U13G Premier Power Rankings

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And what team does your DD play for? Regardless of your answer (which you won't provide), it is for a team with less wins, less skill, and less potential than the VT Timbers at the U13G age group. So shut your pie hole. I am truly not even with this VT team. But it's getting old. Stop bagging on them.

First off you are a VT parent and secondly who bagged on them? It was the truth. They did bring guest players and they did lose all three games and have excuses for those losses. A loss is a loss. Period. Coming up with an excuse for 1 loss is normal but for 3??

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Interesting. I would have said the same thing but stand corrected.
I checked the GotSoccer website and for Girls the # 1 ranked tournament in the country is the San Diego Surf Thanksgiving Tournament followed closely by the Surf Cup.

Girls National Tournament Ranking:

1) 9875 pts. San Diego Surf Thanksgiving Tournament
2) 9786 pts. Surf Cup
3) 9667 pts. San Diego Surf College Cup
4) 9667 pts. PDA Girls Invitational College Showcase
5) 9625 pts. FC Delco Players Cup
6) 9333 pts. PDA Spring Kickoff

11) 8350 pts. Disney's Girls Showcase
18) 6875 pts. Mustang Stampede
39) 4802 pts. Disney's Junior Showcase
44) 4325 pts. US Club National Cup
58) 3594 pts. Pleasanton Rage College Showcase

One of the best tournaments in the nation is the Manchester Cup and it's not even on there because they don't use the gotsoccer software. Its all a big joke. You judge the quality of a tournament by who shows up year after year. Clearly both Surf Cups are good but the summer one is hands down the better of the two. If you've even been to both then you'd understand that. Rankings really don't make any sense. Go check them out. They rank the same tournament with different points for each age group. (ex. LO Cup)

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And what team does your DD play for? Regardless of your answer (which you won't provide), it is for a team with less wins, less skill, and less potential than the VT Timbers at the U13G age group. So shut your pie hole. I am truly not even with this VT team. But it's getting old. Stop bagging on them.

World I'm not a timber parent but please stop bagging on us...I mean them. OK.

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Equal Comparison

One of the best tournaments in the nation is the Manchester Cup and it's not even on there because they don't use the gotsoccer software. Its all a big joke. You judge the quality of a tournament by who shows up year after year. Clearly both Surf Cups are good but the summer one is hands down the better of the two. If you've even been to both then you'd understand that. Rankings really don't make any sense. Go check them out. They rank the same tournament with different points for each age group. (ex. LO Cup)

That makes PERFECT sence!
Tournament points in GS are determined by who attends (RPI) and it's different for each age and gender. I think it's funny how some blowhards come on here spouting personal opinion like it means something. Newsflash: You a far from an expert on the subject.
I'm not saying GS is perfect by any means but when you have two tournaments running the GS Software (Surf and San Diego Thanksgiving Tourny) it's hard to argue that there is a bias. Same software / same calculations / same methodology / get it?
Given that I'd tend to believe GS more than a buch of armchair strikers.
Just say'in

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If you're going by gotsoccer rankings then that shows that you know nothing. Everyone knows those rankings are meaningless and half the time don't even make sense.

Both Surf Cups are excellent tournaments but summer does draw the better teams. It's the bigger and better of the two.

That's plain silly ... that's like saying the Mt Hood Challenge is better than the Oswego Nike Cup because it's the bigger of the two. Bigger is not better when it comes to this conversation.
If the Surf Cup drew better teams it would garner more points in the GotSoccer calculations. The same calculations and RPI formula is used for all tournaments by GS and they are both Got Soccer tournaments.

Reality Check!: The points are so close for the two I think one can probably say they are pretty equal.

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One of the best tournaments in the nation is the Manchester Cup and it's not even on there because they don't use the gotsoccer software. Its all a big joke. You judge the quality of a tournament by who shows up year after year. Clearly both Surf Cups are good but the summer one is hands down the better of the two. If you've even been to both then you'd understand that. Rankings really don't make any sense. Go check them out. They rank the same tournament with different points for each age group. (ex. LO Cup)

Manchester Cup is not ranked because it is a "closed" tournament and attendees are invited/selected. It is prrposely excluded from GotSoccer Rankings because it is not an open tournament.
Clearly it is one of the top "tournaments" but is not relevant to this discussion.

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Of course because the TD would definitely say that Nov is less competitive to get people to come during their Holiday. Just saying.

He doesn't have to sell the summer tournament.

Nor does the Thanksgiving Tourney need selleing .... Man are you jaded.

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You are correct both tournaments are great.
Recent Surf Cup had 180 teams and 62% in state / 91% in region (Boys & Girls)
The last San Diego Surf Thanksgiving Tournament had 154 teams and 82% in state / 99% in region (boys and girls).

Neither had any international teams.

Your statement regarding higher caliber of teams is pure opinion. The Tournament Director's comments were that the Turkey Day tournament, while smaller overall, is actually made up of more higher caliber teams and is more competitive. (hence the #1 rank). The Turkey Day tournament has more of the top So. Cal teams than Surf Cup.
I think the TD's assertion carries more weight than your personal opinion.
But hey ... believe what you want just don't spread misinformation.

My statement is based purely on the number of applications and how difficult it is to get into. Summer tourney has to turn away a ton of teams and Thanksgiving tourney is an easy acceptance

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its not relevent

None of it matters if there going to the Surf Thanksgiving Cup unless they pick up several key good guests they will go down with them. if they do not then i would predict it will bee 3 and done and go enjoy Disneyland. VT 99's are a good little team, but lets face it in there own words on post they cant put any balls in the net, there not going to get those break away gimmie goals and there defense cant even hold NWN to zero. They have some good players on the team they just dont have enough of them. they are also going to find out quickly what physical play is and i dont think that they have the size to match it. they do have decent fundimental soccer for this age but when your playing teams that have fundimentals, speed and size all in one package and 2 deep your in trouble at this age level in the game. I do hope they have a good time and good luck, really, i hope you prove us all wrong.

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My statement is based purely on the number of applications and how difficult it is to get into. Summer tourney has to turn away a ton of teams and Thanksgiving tourney is an easy acceptance

That does not mean it's a better tournament only it more popular and held at a "better" time of year than a National Family Holiday ... if that's what you are trying to infer.
Since you know, please tell us how many applications each tournament denies.
Do you really know this or are you making this up?

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And what team does your DD play for? Regardless of your answer (which you won't provide), it is for a team with less wins, less skill, and less potential than the VT Timbers at the U13G age group. So shut your pie hole. I am truly not even with this VT team. But it's getting old. Stop bagging on them.

Let me nut it our for all you Jealous F's.... V Timbers don't even play in OPL and yet you brought them in to this thread... have you seen them play, ever? have you met their coach? Did you see that when he took them over 1 year ago, he told them they were going to forgo results to learn a form of soccer that will benefit them in years to come. And when they started getting results, you jumped online to ridicule them. Were you there when he challegend the current group to work their tails off to keep their spots because anybody who's anybody at this age group has been calling to be a part of this team. Have you met the parents, who support the team 100%? Have you met the parents of the other clubs who've said thank you to the V Timbers parents for the hospitality at games in Vancouver? or thank you for the welcome you gave my DD in a guest player environment? -- you wouldn't now about guest players, because no one wants to be affliated with your mess. Have you seen the friendship those guest players have forged with the girls on the VTimbers in just a few days together.

Obviously, you haven't because your'e a jealous hater...

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That does not mean it's a better tournament only it more popular and held at a "better" time of year than a National Family Holiday ... if that's what you are trying to infer.
Since you know, please tell us how many applications each tournament denies.
Do you really know this or are you making this up?

I have no idea about how many apply for Thanksgiving, but I spoke to one of the coordinates from the Summer tourney and the comment was over 200 teams apply in every age group.

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None of it matters if there going to the Surf Thanksgiving Cup unless they pick up several key good guests they will go down with them. if they do not then i would predict it will bee 3 and done and go enjoy Disneyland. VT 99's are a good little team, but lets face it in there own words on post they cant put any balls in the net, there not going to get those break away gimmie goals and there defense cant even hold NWN to zero. They have some good players on the team they just dont have enough of them. they are also going to find out quickly what physical play is and i dont think that they have the size to match it. they do have decent fundimental soccer for this age but when your playing teams that have fundimentals, speed and size all in one package and 2 deep your in trouble at this age level in the game. I do hope they have a good time and good luck, really, i hope you prove us all wrong.

Thank you for the well wishes and the compliment (I think?) We have no delusions of grandeur. We know this will be extremely challenging and that is exactly why we are going.
Everything you read on this board is about challenging yourself and development at the early ages. That's exactly why we are going. We believe this is how we develop. Measuring oneself against top competition. Our team / players will be better after this experience. We will grow and learn. After all ... that's what it's about.
I can't believe the grief the 99 Reds are receiving on this board for their decision to play in this tournament. It's disheartening. I hope none of our players know about this webpage and read this stuff. I hope none of our kids do.

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None of it matters if there going to the Surf Thanksgiving Cup unless they pick up several key good guests they will go down with them. if they do not then i would predict it will bee 3 and done and go enjoy Disneyland. VT 99's are a good little team, but lets face it in there own words on post they cant put any balls in the net, there not going to get those break away gimmie goals and there defense cant even hold NWN to zero. They have some good players on the team they just dont have enough of them. they are also going to find out quickly what physical play is and i dont think that they have the size to match it. they do have decent fundimental soccer for this age but when your playing teams that have fundimentals, speed and size all in one package and 2 deep your in trouble at this age level in the game. I do hope they have a good time and good luck, really, i hope you prove us all wrong.

God you're a joke. I need to point out to the idiot who compared Manchester Cup to Surf. They are completely two different tournaments and Manchester Cup has teams that are not near as qualified to be there just because they are local and its a invite only tournament. GO figure, you point out a tournament that is Portland local, I bet you can't name one invite only tournament outside of Oregon..shows the level of your competence.

When teams from THUSC and SS are getting in who wouldn't have a prayer to get in at Surf doesnt help your point. Its an invite tournament that is heavily sorted for BOYS. I should also point out that there are more top ranked teams at Surf Thanksgiving then Manchester Cup 10 fold.

Interesting you are comparing VT to NWN who is a regional contender. Know that noone even at Surf or Region IV could keep them to zero. You should probably ask yourself who would they fancy playing, your DD's team or VT. You should also know that VT was 2-1-1 against NWN to that point. Wait, should we compare VT to your DD's team>>>>>??? No just compare them to NWN who did better than Crossfire at Region IV and Crossfire went to quarter finals at Surf.....VT beat Crossfire two weekends ago by the way.

What I should point out is that you and everyone's scrutiny of their ability to be accepted into one of the top tournaments in the country is a complete joke.

You can pick through weaknesses or strengths all you want but in the end you have to live on or scrutinize the accomplishments of everyone else because its pretty clear you can't do it with your DD's team.

You seem to think you know about a team based on a score last weekend when in all reality what lingers is your jealousy of the simple fact your team isn't to that point where applying is even an OPTION.

Go ask your coach if you could get into Surf. really ask them.

They should be applauded for getting accepted and the moment your team gets in base on resume alone, let us know so we can sort them out and stand on the shoulders of regional contenders to diminish the accomplishment.

Seriously, the previous poster should be called out so everyone can see who he is and know what kind of cancer doesn't below on their sidelines.

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Onyx Parent Here:

I thought our GU-14 thread was bad. I mean wow, how completely disgusting in how jaded people can be when accomplishments are brought to light. It was the same thing when Onyx went to Surf for the first time. People compared results to teams their kids teams wouldn't even have a prayer against just to say Onyx didn't below. Even going 3 and Out both years, people still scrutinized.

I will be the first person to tell you our parent group isn't perfect but what I can tell you is that if this team did get into Surf, people should applaud it and think its another team from OPL is going to up the level of respect to the area. You will find very quickly everyone thinks of Oregon in Cal as they do Idaho, doormats. Washington sends 4 teams to Surf while we send maybe one, fortunately its my DD's team.

Get over yourself and realize very quickly this important truth.

THERE WILL BE 1 MAYBE 2 TEAMS THAT WILL MAKE IT OUT OF THE DUST IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT WILL BE THE TEAM WHO HAS CREATED THE LIST OF ACCEPTANCES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Give them credit as it is due and realize at least they are doing things all the CAL/WA teams are doing during these non summer times. Getting a list built.