way that the Timbers run it which creates these opportunities.

I am just suggesting that it would be good for the Timbers to look at the politics and biases involved in the RTC/ODP programs. By your response, it appears that the Timbers are not interested in hearing from the consumers; so you're just proving my point.

Or are just justifying the politics and biases (impacting at least 200-400 players per year) because it has produced 10-15 players in the span of 20 years.

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What has ODP done for the girls in the state?

I don't deny the impact on a handful of players. I accept that talented players will be found through ODP. But I don't believe that it is a direct reflection of how ODP is run in Oregon. It is a reflection that the Timbers/ODP is the only way for male players to get recognized. The Timbers have a captive audience and control the market. It is the only way for boys to get recognized. So it's the ODP program in general not the way that the Timbers run it which creates these opportunities.

I am just suggesting that it would be good for the Timbers to look at the politics and biases involved in the RTC/ODP programs. By your response, it appears that the Timbers are not interested in hearing from the consumers; so you're just proving my point.

Or are just justifying the politics and biases (impacting at least 200-400 players per year) because it has produced 10-15 players in the span of 20 years.

The State of Oregon consistently produces Nationally recognized talent with respect to the male gender. The history through ODP, US National team and MLS Top draft picks not to mention college all-americans + National contending club teams in the male sphere.

The State of Oregon for whatever reason doesn't have any track record of outstanding girls club teams, US National Players (other than Tiffany Millbrett) ODP stars or division one college all stars.

ODP is just a vehicle for the best to be identified boys fill the card in Oregon. Sorry.

Blaming genetics or girls basketball, track and field, softball and Volleyball as the culprits for the dismal standard of girls in the state is much more logical.

Blame the Timbers, why would they care?

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Because they take the money...

Blame the Timbers, why would they care?

The Timbers run the boys and girls and ODP programs. They collect our money (through the kids' fees). Therefore, they should care if there are better ways to operate.

Based upon the information you provided (no girls promoted to National scene), the Timbers/Thorns should care why they cannot "develop" girls at the same rate as the boys. Are girls getting the same quality in coaching and training as boys? Or are the girls like players 25-40 in the boys ODP pool (just added so they can subsidize the top boys).

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The Timbers run the boys and girls and ODP programs. They collect our money (through the kids' fees). Therefore, they should care if there are better ways to operate.

Based upon the information you provided (no girls promoted to National scene), the Timbers/Thorns should care why they cannot "develop" girls at the same rate as the boys. Are girls getting the same quality in coaching and training as boys? Or are the girls like players 25-40 in the boys ODP pool (just added so they can subsidize the top boys).

1. THE LOCAL CLUBS DEVELOP THE PLAYERS

2. ODP/TIMBERS through USYS give the locally developed club players a PLATFORM to be identified by the NATIONAL team scouts and coaches. Basically an All-Star team.

Ask your local club why no girls of merit are coming from Oregon. Simple answer the dilution of talent across multiple clubs to keep coaches paid.

Now you understand the process go change the socialist anti-competitive nature within the local club landscape for girls.

The lastest attempt to field 2 girls clubs teams in the ECNL just helps the Girls stay down.

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Only from the mindset of a parent. What's cab be taken from your words above.

"Forget about getting exposure to college coaches by having a daughter on local team that plays in the ECNL, that can be done in any league any time....It's all about the enjoyment of watching her team NOT compete or measure up against stronger teams, week in and week out. That's what makes it worthwhile.


This person also enjoys feeding the video slots with $20 bills over and over just for the satisfaction of seeing the INSERT MONEY sign after another losing spin.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Since when is playing for Crossfire Premier not competing? You seem to be writing challenged.

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1. THE LOCAL CLUBS DEVELOP THE PLAYERS

2. ODP/TIMBERS through USYS give the locally developed club players a PLATFORM to be identified by the NATIONAL team scouts and coaches. Basically an All-Star team.

Ask your local club why no girls of merit are coming from Oregon. Simple answer the dilution of talent across multiple clubs to keep coaches paid.

Now you understand the process go change the socialist anti-competitive nature within the local club landscape for girls.

The lastest attempt to field 2 girls clubs teams in the ECNL just helps the Girls stay down.

Using your logic, having the Timbers slap together a third team (Thorns Academy) simply makes the situation worse. However, once can still do these and do ODP so I don't think your argument holds water.

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You are missing the point

Using your logic, having the Timbers slap together a third team (Thorns Academy) simply makes the situation worse. However, once can still do these and do ODP so I don't think your argument holds water.

There is no argument per say.

ODP is a US Soccer prescribed program for every state in the U.S.. This directive is carried out by the State governing body OYSA in Oregon. It's the Identification program for top flight players primarily at the State, Regional & National level.

The Portland Thorns are not the PortlandTimbers--another fact that can't be contested.

If the Thorns girls & or Timbers boys have been directed by US Soccer to field club teams for the elite HS aged players so be it. It has nothing to do with the ODP program which is separate.

Thank God the Thorns didn't make the snap judgement to join the ECNL as did the 2 local clubs found the hard and expensive way are in over their head given the resources of coaching and talent available in the PDX Area.

ODP is a not to be confused with local club teams like the Thorns, FC PDX or LOSC. All the kids from these clubs tryout to be selected for ODP.

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What has ODP done for the girls in the state?

I don't deny the impact on a handful of players. I accept that talented players will be found through ODP. But I don't believe that it is a direct reflection of how ODP is run in Oregon. It is a reflection that the Timbers/ODP is the only way for male players to get recognized. The Timbers have a captive audience and control the market. It is the only way for boys to get recognized. So it's the ODP program in general not the way that the Timbers run it which creates these opportunities.

I am just suggesting that it would be good for the Timbers to look at the politics and biases involved in the RTC/ODP programs. By your response, it appears that the Timbers are not interested in hearing from the consumers; so you're just proving my point.

Or are just justifying the politics and biases (impacting at least 200-400 players per year) because it has produced 10-15 players in the span of 20 years.

Did you ever stop to think that Oregon given it's size and demographics has done very well with producing National level boys and does very well with Girls given the dilution and lack of talent? The avenues are available to do well in the ODP you just play in games and have other coaches evaluate you from the Regional and National Staff. Oregon Girls can't seem to get on the radar, yet. Which has nothing to do with the ODP process just a lack of eye catching talent the Regional / National coaches are looking for. If Oregon Girls were slipping thru the cracks from middle school to High School, Guess what when the get to college they would become Stars and All Americans at Division I schools, if that was the case you would have at least an argument.They don't and you don't. Just an opinion about how ODP sucks. Great input.