Broken News: OPL State Cup

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Rec, is that why the two best team in the state, by the best team in the state from WSM went OYSA state cup last year? When given a choice

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Rec, is that why the two best team in the state, by the best team in the state from WSM went OYSA state cup last year? When given a choice

LOL!! And they faced no competition! What does that say about OYSA!!!

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Systems Normal All Fouled Up.

The hostility of your post tells me that you are way to close to the OPC to understand what a laughing stock Oregon is in the National youth soccer community. Yes all of you directors can go to your meetings and get pats on the back for expanding US Club and a few of you get to cash in $100K salaries but *** have you done for the kids and the actual development of youth soccer in the state?

Since the start of OPL:

Are our teams MORE successful out of state? NFW

On the girls side are we sending more kids to D1 college programs?....Less actually!

Do we have a club strong enough for ECNL membership? Not yet and with zero help from OPL.

On the boys side are we developing more pro pro prospects? ...The same but not more!

Has the OPC developed a funding source to reduce the cost of pay to play? No.

So where are the benefits other than there are different people doing the SAME things?

Is the OPC more transparent? Yeah right!

It's a very sad story that the egos and personality conflict of ADULTS continues to hurt the kids......very very sad indeed!

BTW I am not a OYSA staffer just a person that can see the forest for the trees!

Do you have any idea how much coaches make in SoCal? Coaches, not DOC's!

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OPL vs OYSA

To me it comes down to one simple factor in why OPL is better than OYSA -- competition. I am glad our club and our team participate in the OPL and anything different would be going back to Kick and Chase

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I agree 100% with the competition analysis. That is why my child plays ECNL out of Seattle. Since the OPL was created by the large PDX clubs in Oregon it makes sense that the best teams are there. The problem comes in when you play at a high level. Even OPL only provides 1 to 2 teams max in any given that can provide any challenge at all. It actually gets boring to play the same two teams over and over and kill everyone else.

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To me it comes down to one simple factor in why OPL is better than OYSA -- competition. I am glad our club and our team participate in the OPL and anything different would be going back to Kick and Chase

But their the same teams as before when we were all under OYSA. Nothing has changed. Their league has NOT changed a thing, other then where the profit goes.

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kool aid

The OPL Kool-Aid, "the best teams play in the OPL that is why we play there" Fact, these are the same teams that played in OYSA.

Fact, the two best boys team from WSM, when given a choice went oysa for regionals because it was better than US Club.

So shouldn't we all go back to OYSA, the same teams that are OPL will be there again so same competition. Better playoff system.

Plus we will all know were our money is going.

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You pay to have your player evaluated at tryouts (some are free). Then your child is selected to be a customer of theirs and placed on a team. At that time you are TOLD what it is that they will do (games, leagues, tourneys, coach, etc.) and what it is that it will cost. If you select this option, you are under contract and obligated to perform (and so are they). If you do not like, nor agree with any of the terms you have the right NOT to accept their offer and go elsewhere. Should they fail to perform as agreed, you might be entitled to a refund of some sort.

So I am entitled to a refund from OPL because they have not performed as they said they would? I am not talking about the performance of my club, I am talking about the league performance.

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The OPL Kool-Aid, "the best teams play in the OPL that is why we play there" Fact, these are the same teams that played in OYSA.

Fact, the two best boys team from WSM, when given a choice went oysa for regionals because it was better than US Club.

So shouldn't we all go back to OYSA, the same teams that are OPL will be there again so same competition. Better playoff system.

Plus we will all know were our money is going.

We sure do.... it is going to pay for a bloated staff (not these days, but was when the split occurred) and to subsidize rec soccer.

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We sure do.... it is going to pay for a bloated staff (not these days, but was when the split occurred) and to subsidize rec soccer.

And now our OPL money is going to subsidize the Timbers DA program. Which is worse? Girls soccer paying for boys or subsidizing rec soccer?

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The OPL Kool-Aid, "the best teams play in the OPL that is why we play there" Fact, these are the same teams that played in OYSA.

Fact, the two best boys team from WSM, when given a choice went oysa for regionals because it was better than US Club.

So shouldn't we all go back to OYSA, the same teams that are OPL will be there again so same competition. Better playoff system.

Plus we will all know were our money is going.

Anybody who wants to go back to OYSA, other than those that drew a salary from OYSA, is either forgetting what was left behind, or didn't have much experience with it. It wasn't better. It was worse. Sure we knew where the money was going -- in staff salary and overhead. They were inflexible and difficult to deal with. I don't miss OYSA at all.

For the vast majority of teams, the OPL state cup is a better experience for the simple reason that the teams in it are better. That is the playoff system. The OYSA state cup is now so diminished that it's not really a serious tournament. The WSM teams being talked about won their championship games by 6 or 7 to 0 and it probably could have been double digits. Further, there's nothing about OPL at the league level that precluded teams from doing both if they thought that the OYSA regional and national championships were worth playing for. More than one OPL team did both and at least one did only OYSA.

Since only two Oregon teams have ever won USYS national championships and not very many more have won regionals the idea that Oregon teams who "can't do regionals" are being deprived some great competitive opportunity, is a stretch. I suppose you were deprived of finding out where you stack up against top competition but that's no reason to resurrect OYSA control over competitive soccer on a week in week out basis. Plus, if you're dead set on finding the best competition you can do both OPL and OYSA or you could go to Surf, Dallas or Disney. Surf, Dallas and Disney are all cheaper than regionals and if you can't win there, you probably weren't going to win Region IV or nationals anyway. How many Oregon teams have won the super group in any of those tournaments - one, two?

With respect to US Club, for all the talk about how bad the US Club National Championships are, how many Oregon teams have actually won the top group in that tournament. I think that answer is two. So before talking about how bad it is, go win it first.

The primary benefit to youth soccer is in the organization and competition at the league and state tournament level. In my experience, OPL does that better than OYSA did.

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Not Back but Forward

Anybody who wants to go back to OYSA, other than those that drew a salary from OYSA, is either forgetting what was left behind, or didn't have much experience with it. It wasn't better. It was worse. Sure we knew where the money was going -- in staff salary and overhead. They were inflexible and difficult to deal with. I don't miss OYSA at all.

For the vast majority of teams, the OPL state cup is a better experience for the simple reason that the teams in it are better. That is the playoff system. The OYSA state cup is now so diminished that it's not really a serious tournament. The WSM teams being talked about won their championship games by 6 or 7 to 0 and it probably could have been double digits. Further, there's nothing about OPL at the league level that precluded teams from doing both if they thought that the OYSA regional and national championships were worth playing for. More than one OPL team did both and at least one did only OYSA.

Since only two Oregon teams have ever won USYS national championships and not very many more have won regionals the idea that Oregon teams who "can't do regionals" are being deprived some great competitive opportunity, is a stretch. I suppose you were deprived of finding out where you stack up against top competition but that's no reason to resurrect OYSA control over competitive soccer on a week in week out basis. Plus, if you're dead set on finding the best competition you can do both OPL and OYSA or you could go to Surf, Dallas or Disney. Surf, Dallas and Disney are all cheaper than regionals and if you can't win there, you probably weren't going to win Region IV or nationals anyway. How many Oregon teams have won the super group in any of those tournaments - one, two?

With respect to US Club, for all the talk about how bad the US Club National Championships are, how many Oregon teams have actually won the top group in that tournament. I think that answer is two. So before talking about how bad it is, go win it first.

The primary benefit to youth soccer is in the organization and competition at the league and state tournament level. In my experience, OPL does that better than OYSA did.

Nobody, including OYSA, is asking to go back to the old relationship. OYSA has agreed to let the OPC run the show but the OPC thought the fee paid for the USYS label was too much.

The issue comes down to WHO is getting paid and the crew at OPC simply doesn’t want to give up a position or two to help fund the OYSA feeder system.

IMO until the OPC provides more support to member clubs and players they are a net negative to Oregon soccer.

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Who & Where

To me it comes down to one simple factor in why OPL is better than OYSA -- competition. I am glad our club and our team participate in the OPL and anything different would be going back to Kick and Chase

The only "difference" is the NWCL which was and is available through OYSA so that argument is LAME!

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The only "difference" is the NWCL which was and is available through OYSA so that argument is LAME!

Not true. How do you qualify if you don't play in the OPL? You don't!

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What should OPL be doing that they currently are not?

Seems to me that they are providing a league and a few tournaments that club teams can play in. Beyond that what else do they "owe" to soccer in Oregon? There is so much talk about them ruining soccer in Oregon but all they basically did was take over the running of a league and added their own State Cup and Directors Cup. The running of leagues outside the state associations, OYSA for example, has been going on for years in other areas. In fact most of the state associations stay out of the league business and leave this to other entitities. They then focus on being the registration body, ODP, State Cup etc