By the numbers

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Why would any of the champions and most of the finalist not play in their own OPL cup? After all they are the founders. With regards to OYSA, there is nothing to be gained by any rift in our small state of competitive soccer.

So it starts out that the founding 8 are putting on a really good Cup because their's were the biggest clubs and by the numbers had the most competitive teams. Now lets see what happens when the 8 start devouring each other. We now have 3 dominate clubs that are about to emerge. Let's hope that they don't echo the sentiment that you just did towards OYSA to the 5 member clubs that are being left in the dust.

Congratulations to all the cup winners and finalist. It was an amazing job by these kids in spite of the grown ups running around with all their rhetoric about who is best.

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To what end?

What I find most telling is this. 30 teams played on finals day, 27 of them are from the OPC, one bend team, one Eugene team and one NE Portland team.

OYSA who needs you? We are so much better off without you. Other than CFC who played in the OPL but went OYSA state cup, the OPL is the place to play in Oregon. Yes as OYSA likes to brag you have farwest regionals and you claim it is the best....(sorry had a little throw up in my mouth)....(better now) it is not the best. The DA has taken the talent out of us youth soccer so, SORRY.

Here is an idea, fire Chuck he sucks. No really, what is the problem over there, he sucks. Just look at the OPL State Cup champions list and clubs that played, now look at yours, this guy has drove this in to the ground.

Now look at the above, 27 OPC teams in the finals? You telling me Chucky can't come up with a marketing plan to lure those teams outside the OPC back to OYSA? Let the OPC have their own little soccer nervona, go get all that chedder.

Yes the best teams have been forced to play in the OPL but after league and the OPL Cup what is there?

Don't you see that your constant barrage of insults and name calling do NOT advance soccer in the state. Forcing all of the OPL Cup winners to go to a B, yes B level, tournament is not a "reward" unless you think going to play B level competition is a reward.

Did the soccer get any better under OPL? No because it was the same players and same coaches.

Did the number of exposers to college coaches increase under OPL? NO! One could argue that it dropped because there are fewer college coaches at the US Club Championship than at any single USYS Regional.

So where is the benefit to the PLAYERS? This whole ******* match is an male ego driven fight for control, for now, of who gets to set the rules for the participating clubs and control the schedules.

OYSA offered to turn competitive soccer in the state over to OPL and give their teams a path to a REAL championship but AGAIN ego's like yours got in the way and while that may make the "boys" who run OPL feed all tough and such it is actually punishing the PLAYERS.

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What I find most telling is this. 30 teams played on finals day, 27 of them are from the OPC, one bend team, one Eugene team and one NE Portland team.

OYSA who needs you? We are so much better off without you. Other than CFC who played in the OPL but went OYSA state cup, the OPL is the place to play in Oregon. Yes as OYSA likes to brag you have farwest regionals and you claim it is the best....(sorry had a little throw up in my mouth)....(better now) it is not the best. The DA has taken the talent out of us youth soccer so, SORRY.

Here is an idea, fire Chuck he sucks. No really, what is the problem over there, he sucks. Just look at the OPL State Cup champions list and clubs that played, now look at yours, this guy has drove this in to the ground.

Now look at the above, 27 OPC teams in the finals? You telling me Chucky can't come up with a marketing plan to lure those teams outside the OPC back to OYSA? Let the OPC have their own little soccer nervona, go get all that chedder.

Not all the non OPC teams played in the tourney. Until that happens, you get exactly what it is - a good club tourney win. Congrats! Have fun wasting your money in a second rate nationals. Better yet, watch how many don't even go because there are other tourneys at or near the same time that are better. Face it - the great 8 is really only a great 4, and the rest of the clubs are lackeys sucking up. Looking forward to watching it implode.

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Yes the best teams have been forced to play in the OPL but after league and the OPL Cup what is there?

Don't you see that your constant barrage of insults and name calling do NOT advance soccer in the state. Forcing all of the OPL Cup winners to go to a B, yes B level, tournament is not a "reward" unless you think going to play B level competition is a reward.

Did the soccer get any better under OPL? No because it was the same players and same coaches.

Did the number of exposers to college coaches increase under OPL? NO! One could argue that it dropped because there are fewer college coaches at the US Club Championship than at any single USYS Regional.

So where is the benefit to the PLAYERS? This whole ******* match is an male ego driven fight for control, for now, of who gets to set the rules for the participating clubs and control the schedules.

OYSA offered to turn competitive soccer in the state over to OPL and give their teams a path to a REAL championship but AGAIN ego's like yours got in the way and while that may make the "boys" who run OPL feed all tough and such it is actually punishing the PLAYERS.

Agree - anyone who thinks this is working out better for the players is clueless. Get outside of Oregon and see if anyone give a rat's you know what about OPL State Cup. Good for the egos of the parents and OPC DOC's. Absolutely a terrible situation for the players, but what do you care.

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Agree - anyone who thinks this is working out better for the players is clueless. Get outside of Oregon and see if anyone give a rat's you know what about OPL State Cup. Good for the egos of the parents and OPC DOC's. Absolutely a terrible situation for the players, but what do you care.

Interesting, I think everyone that comes out of OYSA state cup have been an embarassment since the split.

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Interesting, I think everyone that comes out of OYSA state cup have been an embarassment since the split.

The likelihood that you even have a dog in the fight is slim to none. With statements like that you show your own ignorance. Additionally, those who are highly competitive and can hang with the best don't harbor ill will towards others. No jealousy, no reason. Let me guess... your kid is on a OPL B team.

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Agree - anyone who thinks this is working out better for the players is clueless. Get outside of Oregon and see if anyone give a rat's you know what about OPL State Cup. Good for the egos of the parents and OPC DOC's. Absolutely a terrible situation for the players, but what do you care.

My kid is about to grow up and move on and it makes me sad that the final two years of her youth career are marred by this nonsense. It is unnecessary and unproductive. She will transition into college soccer in spite of all of these egos running around attempting to gain more control.

In the business world beware of those who will go to great lengths to destroy competition. Even if you align with them now to get them what they want they will turn on you. It isn't if it is when .... like when they don't need you anymore. This is already beginning to happen with the OPL / Timber affiliation with GW at the helm. He will be the king of Oregon youth soccer and if he fails our youth soccer will have a huge setback. We will have to reinvent the model when the reality is we didn't need to start over... instead we should have been making small tweaks and augmentations to make an okay model even better.

I suspect that those who are most in support of this are the ones who have younger children and are not already seeing the horrible effects of the split and its far reaching impact.

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Interesting, I think everyone that comes out of OYSA state cup have been an embarassment since the split.

And going to US Club Nationals is such an honor that any team that has an option of going to a decent tourney such as Surf Cup will go there instead. Too bad for the older girls who are having to deal with this crap; even worse for where Oregon soccer will be in a few years. But so long as the Great 4 of the OPC get their way.

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Here is an idea, fire Chuck he sucks. No really, what is the problem over there, he sucks. Just look at the OPL State Cup champions list and clubs that played, now look at yours, this guy has drove this in to the ground.

Now look at the above, 27 OPC teams in the finals? You telling me Chucky can't come up with a marketing plan to lure those teams outside the OPC back to OYSA? Let the OPC have their own little soccer nervona, go get all that chedder.

Interesting, perhaps we should also fire the members of the OPC (since they are equally culpable)...Oh wait we can't, they answer to no-one but themselves... It seemed like OYSA floated a pretty attractive offer before state cup, so attractive that OPL had to forbid their member teams from participating.

Keep drinking the kool-aid...clearly you have lost touch with reality.

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FC is so known for kicking the long ball. How on earth did they get 10 teams in the finals doing that? Just once, I would like to see them do some possession soccer.

I disagree, I've seen possession play at the u12 girls level. I'm not an FC parent, but after watching my dd games against FC, I've considered moving to their program.

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Kool aid reference needs to end

Interesting, perhaps we should also fire the members of the OPC (since they are equally culpable)...Oh wait we can't, they answer to no-one but themselves... It seemed like OYSA floated a pretty attractive offer before state cup, so attractive that OPL had to forbid their member teams from participating.

Keep drinking the kool-aid...clearly you have lost touch with reality.

Drinking the kool aid is the most over used term around on this Oregon talking soccer website. It has to end. That said, you probably have a point in there but got lost in the silly reference.

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Good luck

I disagree, I've seen possession play at the u12 girls level. I'm not an FC parent, but after watching my dd games against FC, I've considered moving to their program.

Hopefully your dd has some skills. The FC U12G 'premier' team just won the State Cup and I think their 'B' team won the Directors Cup. Both the A and B teams placed well in fall league as well. Their 'B' team is playing in D1. So they have have some talent at that age. Good Luck to your dd.

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By the numbers – FWIW

1 point for every team in OPL Premier division
1 additional point for winning Premier division
1 additional point for winning NWCL
1 additional point for winning OPL State Cup
Left out Vancouver Timbers and WSA as many of their teams compete in WA leagues and Cups and that just muddies the waters…
All errors or omissions are solely the fault of this poster – no harm, hate or discrimination intended
Use this data to draw whatever conclusions you wish…

Overall Club Strength U11-U18 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland - 42
Westside Timbers – 27
Eastside Timbers – 25
OSSA – 20
THUSC – 17
Eugene Metro FC – 14
Oregon Rush – 10
Northeast United – 8

Girls Overall Club Strength U11-U18 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland - 21
THUSC – 15
OSSA – 13
Eastside Timbers – 11
Eugene Metro FC – 7
FC Salmon Creek – 7
Westside Timbers – 6
Oregon Rush – 6

Boys Overall Club Strength U11-U18 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland - 21
Westside Timbers – 21
Eastside Timbers – 14
OSSA – 7
Eugene Metro FC – 7
Northeast United – 6
Bridlemile SC – 6
Oregon Rush – 4

Girls Club Strength U11-U14 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland – 10
THUSC – 10
Eastside Timbers – 6
FC Salmon Creek –6
Eugene Metro FC – 4
Oregon Rush – 4
Lake Oswego – 4
Westside Timbers –3
Tualatin Metros - 3

Girls Club Strength U15-U18 – 2011-2012 season
OSSA – 13
FC Portland – 11
THUSC – 5
Eastside Timbers –5
Eugene Metro FC – 3
Westside Timbers –3
Oregon Rush –2

Boys Club Strength U11-U14 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland - 11
Westside Timbers –8
Eastside Timbers – 8
Northeast United – 6
Eugene Metro FC – 3
Lake Oswego – 3
Southside – 3
Willamette United – 3

Boys Club Strength U15-U18 – 2011-2012 season
Westside Timbers –13
FC Portland - 10
OSSA – 7
Eastside Timbers –6
Eugene Metro FC – 4
Bridlemile SC – 4
Oregon Rush – 4
PCU – 3
Hillsboro SC – 3

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FC is so known for kicking the long ball. How on earth did they get 10 teams in the finals doing that? Just once, I would like to see them do some possession soccer.

Are you on crack??

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1 point for every team in OPL Premier division
1 additional point for winning Premier division
1 additional point for winning NWCL
1 additional point for winning OPL State Cup
Left out Vancouver Timbers and WSA as many of their teams compete in WA leagues and Cups and that just muddies the waters…
All errors or omissions are solely the fault of this poster – no harm, hate or discrimination intended
Use this data to draw whatever conclusions you wish…

Overall Club Strength U11-U18 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland - 42
Westside Timbers – 27
Eastside Timbers – 25
OSSA – 20
THUSC – 17
Eugene Metro FC – 14
Oregon Rush – 10
Northeast United – 8

Girls Overall Club Strength U11-U18 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland - 21
THUSC – 15
OSSA – 13
Eastside Timbers – 11
Eugene Metro FC – 7
FC Salmon Creek – 7
Westside Timbers – 6
Oregon Rush – 6

Boys Overall Club Strength U11-U18 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland - 21
Westside Timbers – 21
Eastside Timbers – 14
OSSA – 7
Eugene Metro FC – 7
Northeast United – 6
Bridlemile SC – 6
Oregon Rush – 4

Girls Club Strength U11-U14 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland – 10
THUSC – 10
Eastside Timbers – 6
FC Salmon Creek –6
Eugene Metro FC – 4
Oregon Rush – 4
Lake Oswego – 4
Westside Timbers –3
Tualatin Metros - 3

Girls Club Strength U15-U18 – 2011-2012 season
OSSA – 13
FC Portland – 11
THUSC – 5
Eastside Timbers –5
Eugene Metro FC – 3
Westside Timbers –3
Oregon Rush –2

Boys Club Strength U11-U14 – 2011-2012 season
FC Portland - 11
Westside Timbers –8
Eastside Timbers – 8
Northeast United – 6
Eugene Metro FC – 3
Lake Oswego – 3
Southside – 3
Willamette United – 3

Boys Club Strength U15-U18 – 2011-2012 season
Westside Timbers –13
FC Portland - 10
OSSA – 7
Eastside Timbers –6
Eugene Metro FC – 4
Bridlemile SC – 4
Oregon Rush – 4
PCU – 3
Hillsboro SC – 3

You could probably give a point for every team in the NWCL. There is no real way to measure it but having solid 'B' teams is a plus when measuring club strength, they help keep a flow of replacements coming if 'A' team members move, switch clubs, etc. or if a kid goes through a growth spurt and is not up to par, it can allow them playing time without repercussions.

No matter the measuring stick you are anyone uses, I think you are going to get a lot of flack over this.....