98 Girls ODP Tryouts

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Is this a serious quote? Did your daughter make the A ODP team last year as a play up and not make the pool at all this year?

Correct.

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Know it all's like yourself just get under my skin....But that is what you are here to do right? Give parenting advice and bug the crap out of people. YOU have missed the entire point of everything. It is not really about the kids that didn't make it.. I am sure they are over it by now and the parents I talked to said because the pool is so weak they are happy to not be spending the money. (These particular kids were over it in about a minute.) What it is about is the lack of integrity within the program and this is for both kids who MADE the pool and those that did not. There is also a life lesson in learning when something is not worth your investment anymore. In the end, the pool maybe OK when the entire state is mixed together. (We are in the pool so I hope so.)
They may even be able to compete against one of the better OPL teams. We will see

Are you serious? Half the posts on two long threads are claiming disappointment "for the kids." I responded to the particular post and ones similar to it, which in essence are that because of a particular evaluator, the 98s who didn't make it will not come back and try out again and that it will affect the 99's as well. The evaluator issue is a correctable problem and I AGREE it can/should be corrected. It's not rocket science. So if that problem gets corrected, what are you going to bitch about next year? One option is to speak with your dollars and go elsewhere. That is a viable option and that is your right. Another is to work with ODP and correct the "integrity" problems so it doesn't happen again. Choosing to abandon the program simply doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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Perception is reality!
Even if every girl from WSM deserved a spot on the ODP, it looks bad because their coach is their evaluator. ODP staff did not think this process through.

No question. As noted in another post, it is a correctable problem. And I'm sure it has been brought to the attention of ODP.

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No question. As noted in another post, it is a correctable problem. And I'm sure it has been brought to the attention of ODP.

It is a correctable problem that has been brought up in the past without any corrections being made. How long do we just keep paying the money and allow it to continue? The coaching staff has gone down considerably over the years. I am just hoping something better will come along. Sitting under a tent next to a heater is no way to evaluate kids. Especially when you have 110 kids there. Those evaluators needed to be up and moving to even see all the kids. We had one evaluator on our field for 2 of our games. He remained under the tent for 15 minutes of the 20 minute game.

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Are you serious? Half the posts on two long threads are claiming disappointment "for the kids." I responded to the particular post and ones similar to it, which in essence are that because of a particular evaluator, the 98s who didn't make it will not come back and try out again and that it will affect the 99's as well. The evaluator issue is a correctable problem and I AGREE it can/should be corrected. It's not rocket science. So if that problem gets corrected, what are you going to bitch about next year? One option is to speak with your dollars and go elsewhere. That is a viable option and that is your right. Another is to work with ODP and correct the "integrity" problems so it doesn't happen again. Choosing to abandon the program simply doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Nobody said they were not disappointed, but simply they are over it....I think again the boat may be missed in that many people for whatever reason have little faith that OYSA will correct anything at anytime. They always seem to be just a little to late, and, I am saying that this may be one of those cases.
Bitching? hum not sure that is what I would call it, but OK.

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Are you serious? Half the posts on two long threads are claiming disappointment "for the kids." I responded to the particular post and ones similar to it, which in essence are that because of a particular evaluator, the 98s who didn't make it will not come back and try out again and that it will affect the 99's as well. The evaluator issue is a correctable problem and I AGREE it can/should be corrected. It's not rocket science. So if that problem gets corrected, what are you going to bitch about next year? One option is to speak with your dollars and go elsewhere. That is a viable option and that is your right. Another is to work with ODP and correct the "integrity" problems so it doesn't happen again. Choosing to abandon the program simply doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

My daughter decided to try-out. It was a long shot for her, and I did not expect her to make it. She did not make it, and was disappointed a little but she moved on pretty quickly. If I am honest, in my daughters case they made the right decision, but I thought the whole thing was really silly and amateurist. (Again I am not complaining, my daughter is not a stand-out). The evaluators were not paying any attention. The group was big and there was not alot of good soccer going on so you really had to pay attention to see anything. There was a couple of crazy fast defenders that were smaller. (One was easily the fastest in the group faster than the WSM girl) I heard those gals did not make it. I thought that was a shame. I am not sure why they even had them run if it did not matter?

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My daughter decided to try-out. It was a long shot for her, and I did not expect her to make it. She did not make it, and was disappointed a little but she moved on pretty quickly. If I am honest, in my daughters case they made the right decision, but I thought the whole thing was really silly and amateurist. (Again I am not complaining, my daughter is not a stand-out). The evaluators were not paying any attention. The group was big and there was not alot of good soccer going on so you really had to pay attention to see anything. There was a couple of crazy fast defenders that were smaller. (One was easily the fastest in the group faster than the WSM girl) I heard those gals did not make it. I thought that was a shame. I am not sure why they even had them run if it did not matter?

Speed is but one factor, but it is a factor. Should not be the be all-end all. Lots of fast kids with little skills.
Ultimately, I wish someone had the perfect evaluation system, but it doesn't exist. You have some evaluators who believe they can tell within 10 mins. if a kid has any talent; others look to how a kid actually plays in game conditions; others believe that if a kid can't prove himself/herself in smaller games over a couple days, then too bad (bad days or not); and so on. (My personal belief is that the kids should be evaluated over a longer period of time, in game conditions, but I can't ever see that happening.) With some clubs in Cal South, where you have a thousand plus kids trying out for particular clubs, the initial cut is simply by timed sprints right off the bat. Is that fair? Maybe not, but it may be practical. It would appear the ODP tryout process was questionable at best this year for the younger kids, using a somewhat different system than prior years. I would expect that the concerns have been brought to the attention of ODP and hope the process is modified next year. This also appears to be an anomaly and not the standard, since the process appears to have worked pretty well for 96 and older (though not perfect).

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Speed is but one factor, but it is a factor. Should not be the be all-end all. Lots of fast kids with little skills.
Ultimately, I wish someone had the perfect evaluation system, but it doesn't exist. You have some evaluators who believe they can tell within 10 mins. if a kid has any talent; others look to how a kid actually plays in game conditions; others believe that if a kid can't prove himself/herself in smaller games over a couple days, then too bad (bad days or not); and so on. (My personal belief is that the kids should be evaluated over a longer period of time, in game conditions, but I can't ever see that happening.) With some clubs in Cal South, where you have a thousand plus kids trying out for particular clubs, the initial cut is simply by timed sprints right off the bat. Is that fair? Maybe not, but it may be practical. It would appear the ODP tryout process was questionable at best this year for the younger kids, using a somewhat different system than prior years. I would expect that the concerns have been brought to the attention of ODP and hope the process is modified next year. This also appears to be an anomaly and not the standard, since the process appears to have worked pretty well for 96 and older (though not perfect).

Yes I know speed is not the end all.. for pete sake.. These girls were good all over the field and they had speed. But they were small

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Yes I know speed is not the end all.. for pete sake.. These girls were good all over the field and they had speed. But they were small

It seems as if a lot of the smaller, more talented girls were cut in place of bigger girls. Size alone will not win you games. The '98's will have to find this out the hard way this year. Maybe all the girls who were cut and deserved it should form a team and scrimmage the ODP pool. I'd put my money on the girls who were cut.

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It seems as if a lot of the smaller, more talented girls were cut in place of bigger girls. Size alone will not win you games. The '98's will have to find this out the hard way this year. Maybe all the girls who were cut and deserved it should form a team and scrimmage the ODP pool. I'd put my money on the girls who were cut.

I agree! I was talking to one of the dads and we thought the same thing. I don't think they would risk it and agree to scrimmage.

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Yes I know speed is not the end all.. for pete sake.. These girls were good all over the field and they had speed. But they were small

Then why make the comment: "I am not sure why they even had them run if it did not matter"? ... for pete's sake. It does matter. It's a factor. That's why they run.

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I agree as well. I would bet on the girls that didn't make it.

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I agree! I was talking to one of the dads and we thought the same thing. I don't think they would risk it and agree to scrimmage.

So what's the answer? I know there are differences of opinion, but I swear some parents (not necessarily you) are of the belief that just "knowing" a team of those who got cut could beat the team of those who did is enough - for the "principle of the thing." Register your complaints. Follow through. Tryout next year. I believe it's worth it.

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Then why make the comment: "I am not sure why they even had them run if it did not matter"? ... for pete's sake. It does matter. It's a factor. That's why they run.

I think you misunderstood. I asked why they had them run because they did not take 2 of the fastest defenders there. One of them beat the WSM favorite every single race. AND she is skilled. SO I agree speed matters, but they took the slower girls instead thus my questions. Why even make them run? Because in this case it did not matter.

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I think you misunderstood. I asked why they had them run because they did not take 2 of the fastest defenders there. One of them beat the WSM favorite every single race. AND she is skilled. SO I agree speed matters, but they took the slower girls instead thus my questions. Why even make them run? Because in this case it did not matter.

Thank you. My apologies.