ECNL $10,000/yr vs Thorns Academy $500/yr

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Because of the $8,000 to $10,000 per year price tag they are excluding a lot of talent in exchange for rich kids.

It's Elite families not elite players.

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Timbers didn't apply. But that's not a part of this discussion. It was awarded to three clubs whose leadership helped to divide and take down Oregon youth soccer. Why should these jamokes be in charge of Portland's participation in a new league? So they can screw that up to? Your allegiances to these guys is pretty strong, have they got you under a spell? Promised you to be manager if you didn't complain about them or question them? Why isn't everyone in ECNL asking themselves this question? Do you really trust these guys to not screw it up? They did before. Your kid wrecks your old car that you give him to drive. So what do you do, you buy him a new car and expect him to be different. Brilliant. Johnny Manziel is promising to grow up, yet since he made that promise he's been involved in two more incidents. People don't change.

Why do you keep on excluding Eastside and Westside who were all part of the original member clubs of OPL? If you think that OPL divided Oregon soccer than WST and EST have some responsibility for the divide.

TA does not have a great repuation, but I don't think it is as bad as GW's reputaion. Does anyone respect GW other than MP? If it were not for Caleb Porter GW would be looking for a job.

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It's Elite families not elite players.

Same thing when it comes to women's soccer.

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No they didn't. Nice try to muddy the facts but they didn't. And regardless, Oregon ECNL is being run by some of the buffoons who destroyed Oregon youth soccer. Anyone who thinks ECNL is here to stay in Portland is an idiot. Get new leadership and it stands a chance. I feel like I'm arguing with a five year old. Actually, the maturity levels are similar.

ECNL will be around in Oregon far longer than the Thorns Academy will. The Academy is a "one and done" attempt by GW to throw a screw into people that are a lot smarter than he is. Didn't work and now they'll stop wasting their money.

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Why do you keep on excluding Eastside and Westside who were all part of the original member clubs of OPL? If you think that OPL divided Oregon soccer than WST and EST have some responsibility for the divide.

TA does not have a great repuation, but I don't think it is as bad as GW's reputaion. Does anyone respect GW other than MP? If it were not for Caleb Porter GW would be looking for a job.

Because these guys aren't in charge of our ECNL contribution. So they don't matter. TA, FM and the yokels over at FCP are. This is a fact. And what's also a fact is that TA, FM and the yokels at FCP were involved in the tearing down of Oregon soccer. So if ECNL is the greatest thing to happen to Oregon girls soccer, why are they in charge of it? So should you be surprised if history repeats? If they want to be coaches fine. But don't put them in charge.

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Because these guys aren't in charge of our ECNL contribution. So they don't matter. TA, FM and the yokels over at FCP are. This is a fact. And what's also a fact is that TA, FM and the yokels at FCP were involved in the tearing down of Oregon soccer. So if ECNL is the greatest thing to happen to Oregon girls soccer, why are they in charge of it? So should you be surprised if history repeats? If they want to be coaches fine. But don't put them in charge.

What exactly did they "tear down"? They took control of a situation that was being badly mismanaged by OYSA and created a new league that eventually included 98% of the premier teams in Oregon/SWWA. How exactly is that "tearing down" Oregon soccer? The real shame is that GW and his Timbers flunkies decided they needed to milk more money out of youth soccer so they decided to split off and do their own inbred league. They thought they were all powerful and that everyone else was a bunch of lemmings that would blindly follow them. How's that working out for them? Turns out only half of the people were mindless lemmings who thought it was a great idea to dress their kids up all alike, complete with "TA" patches, and keep them from having the opportunity to play some real soccer teams every once in a while...

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Because these guys aren't in charge of our ECNL contribution. So they don't matter. TA, FM and the yokels over at FCP are. This is a fact. And what's also a fact is that TA, FM and the yokels at FCP were involved in the tearing down of Oregon soccer. So if ECNL is the greatest thing to happen to Oregon girls soccer, why are they in charge of it? So should you be surprised if history repeats? If they want to be coaches fine. But don't put them in charge.

Look, if you don't like what you see at the ECNL clubs, go start your own ECNL club. I'm sure you'll be very successful.

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It's Elite families not elite players.

Nobody said it was for elite players. It's for wealthy families and that's ok.

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Because these guys aren't in charge of our ECNL contribution. So they don't matter. TA, FM and the yokels over at FCP are. This is a fact. And what's also a fact is that TA, FM and the yokels at FCP were involved in the tearing down of Oregon soccer. So if ECNL is the greatest thing to happen to Oregon girls soccer, why are they in charge of it? So should you be surprised if history repeats? If they want to be coaches fine. But don't put them in charge.

They are not in charge of ECNL.

They are DOC's of their club which happens to play in the ECNL.

Your comments and questions are so idiotic.

Your only correct statement is GW and JB do not matter when it comes to girl's soccer.

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In Seattle it's for top players. In Oregon it's for wealthy families. That's just the way it is unfortunately.

$700 per month is a lot of money for working families.

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You should educate yourself take a look at the initial OPL documents.

It would be interesting for folks to look at the original OPL documents. I remember when these changes happened but won't cite some of the crazy stuff because it is impossible to "show evidence". Every time OPL has a change they delete any historical documents. They just pretend history didn't happen apparently.

The most obvious example if you read the bylaws it will talk about "OPL was created by a group of eight, and is now run by the current three clubs. The ordinal document talked about the founding process as well as which clubs and representive were involved.

This just further stretches the credibility of OPL as they continue to revise history to support their bent rather than what has actually happened.

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It would be interesting for folks to look at the original OPL documents. I remember when these changes happened but won't cite some of the crazy stuff because it is impossible to "show evidence". Every time OPL has a change they delete any historical documents. They just pretend history didn't happen apparently.

The most obvious example if you read the bylaws it will talk about "OPL was created by a group of eight, and is now run by the current three clubs. The ordinal document talked about the founding process as well as which clubs and representive were involved.

This just further stretches the credibility of OPL as they continue to revise history to support their bent rather than what has actually happened.

Further proof that if ECNL is to succeed, the "leadership" at the ECNL clubs needs to change. Or that too will suffer a similar fate.

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They are not in charge of ECNL.

They are DOC's of their club which happens to play in the ECNL.

Your comments and questions are so idiotic.

Your only correct statement is GW and JB do not matter when it comes to girl's soccer.

So in three years when ECNL fails here, you will be begging for new leadership. Too late. Incompetence won't cut it. Not at $$$$ a year for the parents. Get new leadership. Or else Oregon youth soccer won't have any hope.

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So in three years when ECNL fails here, you will be begging for new leadership. Too late. Incompetence won't cut it. Not at $$$$ a year for the parents. Get new leadership. Or else Oregon youth soccer won't have any hope.

Do you think the future of Oregon Youth Soccer is dependent on ECNL? A little bit dramatic don't you think? ECNL serves such a small group of players.

You mean in 3 years, the ECNL DOCs will be in the same position as the Washington Timber DOCs?

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No they didn't. Nice try to muddy the facts but they didn't. And regardless, Oregon ECNL is being run by some of the buffoons who destroyed Oregon youth soccer. Anyone who thinks ECNL is here to stay in Portland is an idiot. Get new leadership and it stands a chance. I feel like I'm arguing with a five year old. Actually, the maturity levels are similar.

Gavin and Cony from WST were the ringleaders for creating the OPL. They were also the ringleaders pulling soccer back to OYSA. Who do you think is manipulating youth soccer for personal gain? These same people will probably break Oregon soccer up again in a few years when it no longer suits their goals.

Don't pretend like it was anyone else. Enough people were involved to remember.