Nwcl - u14g

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You can make an argument (without providing any supporting evidence, other than your own opinion) that Eastside is as strong or stronger than WPFC on the girls side. Given that the ECNL teams in WA don't compete much against the non-ECNL teams, it is hard to compare them based on head-to-head competition, since they don't compete in the same leagues or cups. So there is little to no head-to-head competition between Eastside and WPFC at the ECNL age groups for you to reach your opinion.

There is head-to-head competition at the pre-ECNL age groups. So here is the most recent: At the U11-U13 age groups in NWCL group play, WPFC teams were 16-3-2 with a +45 GD. EFC teams were 12-4-5 with a + 20 GD. Based on NWCL play at the pre-ECNL age groups, WPFC was slightly stronger. And the gap is likely to grow at the ECNL age groups due to the attraction of talent to the ECNL teams.

Eastside provides a very good, recent example of the difference between ECNL and non-ECNL. The Eastside G98 team recently won the USYS National Championship, which is a great accomplishment. A couple of weeks after winning the national championship, they went to Surf Cup where they finished 3rd in their group, behind 2 ECNL teams (i.e., the USYS National Champion didn't make it out of group when vying against ECNL teams). The fabled Onyx team also competed and while they made it out of group, they lost to an ECNL team in the semifinals.

Both finalists at Surf, as well as EVERY finalist at EVERY ECNL age group were ECNL teams.

Does any of the above prove WPFC is stronger than EFC on the girls side? No, but it is more evidence than just your opinion. And none of this is to knock EFC. They have a very strong program and probably belong in the ECNL.

Come on man, get your facts correct.

For NWCL for WPFC:

U11 #4
U12 #1
U13 #6
U14 Non existent, they are Division 2

Just because every finalist for Surf Cup was an ECNL team does not mean the WPFC is one of those teams.

I do agree that Eastside is a better club. Just take a look at their head to head matches against WPFC and the number of players that end up in college.

Eastside did have an option to join ECNL, but they turned it down.

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Come on man, get your facts correct.

For NWCL for WPFC:

U11 #4
U12 #1
U13 #6
U14 Non existent, they are Division 2

Just because every finalist for Surf Cup was an ECNL team does not mean the WPFC is one of those teams.

I do agree that Eastside is a better club. Just take a look at their head to head matches against WPFC and the number of players that end up in college.

Eastside did have an option to join ECNL, but they turned it down.

The facts as I stated them were correct. "At the U11-U13 age groups in NWCL group play, WPFC teams were 16-3-2 with a +45 GD. EFC teams were 12-4-5 with a + 20 GD. Based on NWCL play at the pre-ECNL age groups, WPFC was slightly stronger. And the gap is likely to grow at the ECNL age groups due to the attraction of talent to the ECNL teams."

Now lets go to your facts:

"For NWCL for WPFC:

U11 #4
U12 #1
U13 #6
U14 Non existent, they are Division 2"

The problem with your "facts" is you left out the comparison with EFC. The comparison is:

U11 WPFC #4, EFC #5.
U12 WPFC #1, EFC #4.
U13 WPFC #6, EFC #5.

Sum those up and you get the same results. WPFC has performed better in the NWCL than Eastside.

U14 and above: No ECNL teams are participating in NWCL.

Your next "fact" was to state (without providing any evidence) to "just look at their head to head matches." OK, let's do that. They don't play each other after U13 because the ECNL teams play ECNL, not RCL. This fall, at the U11-U13 ages, WPFC is 2-1 so far against EFC.

Therefore, based on actual facts rather than your unsubstantiated assertions, at the pre-ECNL age groups, WPFC is performing better than EFC in both the NWCL and head-to-head. And of course, at the ECNL ages, the ECNL teams get stronger while the non-ECNL teams lose talent to the ECNL teams, or if they are lucky, hold on to what they've got. Or maybe when you were talking about the results of head to head competition you were talking about EFC against WPFC B teams at the ECNL age groups?

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The facts as I stated them were correct. "At the U11-U13 age groups in NWCL group play, WPFC teams were 16-3-2 with a +45 GD. EFC teams were 12-4-5 with a + 20 GD. Based on NWCL play at the pre-ECNL age groups, WPFC was slightly stronger. And the gap is likely to grow at the ECNL age groups due to the attraction of talent to the ECNL teams."

Now lets go to your facts:

"For NWCL for WPFC:

U11 #4
U12 #1
U13 #6
U14 Non existent, they are Division 2"

The problem with your "facts" is you left out the comparison with EFC. The comparison is:

U11 WPFC #4, EFC #5.
U12 WPFC #1, EFC #4.
U13 WPFC #6, EFC #5.

Sum those up and you get the same results. WPFC has performed better in the NWCL than Eastside.

U14 and above: No ECNL teams are participating in NWCL.

Maybe the Fact Checker should check his facts, but at U15 and above both Crossfire and WPFC ECNL teams, not the ECNL Reserves, are registered for NWCL

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Or maybe when you were talking about the results of head to head competition you were talking about EFC against WPFC B teams at the ECNL age groups?

I agree. EFC A teams are probably better in most cases than WPFC B teams.

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Maybe the Fact Checker should check his facts, but at U15 and above both Crossfire and WPFC ECNL teams, not the ECNL Reserves, are registered for NWCL

I don't see anything on the NWCL website that indicates who is registered at U15 and above. But given that neither Crossfire or WPFC's ECNL teams participated at U14, I find it unlikely that ECNL teams will be participating at U15 and above. Or maybe Mr. "unsubstantiated assertion" can substantiate this one with a link?

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I thought NWCL only went U11-U14 starting this year and older teams, U15 and above, are encouraged to do Greg Ion's "Showcase of Champions"? Correct me if I'm wrong.

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I don't see anything on the NWCL website that indicates who is registered at U15 and above. But given that neither Crossfire or WPFC's ECNL teams participated at U14, I find it unlikely that ECNL teams will be participating at U15 and above. Or maybe Mr. "unsubstantiated assertion" can substantiate this one with a link?

WPFC had their ECNL team there for the first leg of the tournament and for the semi-final. They had their B team play for them in the Washington leg of the tournament.

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I thought NWCL only went U11-U14 starting this year and older teams, U15 and above, are encouraged to do Greg Ion's "Showcase of Champions"? Correct me if I'm wrong.

My dd's team is U15 and they're in NWCL this winter. I believe the first game is in mid December.

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WPFC had their ECNL team there for the first leg of the tournament and for the semi-final. They had their B team play for them in the Washington leg of the tournament.

That was last year's NWCL, when both Crossfire and WPFC's U14 ECNL teams participated in the NWCL. This year, neither Crossfire nor WPFC's U14 ECNL teams participated. U15 and above, the ECNL teams have never participated in the NWCL.

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I don't see anything on the NWCL website that indicates who is registered at U15 and above. But given that neither Crossfire or WPFC's ECNL teams participated at U14, I find it unlikely that ECNL teams will be participating at U15 and above. Or maybe Mr. "unsubstantiated assertion" can substantiate this one with a link?

NWCL for orders begins in December.
U15 North - WPFC ECNL, Crossfire ECNL, NW United, Eastside FC (WA), Seattle United
U15 South - Crossfire OR, Coquitlam BC, FCSC, OR Rush, THUSC Onyx

U16 North - WPFC ECNL, Crossfire ECNL, FC Edmonds, Eastside FC, FWFC
U16 South - Cascade FC, Crossfire OR, FC Portland, Coquitlam BC, THUSC Iridium

U17 North - WPFC ECNL, Crossfire ECNL, CWS Academy, NW Nationals
U17 South - FC Portland, XFire OR 1, XFire OR 2, THUSC Mercury

U18 North - WPFC ECNL, Crossfire ECNL, Soccer Edge Academy, WT Timbers, NW Nationals
U18 South - EMFC, Crossfire OR, THUSC Sodium, Coquitlam

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I agree. EFC A teams are probably better in most cases than WPFC B teams.

This is a U14 thread. WPFC U14 team is 2nd division and is worst than Eastside's B team.

You have absolutely no clue about clubs in Washington if you think WPFC is even close to Eastside.

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This is a U14 thread. WPFC U14 team is 2nd division and is worst than Eastside's B team.

You have absolutely no clue about clubs in Washington if you think WPFC is even close to Eastside.

Talk about clueless. WPFC's G99 A team has beat EFC's B team every time they've played them, always by multiple goals. Most recent results:

League play this fall, WPFC 3-1
Rainier Challenge last summer, WPFC 2-0
League play fall 2012, WPFC 4-0, and 2-0

They are 5-0 in fall RCL play. EFC B is 4-2-1.

Further, this fall, the U14 ECNL team basically uses the RCL games for training. Their discovery player doesn't come. They play the kids who don't get to play as much in the ECNL games. They try different formations. When they get a big lead (like when they went up 3-0 on EFC), they put players in completely different positions (e.g., forwards moved to defense and vice versa).

For you to come on here and say the U14 WPFC ECNL team is "worst" (sic) than the EFC B team is an absolute joke. They don't even have to break a sweat to beat that team.

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Talk about clueless. WPFC's G99 A team has beat EFC's B team every time they've played them, always by multiple goals. Most recent results:

League play this fall, WPFC 3-1
Rainier Challenge last summer, WPFC 2-0
League play fall 2012, WPFC 4-0, and 2-0

They are 5-0 in fall RCL play. EFC B is 4-2-1.

Further, this fall, the U14 ECNL team basically uses the RCL games for training. Their discovery player doesn't come. They play the kids who don't get to play as much in the ECNL games. They try different formations. When they get a big lead (like when they went up 3-0 on EFC), they put players in completely different positions (e.g., forwards moved to defense and vice versa).

For you to come on here and say the U14 WPFC ECNL team is "worst" (sic) than the EFC B team is an absolute joke. They don't even have to break a sweat to beat that team.

And that is why the team is playing 2nd division. Get a clue. We are talking about U14. The 99 team.

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Talk about clueless. WPFC's G99 A team has beat EFC's B team every time they've played them, always by multiple goals. Most recent results:

League play this fall, WPFC 3-1
Rainier Challenge last summer, WPFC 2-0
League play fall 2012, WPFC 4-0, and 2-0

They are 5-0 in fall RCL play. EFC B is 4-2-1.

Further, this fall, the U14 ECNL team basically uses the RCL games for training. Their discovery player doesn't come. They play the kids who don't get to play as much in the ECNL games. They try different formations. When they get a big lead (like when they went up 3-0 on EFC), they put players in completely different positions (e.g., forwards moved to defense and vice versa).

For you to come on here and say the U14 WPFC ECNL team is "worst" (sic) than the EFC B team is an absolute joke. They don't even have to break a sweat to beat that team.

Yes, WPFC is killing it in RCL Division 2. That is because they played so well last fall dominating all of the other Seattle area teams.

Too bad that Eastside A team is playing in RCL Division 1 or else I am sure that WPFC would probably beat them and would not even break a sweat.

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Yes, WPFC is killing it in RCL Division 2. That is because they played so well last fall dominating all of the other Seattle area teams.

Too bad that Eastside A team is playing in RCL Division 1 or else I am sure that WPFC would probably beat them and would not even break a sweat.

I think you meant last spring when they were Division 1 but got relegated to Division 2. No, they certainly didn't dominate anybody last spring, but nobody dominated them either. They had 3 draws and 4 losses, none of which were by more than one goal.

But that was last spring. They are a way different team now than they were then. While they certainly did not accumulate the same amount of talent as Crossfire ECNL, they have more talent and much more depth than they had last year. They were competitive with everybody in Division 1 last year. They are better this year. Other than Crossfire, Division 1 is weaker this year. You do the math.

Look, I didn't start this. I responded with facts to the claims that WPFC as a club isn't as strong as other Seattle clubs. I didn't even mention the U14 team in my rebuttal. Then some numbskull tried to claim that the WPFC U14 ECNL team is "worst" than Eastside's B team, which is absolutely ridiculous. They are certainly no Crossfire, but right now I'd say they are as good if not better than anybody else. And next year, there is likely to be little question they are better than anybody else.