Broken News: OPL State Cup

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Like the OPC as USYS members would be shut out

Not true. How do you qualify if you don't play in the OPL? You don't!

The NWCL was a creation of the great 8 and would STILL be availabe!

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What should OPL be doing that they currently are not?

Seems to me that they are providing a league and a few tournaments that club teams can play in. Beyond that what else do they "owe" to soccer in Oregon? There is so much talk about them ruining soccer in Oregon but all they basically did was take over the running of a league and added their own State Cup and Directors Cup. The running of leagues outside the state associations, OYSA for example, has been going on for years in other areas. In fact most of the state associations stay out of the league business and leave this to other entitities. They then focus on being the registration body, ODP, State Cup etc

The OPL could and should be working to reduce costs and to support ODP.

The OPL should NOT be subsidizing the Portland Timbers and DA programs.

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Not true. How do you qualify if you don't play in the OPL? You don't!

You call Greg Ion and say "Hey, I've got a great team and want to play in NWCL". The OPL gets 4 spots in NWCL; that doesn't mean that other Oregon teams can't be accepted. How do you think VT gets some of their teams in NWCL??

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Opting out of their responsibilites

What should OPL be doing that they currently are not?

Seems to me that they are providing a league and a few tournaments that club teams can play in. Beyond that what else do they "owe" to soccer in Oregon? There is so much talk about them ruining soccer in Oregon but all they basically did was take over the running of a league and added their own State Cup and Directors Cup. The running of leagues outside the state associations, OYSA for example, has been going on for years in other areas. In fact most of the state associations stay out of the league business and leave this to other entitities. They then focus on being the registration body, ODP, State Cup etc

When you take over a portion of an organization that served the ENTIRE state you owe the ENTIRE state an avenue to participate in a similar manner as before. Instead what the OPC did was take the cream off the top and tell the rest to fend for themselves.
When you undermine the organization that supports ALL levels of soccer in the state you have to acknowledge that your actions have consequences for the future of soccer. The OPL should be paying a fee to support pre-premier level soccer otherwise that are saying “we get to ride for free

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You call Greg Ion and say "Hey, I've got a great team and want to play in NWCL". The OPL gets 4 spots in NWCL; that doesn't mean that other Oregon teams can't be accepted. How do you think VT gets some of their teams in NWCL??

They qualify as WA teams

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Not a State Association

What should OPL be doing that they currently are not?

Seems to me that they are providing a league and a few tournaments that club teams can play in. Beyond that what else do they "owe" to soccer in Oregon? There is so much talk about them ruining soccer in Oregon but all they basically did was take over the running of a league and added their own State Cup and Directors Cup. The running of leagues outside the state associations, OYSA for example, has been going on for years in other areas. In fact most of the state associations stay out of the league business and leave this to other entitities. They then focus on being the registration body, ODP, State Cup etc

Since OPL is not governed as a State Association they need to deliver on the promises of an improved soccer experience for their members. They have the ability to develop League wide funding sources to defray individual costs and provide expanded scholarships that individual clubs could not accomplish on their own. (think PAC 12 TV contract)

Since they are “in charge” of the member clubs they should be working to improve coaching via clinic’s like those provided by USYS. Similarly they should be providing accounting and club management systems to member clubs.
You see there is so much more they “could” do to deliver on their promise of a better competitive soccer experience.

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Opportunity Lost

What should OPL be doing that they currently are not?

Seems to me that they are providing a league and a few tournaments that club teams can play in. Beyond that what else do they "owe" to soccer in Oregon? There is so much talk about them ruining soccer in Oregon but all they basically did was take over the running of a league and added their own State Cup and Directors Cup. The running of leagues outside the state associations, OYSA for example, has been going on for years in other areas. In fact most of the state associations stay out of the league business and leave this to other entitities. They then focus on being the registration body, ODP, State Cup etc

Since OPL is not governed as a State Association they need to deliver on the promises of an improved soccer experience for their members. They have the ability to develop League wide funding sources to defray individual costs and provide expanded scholarships that individual clubs could not accomplish on their own. (think PAC 12 TV contract)

Since they are “in charge” of the member clubs they should be working to improve coaching via clinic’s like those provided by USYS. Similarly they should be providing accounting and club management systems to member clubs.
You see there is so much more they “could” do to deliver on their promise of a better competitive soccer experience.

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When you take over a portion of an organization that served the ENTIRE state you owe the ENTIRE state an avenue to participate in a similar manner as before. Instead what the OPC did was take the cream off the top and tell the rest to fend for themselves.
When you undermine the organization that supports ALL levels of soccer in the state you have to acknowledge that your actions have consequences for the future of soccer. The OPL should be paying a fee to support pre-premier level soccer otherwise that are saying “we get to ride for free

Sorry but I completely disagree with this statement. Don't believe they owe that to anyone, look at other states and there are numerous examples of clubs banding together and forming leagues to play one another. Reasons seem to be geography, philosophy, cutting costs, schedule and calendar control etc. Some of those leagues are only for the clubs that set them up further excluding clubs that are not part of the original group. Not sure if the OPL "8" could have done this but glad that they didn't or my son's team would be left playing against inferior opponents or forced to play for one of the "8" clubs which none of them are that close to where we live.

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What "different" Teams

Sorry but I completely disagree with this statement. Don't believe they owe that to anyone, look at other states and there are numerous examples of clubs banding together and forming leagues to play one another. Reasons seem to be geography, philosophy, cutting costs, schedule and calendar control etc. Some of those leagues are only for the clubs that set them up further excluding clubs that are not part of the original group. Not sure if the OPL "8" could have done this but glad that they didn't or my son's team would be left playing against inferior opponents or forced to play for one of the "8" clubs which none of them are that close to where we live.

Outside of the NWCL games what "new" teams does your son play that his club didn't prior?

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I'll spell it out for you!

Sorry but I completely disagree with this statement. Don't believe they owe that to anyone, look at other states and there are numerous examples of clubs banding together and forming leagues to play one another. Reasons seem to be geography, philosophy, cutting costs, schedule and calendar control etc. Some of those leagues are only for the clubs that set them up further excluding clubs that are not part of the original group. Not sure if the OPL "8" could have done this but glad that they didn't or my son's team would be left playing against inferior opponents or forced to play for one of the "8" clubs which none of them are that close to where we live.

A weak rec program leads to a weak premier program and there is no way to argue that. When you undermine the ability of OYSA to support rec programs you undermine the quantity and quality of the FUTURE premier players!

Get it now?

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A weak rec program leads to a weak premier program and there is no way to argue that. When you undermine the ability of OYSA to support rec programs you undermine the quantity and quality of the FUTURE premier players!

Get it now?

Disagree. Most rec programs are filled with "soccer dads" and moms. They don't know how to coach kids and aren't developing them. They do foster an environment for kids to fall in love with the sport.

Rec programs are doing fine. OYSA provides minimal support - if any for these programs.

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If you only knew

Disagree. Most rec programs are filled with "soccer dads" and moms. They don't know how to coach kids and aren't developing them. They do foster an environment for kids to fall in love with the sport.

Rec programs are doing fine. OYSA provides minimal support - if any for these programs.

I served 3 years on the Board of a rec program and can tell you that the organization and training opportunities that OYSA provided made our club better and all parent coaches better as a result.

Unless you have been there you have no F'n idea how bad it would be without their help because "they" have always been there operating "in the back ground" during your ENTIRE soccer experience!

OYSA, USYS and US Club are the foundations upon which the entire American youth soccer experience is currently built. Any time we weaken that foundation we as a State or Nation take a step backwards.

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Neanderthals & Fire

Disagree. Most rec programs are filled with "soccer dads" and moms. They don't know how to coach kids and aren't developing them. They do foster an environment for kids to fall in love with the sport.

Rec programs are doing fine. OYSA provides minimal support - if any for these programs.

Stop trying to argue with the OPL is the best thing since sliced bread crowd. It's like trying to teach a Neanderthal the benefits of cooking their meat.....why take the time or effort when you can just gobble it down...who cares about disease!

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Most rec programs are filled with "soccer dads" and moms. They don't know how to coach kids and aren't developing them. They do foster an environment for kids to fall in love with the sport.

And where do you think that your super skilled coach started learning his love for the sport and those unrealistic skills he/she tries to instill in your child ? They were taught early on to love the game by those volunteer moms/dads that were given FREE lessons by paid individuals of organizations like OYSA, that were in part funded by your participation in their programs.

If you don't support those in the very beginning, there wont be anyone to support down the road. The OPL does nothing towards that state wide.

This is NOT a group of "some" clubs banning together because of geographic presence or location forming a league so their teams have some resemblance of non-chaotic gathering each week (like Southern Oregon does). This is group of men, representing the [largest] clubs they are employed by to form an organization that it's profits benefit no one else but themselves or the very organization they represent for the sole purpose of collecting and keeping to themselves that very profit and not giving back one thin dime to help propagate and/or educate everyone they effect.

If it was just their own clubs playing in their league would be one thing, but it's not.

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They qualify as WA teams

Not always.