Nwcl - u14g

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It has less to do with ECNL than the fact that Crossfire is a very strong club with or without ECNL. The point was made about the talent migrating to ECNL clubs. Eastside and other clubs in WA are still stronger than Washington Premier.

Can't argue that Crossfire is an exceptionally strong club.
Are you referring to just the Girls 99 age group?
I believe that WPFC's U16 ECNL team is one of the nations strongest. Your unsubstantiated and broad claim that "Eastside and other clubs in WA" are "stronger than WPFC" is not true across all ages and genders.

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The best players in Oregon are at best middle of the road players in the Seattle area.

This is complete nonsense and not worth the effort to debate. Surely you are just trying to stir the discussion. Otherwise you are simply a fool.

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Can't argue that Crossfire is an exceptionally strong club.
Are you referring to just the Girls 99 age group?
I believe that WPFC's U16 ECNL team is one of the nations strongest. Your unsubstantiated and broad claim that "Eastside and other clubs in WA" are "stronger than WPFC" is not true across all ages and genders.

Since we are talking about ECNL, we are talking about girl's soccer.

Go take a look at State Cup results for the State of Washington last year. How many State Cups did WPFC win? Actually how many WPFC team made it to the the semifinals?

WPFC's 16 ECNL team is one of the nation's strongest is a bit of a stretch. They were ranked 5th in the Northwest Conference with a GD of -3.

Before you choose to "believe" something, you should check the facts.

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Since we are talking about ECNL, we are talking about girl's soccer.

Go take a look at State Cup results for the State of Washington last year. How many State Cups did WPFC win? Actually how many WPFC team made it to the the semifinals?

WPFC's 16 ECNL team is one of the nation's strongest is a bit of a stretch. They were ranked 5th in the Northwest Conference with a GD of -3.

Before you choose to "believe" something, you should check the facts.

Since we are talking about girls soccer and ECNL, you should probably be aware that Crossfire and WPFC's ECNL teams don't participate in the state cup. So at 5 (out of 7) State Championship age groups, WPFC's top team didn't participate. Thus, your comment about the lack of State Cup results on the girls side is virtually meaningless and simply demonstrates your ignorance.

On the boys side, WPFC won 3 State Cups and Crossfire 4. A B team from Crossfire also won a State Cup on the girls side. No other clubs won more State Cups than WPFC and Crossfire. Which simply illustrates how dominant those two clubs are, given that they still win more State Cups than the other clubs, even without their top teams participating in 5 of the 7 girls State Championship age groups.

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It is probably also worth pointing out that in the two oldest age groups prior to ECNL (U12 and U13), the future WPFC ECNL teams were 13-2 with a combined +43 goal differential in NWCL group play this year.

The suggestion that WPFC is not a strong club is simply a joke.

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Since we are talking about ECNL, we are talking about girl's soccer.

Go take a look at State Cup results for the State of Washington last year. How many State Cups did WPFC win? Actually how many WPFC team made it to the the semifinals?

WPFC's 16 ECNL team is one of the nation's strongest is a bit of a stretch. They were ranked 5th in the Northwest Conference with a GD of -3.

Before you choose to "believe" something, you should check the facts.

I do stand corrected (sort of) it was last years U16 team. WPFC '96 ECNL:
From their website:
2012 ECNL National Champions
2013 ECNL NW Conference Champions

Thanks to the other poster for pointing out the lack of ECNL participation in "State Cups".

Best take your own advice and do your homework before mouthing off.
What do you have against WPFC anyway?

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A couple of facts for the person who doesn't think highly of WPFC:

3 USYS National Titles
1 ECNL National Title
1 USYS National Finalist
2 US Club National Finalists
2 USYS National Presidents Cup Finalists
16 USYS Regional Titles
9 USYS Regional Finalists
4 NWCL Titles
100+ USYS State Titles

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I do stand corrected (sort of) it was last years U16 team. WPFC '96 ECNL:
From their website:
2012 ECNL National Champions
2013 ECNL NW Conference Champions

Thanks to the other poster for pointing out the lack of ECNL participation in "State Cups".

Best take your own advice and do your homework before mouthing off.
What do you have against WPFC anyway?

Being clear, that club may not always have the best teams but they have been one of the most consistent clubs putting state championships and top ranked regional teams. They hold the most state championships behind crossfire and has better teams nationally than crossfire.

Really what it boils down to, especially from Oregon those clubs are a joke

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I do stand corrected (sort of) it was last years U16 team. WPFC '96 ECNL:
From their website:
2012 ECNL National Champions
2013 ECNL NW Conference Champions

Thanks to the other poster for pointing out the lack of ECNL participation in "State Cups".

Best take your own advice and do your homework before mouthing off.
What do you have against WPFC anyway?

Interesting because your comment about lack of ECNL participation in "State Cups". The only other ECNL team in Washington is Crossfire and they had some teams in State Cup. And btw, WPFC did as well they just did not advance any teams to the quarterfinals.

I don't have any thing against WPFC. My comment was only that there are better clubs in the Seattle area and that having and that being ECNL does not mean that all the talent will go to your club. The comment about talent going to Crossfire due to ECNL may have some truth to it, but the reality is that even without ECNL Crossfire would still be the top club in the area.

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Where's the beef?

The comment about talent going to Crossfire due to ECNL may have some truth to it, but the reality is that even without ECNL Crossfire would still be the top club in the area.

Absolutely agree with your statement about Crossfire being the top club in the Seattle area. The ECNL is an added bonus for Crossfire's girls side as evidenced by increased player movement from other clubs.

You keep saying that there are other clubs in Seattle that are superior to WPFC. You also have stated others should check their facts b4 posting. I'd like to challenge you to present the facts on what clubs, other than Crossfire, are better / more successful than WPFC?
There is a previous post which lists WPFC's accomplishments, There's your facts on WPFC.
I'd love to see what you come up with.

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A couple of facts for the person who doesn't think highly of WPFC:

3 USYS National Titles
1 ECNL National Title
1 USYS National Finalist
2 US Club National Finalists
2 USYS National Presidents Cup Finalists
16 USYS Regional Titles
9 USYS Regional Finalists
4 NWCL Titles
100+ USYS State Titles

Not sure why your underwear is getting all bunched up. WPFC is a good club. No one said they are not a good club. The comment is that there are stronger clubs up in Washington. Having ECNL does not automatically make you the top club.

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Not sure why your underwear is getting all bunched up. WPFC is a good club. No one said they are not a good club. The comment is that there are stronger clubs up in Washington. Having ECNL does not automatically make you the top club.

No bunching here. Nothing personal.
1) We agree that WPFC is a strong club and that Crossfire is the strongest.
2) Prove your statement that there are stronger clubs than WPFC .... you are the one who suggested checking the facts. I'm simply asking you to substantiate your claim. Crossfire and WPFC are the two strongest Clubs in WA. Facts on WPFC presented .... your turn.
3) Who said that having an ECNL franchise automatically makes you a top club? I think you're the only person trying to draw and dispute that conclusion?
That being said, The ECNL has strict criteria for entrance. Meeting that criteria does suggest that you're one of the best in your geography. That doesn't mean that there won't and can't be other Seattle based clubs that meet the ECNL requirements. Presently, as you know, there are only two in WA: Crossfire & WPFC.

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Interesting because your comment about lack of ECNL participation in "State Cups". The only other ECNL team in Washington is Crossfire and they had some teams in State Cup. And btw, WPFC did as well they just did not advance any teams to the quarterfinals.

I don't have any thing against WPFC. My comment was only that there are better clubs in the Seattle area and that having and that being ECNL does not mean that all the talent will go to your club. The comment about talent going to Crossfire due to ECNL may have some truth to it, but the reality is that even without ECNL Crossfire would still be the top club in the area.

I'll repeat this again for you, slowly. Neither Crossfire or WPFC's ECNL teams participate in State Cups. Any Crossfire team at the ECNL age groups you might see listed in the State Cup standings would be their B teams. If the ECNL teams did participate in the State Cups, the finals would be pretty much exclusively Crossfire ECNL vs. WPFC ECNL.

They were the two strongest clubs before ECNL (which is how they got into the ECNL in the first place). The ECNL makes them even stronger because it attracts strong talent who would otherwise stay with their previous club.

I don't think anyone would make the argument that Crossfire isn't the strongest club in WA. But WPFC is clearly the 2nd strongest.

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Eastside?

I'll repeat this again for you, slowly. Neither Crossfire or WPFC's ECNL teams participate in State Cups. Any Crossfire team at the ECNL age groups you might see listed in the State Cup standings would be their B teams. If the ECNL teams did participate in the State Cups, the finals would be pretty much exclusively Crossfire ECNL vs. WPFC ECNL.

They were the two strongest clubs before ECNL (which is how they got into the ECNL in the first place). The ECNL makes them even stronger because it attracts strong talent who would otherwise stay with their previous club.

I don't think anyone would make the argument that Crossfire isn't the strongest club in WA. But WPFC is clearly the 2nd strongest.

I'll throw Eastside into the conversation. DD has played RCL for 5 years and looking at the results in all age groups for girls Eastside has been stronger over the past 5 years than WPFC. IMHO Eastside FC is the second strongest girls program in the state. Crossfire seems to work hard to keep EFC from getting accepted into ECNL.

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I'll throw Eastside into the conversation. DD has played RCL for 5 years and looking at the results in all age groups for girls Eastside has been stronger over the past 5 years than WPFC. IMHO Eastside FC is the second strongest girls program in the state. Crossfire seems to work hard to keep EFC from getting accepted into ECNL.

You can make an argument (without providing any supporting evidence, other than your own opinion) that Eastside is as strong or stronger than WPFC on the girls side. Given that the ECNL teams in WA don't compete much against the non-ECNL teams, it is hard to compare them based on head-to-head competition, since they don't compete in the same leagues or cups. So there is little to no head-to-head competition between Eastside and WPFC at the ECNL age groups for you to reach your opinion.

There is head-to-head competition at the pre-ECNL age groups. So here is the most recent: At the U11-U13 age groups in NWCL group play, WPFC teams were 16-3-2 with a +45 GD. EFC teams were 12-4-5 with a + 20 GD. Based on NWCL play at the pre-ECNL age groups, WPFC was slightly stronger. And the gap is likely to grow at the ECNL age groups due to the attraction of talent to the ECNL teams.

Eastside provides a very good, recent example of the difference between ECNL and non-ECNL. The Eastside G98 team recently won the USYS National Championship, which is a great accomplishment. A couple of weeks after winning the national championship, they went to Surf Cup where they finished 3rd in their group, behind 2 ECNL teams (i.e., the USYS National Champion didn't make it out of group when vying against ECNL teams). The fabled Onyx team also competed and while they made it out of group, they lost to an ECNL team in the semifinals.

Both finalists at Surf, as well as EVERY finalist at EVERY ECNL age group were ECNL teams.

Does any of the above prove WPFC is stronger than EFC on the girls side? No, but it is more evidence than just your opinion. And none of this is to knock EFC. They have a very strong program and probably belong in the ECNL.