Broken News: OPL State Cup

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Also untrue: The clubs benefit from the money being made by OPL. I have no idea where this $ is going? Maybe straight into the DOC's pockets? That wouldn't surprise me at all. But it is completely false that any of this is flowing back to the 8 clubs.

Yeah heard they each were making 60K from the OPL, come on people

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Yeah heard they each were making 60K from the OPL, come on people

As I said, I do not know where it is going. Go look at financial statements for the clubs. There is no money flowing from the OPL into the 8 clubs. So where is it going? There are things we can prove/view (non-profit financials) and those we can't (mutual benefit corporations financials). Until that time, there will always be the suspicion that the money accrued by the OPL is going to the clubs or directly to the 8 council members. All I was stating is that it is NOT flowing into the clubs.

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As I said, I do not know where it is going. Go look at financial statements for the clubs. There is no money flowing from the OPL into the 8 clubs. So where is it going? There are things we can prove/view (non-profit financials) and those we can't (mutual benefit corporations financials). Until that time, there will always be the suspicion that the money accrued by the OPL is going to the clubs or directly to the 8 council members. All I was stating is that it is NOT flowing into the clubs.

Directly !!! It could be that the OPL is playing some of the clubs expenses (i.e. field rental, admin payrol, office overhead, etc.)

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Yeah heard they each were making 60K from the OPL, come on people

No, but the OPL is paying the Timbers 60k to subsidize the DA program.

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Great Minds

GW is one of the greatest minds in soccer. Not only did he use the OPC as a puppet to create the OPL and destroy OYSA, he managed to get the OPL to fund the DA. Then gets the rights for ODP, a nice revenue stream for his millionaire boss. We all wonder why MP sticks with him. The Timbers are one of the worst teams in MLS but GW puts money in MP's pocket.

Give credit where credit is due. The Timbers didn’t force you to give them your money they just laid a trail of sweet delicious candy for you to eat and you ate every single piece until you realized it gave you the $h!t$ and now your broke.
Wake up, this isn’t the old NASL Timbers, these aren’t the Timbers we fell in love with back in the 70’s. The Timbers were named after the loggers, we should call this new era the Portland Used Car Salesman.

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And people wonder why OPL is so weak.

I'm not sure there is much wondering...OPL shows us every day why they are weak. Right before they gloat about being the only game in town. Isn't it wonderful what we have done to ourselves?

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I'm not sure there is much wondering...OPL shows us every day why they are weak. Right before they gloat about being the only game in town. Isn't it wonderful what we have done to ourselves?

How exactly does the OPL reduce the quality of coaching or competition in Oregon? Please explain.

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First of all, I'm not sure how long your child played with OYSA or how closely you worked with them. I'll assume that your child is u17+ to really have a valid opinion of what the difference was.


Better Refs - absolutely. Do you know how many regional, DA, Collegiate+ refs that we have in Oregon now? Do you know how many we had prior?
If you're talking quantity, then you're right, it's the exact same.

Sorry I have to disagree on the refs. It is now routine to have only two refs at a game. I don't want to argue the quality, because anyone who has experience with soccer will acknowledge that it is rare for anyone to walk away and marvel at the quality of a ref, not a dig at them in any means, but they are in the hotseat. My point of evaluation here is quantity and timeliness. We had many games where the game would be delayed waiting for the refs, and again I can't remember the last time I SAW A THREE MAN CREW.

State Cup - No difference. Still have all the same teams playing each other for bragging rights of who's the best in Oregon.

There is a huge difference with all cup play. The issue is at many levels you do have a split. The way Steel gets stronger is hitting steel over and over. For the best development of our teams they need to constantly be playing teams at their level, not teams that "someone's DOC wanted them in top division.

Regionals - this was biggest loss of moving to the OPL, having seen the rest of the teams that were at Regionals last year, it looks like most of the states are deciding to make the same cuts. California has a large majority of their teams elite programs no longer competing in the USYSA State tournaments (this doesn't mean that So Cal is weak in any way, they still swept Regionals). Smaller states are becoming much stronger and more competitive in these arenas. Competition is not the same it was 5 years ago, but it's still better than US Club Regionals by a LONG SHOT

I find it comical when people come on a forum and talk about a large majority of California teams. For those who don't know California is very BIG. They can pull their academy teams out of the mix, and still have multiple levels of Academy level teams for everyone else to play. The (repeating) national champion for U-15 LAST YEAR was not their state champion.

Nationals - USYSA still has the best Nationals, tell me how many OR teams have missed out on a chance to go to Nationals due to the OPL? ZERO!!! On this matter OPL and OYSA have allowed all of our top regionally competitive teams to compete. No argument, no loss.

Scheduling - Words cannot express how much better the scheduling has become, how many less fines are being imposed, and how many less complaints. There will always be issues with schedule in any organization. You can't make everybody happy! To understand the difference you have to understand how the past system was operated and run. If you don't have an understanding of this, it is hard to criticize. OPL Wins in scheduling, by a long shot!

Scheduling is a joke...I heard recently about teams playing in the director's cup who showed up for their Final game in horrible rainy weather and the lights at Westview (5:00PM on a sunday night) were not on. The kids played in the dark for 15 minutes or so, and then sat for 30 minutes until someone showed up to turn the lights on. Beautiful scheduling.

I have worked on the OYSA Staff, many of them are dear friends of mine, I have kids that have played in OYSA and OPL. I have spent a significant amount of time around both sides. I would love to hear your honest experiences with both. Not a made up talking-soccer entity.

None of my comments are meant as personal disparagement, I am convinced everyone involved is doing what they think is best, but I hold firm that OPL is far worse than OYSA ever was.

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None of my comments are meant as personal disparagement, I am convinced everyone involved is doing what they think is best, but I hold firm that OPL is far worse than OYSA ever was.

We only played in the OYSA leagues 1 year and the OPL since so Im not a veteran by any means. But OYSA had far less issues then the OPL does. Maybe we were just lucky that final year.

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How exactly does the OPL reduce the quality of coaching or competition in Oregon? Please explain.

Separation and Division.

As a player, you either play in one league or the other (few do both in the spring), so your not playing everyone (good and bad) throughout the year. How is that good for the sport or development of your player ?

The same with the clubs. You either work for a club that plays in one of the leagues or the other and your club stands by that organization. If your a freelance coach, you wont be one for long if you cross an OPL club more then once. They have proven that fact a few times.

OYSA offered the OPL last year all of the competitive soccer in the state in hopes of getting all playing one another. The OPL declined it. All OYSA wanted was all the player cards (at the same price we pay for US CLUB cards) and a split of state cup tourney monies. OPL could keep all the revenue from the leagues.

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Separation and Division.

As a player, you either play in one league or the other (few do both in the spring), so your not playing everyone (good and bad) throughout the year. How is that good for the sport or development of your player ?

The same with the clubs. You either work for a club that plays in one of the leagues or the other and your club stands by that organization. If your a freelance coach, you wont be one for long if you cross an OPL club more then once. They have proven that fact a few times.

OYSA offered the OPL last year all of the competitive soccer in the state in hopes of getting all playing one another. The OPL declined it. All OYSA wanted was all the player cards (at the same price we pay for US CLUB cards) and a split of state cup tourney monies. OPL could keep all the revenue from the leagues.

Heard the so call "split" was roughly 100,000 for OYSA up front then a "split" after that. If this was the case I can see why the OPL would have turned it down.

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Heard the so call "split" was roughly 100,000 for OYSA up front then a "split" after that. If this was the case I can see why the OPL would have turned it down.

Nice rumor. You can probably find the boards discussion on the OYSA website what they approved to offer the OPL. In the meantime, keep the mill a stirring.

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Separation and Division.

As a player, you either play in one league or the other (few do both in the spring), so your not playing everyone (good and bad) throughout the year. How is that good for the sport or development of your player ?

The same with the clubs. You either work for a club that plays in one of the leagues or the other and your club stands by that organization. If your a freelance coach, you wont be one for long if you cross an OPL club more then once. They have proven that fact a few times.

OYSA offered the OPL last year all of the competitive soccer in the state in hopes of getting all playing one another. The OPL declined it. All OYSA wanted was all the player cards (at the same price we pay for US CLUB cards) and a split of state cup tourney monies. OPL could keep all the revenue from the leagues.

Top level of play is in the OPL. Even with more variety, teams and players don't develop when there is gross inequality between the teams. Neither team benefits.

OYSA's proposal to bring the leagues together was hugely disappointing. You are bing misleading with your explanation of what occurred.

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Top level of play is in the OPL. Even with more variety, teams and players don't develop when there is gross inequality between the teams. Neither team benefits.

OYSA's proposal to bring the leagues together was hugely disappointing. You are being misleading with your explanation of what occurred.

You are obviously a DOC at one of the OPL clubs as these discussions were very private. Please share with us all the exact details and set the record straight.

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Heard the so call "split" was roughly 100,000 for OYSA up front then a "split" after that. If this was the case I can see why the OPL would have turned it down.

So am I to understand that OPL feels like they own my child or my child's team? By what right do they approve or decline the league structure based on how much they (OPL) is paid. Shouldn't all the decisions in youth soccer be made based on the greatest benefit of the player?