U 14 Premier

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Since you are arguing for Medford teams and not for another club in the Premier division from U11 to U14 (boys or girls), please provide some examples of current Rogue Valley Timbers teams that have beaten top 4-5 NPL teams.

I am not saying this hasn't happened, as I don't follow all games at all age groups. Maybe Medford based teams are regularly doing this in summer tournaments as this is the only place you would be matching up with the the top NPL teams since you are not playing them in Fall league play.

But, if Medford teams are not regularly playing these top teams than you have no idea how they match up. For example, look at the current U13 girls NPL division. BSC won the First Division at U12 (renamed Premier Division for this Fall at U13). After moving up to NPL this Fall they compiled the following record of 2 wins, 10 losses, 2 ties. That is a very solid BSC team and would likely finish at the top of this year's Premier Division had they played there. But, the jump from the top of the Premier Division teams to the top 4-5 NPL teams is huge.

For you to say that "leagues are politically determined, there is no real ranking based on skill, it is just your own little illusion to believe as you do" is not looking at the actual on field results. Well, unless you have some to provide us. If those successful weekend trips to Portland while beating Premier level teams turn into consistent losing weekends against NPL level teams, the shine will quickly disappear from your Medford players and parents.

Be careful what you wish for. Those top NPL teams are no joke and simply "competing" with them each weekend gets old when you rarely win games. Be proud of what your boys and girls have accomplished, of course. Nothing wrong with that. But, to come on here boasting that the competition is in Medford makes you look foolish.

I think a lot of us wanted to say what you did, simply didn't want to take the time.

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Tell yourself this if it makes you feel warm and secure, but there have been several games at different age levels where teams at the top of premier have beaten teams at the top of NPL. Because leagues are politically determined, there is no real ranking based on skill, it is just your own little illusion to believe as you do.

I am not basing my comment on Medford teams, I am not from Medford, my son does however play for a premier team that regularly beats NPL top teams. If you are not aware of this happening, you have not been paying attention either by choice or through ignorance.

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I am not basing my comment on Medford teams, I am not from Medford, my son does however play for a premier team that regularly beats NPL top teams. If you are not aware of this happening, you have not been paying attention either by choice or through ignorance.

I think that is great if your son's team is regularly beating top NPL teams. Since they don't play in the same division, you must be referring to various summer tournaments in which they are regularly beating these NPL teams.

So, the question I have is did they finish in the top 2 spots in this Fall's Premier Division? Hopefully that is the case because they would get promoted to the highest division and get to play those top teams every week (well, at least before this crazy OPL/OYSA split).

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I think that is great if your son's team is regularly beating top NPL teams. Since they don't play in the same division, you must be referring to various summer tournaments in which they are regularly beating these NPL teams.

So, the question I have is did they finish in the top 2 spots in this Fall's Premier Division? Hopefully that is the case because they would get promoted to the highest division and get to play those top teams every week (well, at least before this crazy OPL/OYSA split).

Actually they have played the top NPL teams (and beaten them) both in summer tournaments and in friendlies they have played since fall season ended. They finished first in their division so they would get promoted, but they won't waste their time next year with OPL. They had a strong claim to promotion last year, but OPL politics denied their promotion...

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Actually they have played the top NPL teams (and beaten them) both in summer tournaments and in friendlies they have played since fall season ended. They finished first in their division so they would get promoted, but they won't waste their time next year with OPL. They had a strong claim to promotion last year, but OPL politics denied their promotion...

Not being promoted when you don't finish with enough points is not "politics"

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Not being promoted when you don't finish with enough points is not "politics"

I'm pretty sure the team being referred to is the CFC U14B. The results from last fall would actually support them being promoted especially since I hear that the WT Samba team used Copa players to get better results. And from what I hear this team has made it their mission to run every other team in this years Premier division into the ground. But now its CFC Timbers so they can spend their time in OYSA playing the rest of their inbred Timbers brethren. If this team plays the same brand of soccer and the parents as crazy as the CFC team in my son's age group, I'd say goodbye and good riddance.

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I'm pretty sure the team being referred to is the CFC U14B. The results from last fall would actually support them being promoted especially since I hear that the WT Samba team used Copa players to get better results. And from what I hear this team has made it their mission to run every other team in this years Premier division into the ground. But now its CFC Timbers so they can spend their time in OYSA playing the rest of their inbred Timbers brethren. If this team plays the same brand of soccer and the parents as crazy as the CFC team in my son's age group, I'd say goodbye and good riddance.

What Brand of soccer is that? Whenever I have had a chance to see CFC boys teams play it has been an exciting and skilled performance. That makes me curious what experience you have had?

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And from what I hear this team has made it their mission to run every other team in this years Premier division into the ground.

What I have heard from several parents with players on different teams is that the CFC folks have been very friendly towards each team they have played, before the game there have been conversations with coaches where the dilemma from the previous season was shared and the CFC side indicated that their only option is to show the OPL office that they are in the wrong division, the best way to do this is if Parents from other teams contact OPL and talk about how uneven the match is. All these parents shared that they enjoyed watching the CFC boys play.

Again it looks like league politics force results less than ideal

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What I have heard from several parents with players on different teams is that the CFC folks have been very friendly towards each team they have played, before the game there have been conversations with coaches where the dilemma from the previous season was shared and the CFC side indicated that their only option is to show the OPL office that they are in the wrong division, the best way to do this is if Parents from other teams contact OPL and talk about how uneven the match is. All these parents shared that they enjoyed watching the CFC boys play.

Again it looks like league politics force results less than ideal

CFC has some good soccer teams and some good players. Most of the parents are ok. There's just a few that are a little over the top and, let's say overestimate the talent of their kid. Still nice people, though.
Regarding the 14B team, CFC had the opportunity to request the promotion exception and chose not to. Water under the bridge now, as they say, since the season is gone, OYSA is going to run a Spring league, and CFC has sewn a Timbers badge on all their uniforms.

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CFC has some good soccer teams and some good players. Most of the parents are ok. There's just a few that are a little over the top and, let's say overestimate the talent of their kid. Still nice people, though.
Regarding the 14B team, CFC had the opportunity to request the promotion exception and chose not to. Water under the bridge now, as they say, since the season is gone, OYSA is going to run a Spring league, and CFC has sewn a Timbers badge on all their uniforms.

Actually you might check your information, they did request the promotion exception, it was denied, actually other teams offered to give up their spot recognizing that CFC should have had one, yet they were not allowed to do that either. Bottom line is this is a good example of cause and effect...you wonder why CFC made the decision to leave OPL, maybe you ought to consider how OPL administered their policies. Sorry, it makes it harder for you to whine about being the innocent victim when you realize that many clubs felt pushed out the door. CFC is frankly excited about the move, but it might have come about less violently if OPL had given a rip about customer service.

It makes it easy for the Timbers/OYSA because the bar is set so low in the areas of custom service, transparency etc...it will be hard for them not to exceed expectations.

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Actually you might check your information, they did request the promotion exception, it was denied, actually other teams offered to give up their spot recognizing that CFC should have had one, yet they were not allowed to do that either. Bottom line is this is a good example of cause and effect...you wonder why CFC made the decision to leave OPL, maybe you ought to consider how OPL administered their policies. Sorry, it makes it harder for you to whine about being the innocent victim when you realize that many clubs felt pushed out the door. CFC is frankly excited about the move, but it might have come about less violently if OPL had given a rip about customer service.

It makes it easy for the Timbers/OYSA because the bar is set so low in the areas of custom service, transparency etc...it will be hard for them not to exceed expectations.

Strangely the teams that led the fight to deny CFC entry are the same clubs who went back to OYSA. Revenge will be sweet!

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It is really interesting to see how many CFC were placed in lower divisions than they should have been based off of past results.

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It is really interesting to see how many CFC were placed in lower divisions than they should have been based off of past results.

They're a direct threat to WST

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It makes it easy for the Timbers/OYSA because the bar is set so low in the areas of custom service, transparency etc...it will be hard for them not to exceed expectations.

And the Timbers are still failing, even at that...

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It is really interesting to see how many CFC were placed in lower divisions than they should have been based off of past results.

Because OPL had a policy that if you had not played OPL the previous year you MUST play from Premier. As a team the CFC boys went along with that and earned promotion only to have it taken away through politics. This year they have without question earned promotion, but apparently aren't real trusting of the whole OPL administration. Who can blame them?