OCYS Consolidated Thread

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Finally a nice post and most likely a very good coach from the statement.

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I know they are Welsh.

You stated "English DEVELOPED".....
1. Gareth Bale was developed by Southampton and then Tottenham.
2. Ryan Giggs by Man Utd.

World cups have nothing to do with this discussion. You can be world-class by playing and succeeding in the champions league.

First of all I didn't state anything. I'm not the same poster your getting in an argument over. England does a fine job of developing individual soccer players, but for whatever reason they don't produce for the home country of England. I happen to believe many of the English players are a tad overrated (Hart, Terry, etc) The England National team continues to be the most overhyped and overrated team heading into World Cups and Euros. I believe alot of that is because of the English's inflated ego's of their fans & English media.

Yes Ryan Giggs was developed at Man United, by a Scottish, not English guy by the name of Alex Ferguson. Some may have heard of him.

Also it should be noted that some of the best players in the EPL aren't English. Van Persie, Bale, Suarez, Vidic, Mata, Aguero, Yaya Yaya Toure, etc

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Please just drink your beer and allow people who know what they are doing help the children. The concept of pushing your mids up, really. A 4-3-3 really. Anyone can say push up from the sideline dad. Yes the kids could get that. Teaching why, when, how and the tactical/technical applications of the concept is what is important. Since you are so bent on proving to the world that the 4-2-3-1 works why are you still talking about the ability to go to a 4-3-3. Take a look at the US Soccer curriculum. They want you playing a 4-3-3. Look it up and read it.

The reality is the system really does not matter, ask any pro. The players matter. Yes you can go from 1 forward to 3, you can go from 4 backs to 3, yes you can make changes.

Your problem is you think teaching the kids the system and the structure is what what help them. Teaching the children how to play the game, how to think, how to make decisions, when, why, how and giving them the freedom and ability to do those things is what creates players.

At OC they do not allow players to think for themselves. If you are an outside back you attack all day. If you are a holding mid you stay and nver go. If you are and outside mid you stay tucked in, period.

Go back to drinking dude, you will be better off.

I agree. You also have to do what is best for the players you have. If your a good coach you try your best to put your players in the best positions to be successful. You don't try and put a square peg into a round hole and force feed your players into a system that isn't a good fit.

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First of all I didn't state anything. I'm not the same poster your getting in an argument over. England does a fine job of developing individual soccer players, but for whatever reason they don't produce for the home country of England. I happen to believe many of the English players are a tad overrated (Hart, Terry, etc) The England National team continues to be the most overhyped and overrated team heading into World Cups and Euros. I believe alot of that is because of the English's inflated ego's of their fans & English media.

Yes Ryan Giggs was developed at Man United, by a Scottish, not English guy by the name of Alex Ferguson. Some may have heard of him.

Also it should be noted that some of the best players in the EPL aren't English. Van Persie, Bale, Suarez, Vidic, Mata, Aguero, Yaya Yaya Toure, etc

Some of them are overrated and some have not performed well on highest stage. The English media actually do not overhype all England teams, they actually run most of them down. The fact is that they are still a big soccer country so they get a lot of attention, especially as they are one of the old guard.

Ok so now we are getting into Scottish vs English are we? I am sure that they were all lumped together by the guy who posted first. However, I could point out that many managers do not have a lot to do with the players outsid ethe first team so I have no clue who developed Ryan Giggs other than an English club. I could have named many other Premier League players.

Yes many of the best players in the EPL are not English. There are many reasons for this including that English players command a premium in the transfer market. It is cheaper to buy from foreign clubs.

Finally, should I point out to you that in La Liga there are more than a few foreign players at the top level also?

Christiano Ronaldo (Portugal)
Lionel Messi (Arengtina)
Karim Benzema (France)
Dani Alves (Brazil)
Mesut Ozil (Germany)
Gonzalo Higuain (Argentina)
Luka Modric (Croatia)
Kaka (Brazil)
Neymar, Mascherano, Song, Falcao

The best leagues attract the best INTERNATIONAL talent. This is a problem for the national teams but it raises the standard of play in the domestic leagues.

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Please just drink your beer and allow people who know what they are doing help the children. The concept of pushing your mids up, really. A 4-3-3 really. Anyone can say push up from the sideline dad. Yes the kids could get that. Teaching why, when, how and the tactical/technical applications of the concept is what is important. Since you are so bent on proving to the world that the 4-2-3-1 works why are you still talking about the ability to go to a 4-3-3. Take a look at the US Soccer curriculum. They want you playing a 4-3-3. Look it up and read it.

The reality is the system really does not matter, ask any pro. The players matter. Yes you can go from 1 forward to 3, you can go from 4 backs to 3, yes you can make changes.

Your problem is you think teaching the kids the system and the structure is what what help them. Teaching the children how to play the game, how to think, how to make decisions, when, why, how and giving them the freedom and ability to do those things is what creates players.

At OC they do not allow players to think for themselves. If you are an outside back you attack all day. If you are a holding mid you stay and nver go. If you are and outside mid you stay tucked in, period.

Go back to drinking dude, you will be better off.

Winner.

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Some of them are overrated and some have not performed well on highest stage. The English media actually do not overhype all England teams, they actually run most of them down. The fact is that they are still a big soccer country so they get a lot of attention, especially as they are one of the old guard.

Ok so now we are getting into Scottish vs English are we? I am sure that they were all lumped together by the guy who posted first. However, I could point out that many managers do not have a lot to do with the players outsid ethe first team so I have no clue who developed Ryan Giggs other than an English club. I could have named many other Premier League players.

Yes many of the best players in the EPL are not English. There are many reasons for this including that English players command a premium in the transfer market. It is cheaper to buy from foreign clubs.

Finally, should I point out to you that in La Liga there are more than a few foreign players at the top level also?

Christiano Ronaldo (Portugal)
Lionel Messi (Arengtina)
Karim Benzema (France)
Dani Alves (Brazil)
Mesut Ozil (Germany)
Gonzalo Higuain (Argentina)
Luka Modric (Croatia)
Kaka (Brazil)
Neymar, Mascherano, Song, Falcao

The best leagues attract the best INTERNATIONAL talent. This is a problem for the national teams but it raises the standard of play in the domestic leagues.

Winner.

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Some of them are overrated and some have not performed well on highest stage. The English media actually do not overhype all England teams, they actually run most of them down. The fact is that they are still a big soccer country so they get a lot of attention, especially as they are one of the old guard.

Ok so now we are getting into Scottish vs English are we? I am sure that they were all lumped together by the guy who posted first. However, I could point out that many managers do not have a lot to do with the players outsid ethe first team so I have no clue who developed Ryan Giggs other than an English club. I could have named many other Premier League players.

Yes many of the best players in the EPL are not English. There are many reasons for this including that English players command a premium in the transfer market. It is cheaper to buy from foreign clubs.

Finally, should I point out to you that in La Liga there are more than a few foreign players at the top level also?

Christiano Ronaldo (Portugal)
Lionel Messi (Arengtina)
Karim Benzema (France)
Dani Alves (Brazil)
Mesut Ozil (Germany)
Gonzalo Higuain (Argentina)
Luka Modric (Croatia)
Kaka (Brazil)
Neymar, Mascherano, Song, Falcao

The best leagues attract the best INTERNATIONAL talent. This is a problem for the national teams but it raises the standard of play in the domestic leagues.

Correct, but for example it doesn't seem to pose a problem for Spain or Germany's national teams. Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Casillas, Xavi, Villa, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Ramos, etc all play in the Spanish league and the Spain national team does just fine. Same goes for Germany. Lahm, Boeteng, Neuer, Schweinsteger, Muller, Gomez, etc all play in the German league. The fact of the matter is the best English players play in the EPL, but IMO I believe they are a tad overrated and not as good as many think. I also believe due to all the foreigners that come to play in the EPL that it actually hinders the development of English players. Many of these English clubs go out of the country for their "superstar" players. I don't believe the EPL focuses on developing the English player that much anymore. The landscape of European soccer has changed.

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Get a job. The less skilled, but wealthy, players' families are tired of carrying the economic burden of your kid!

LMAO.... Got a job thanks. Chances are Ive kept your family safe once or twice over the last year doing it. Got an invite for fkk black and ocys purple. I could pay cash for both right now if I wanted. People like you are the reason why I am so disgusted with the leagues.....must less society n general.
FIrst... my house hold makes a **** ton of money by good old fashioned hard work with skills learned in the military. And you? yeah right.

Second... this site has become a site for parents to act like 5 year olds....in your case its an insult to 5 year olds... to bash on someones child. Seriously think about it. You have to bash on a kid to make yourself feel better about yourself.

Third.... my point was just because a parent can afford to put their child in a premiere club, doesnt mean they belong there. It is absolutely not an attack on anyones child but it is a leagues responsibility to fieldthe best team possible. Especially for a state cup team.

I wish the girls the best but it maybe a long season for them.
I feel sorry for you too. Maybe I am a hypocrite for getting offended because you think you know anything about me with one simple comment. However your one simple comment speaks volumes about the type of person you are.

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LMAO.... Got a job thanks. Chances are Ive kept your family safe once or twice over the last year doing it. Got an invite for fkk black and ocys purple. I could pay cash for both right now if I wanted. People like you are the reason why I am so disgusted with the leagues.....must less society n general.
FIrst... my house hold makes a **** ton of money by good old fashioned hard work with skills learned in the military. And you? yeah right.

Second... this site has become a site for parents to act like 5 year olds....in your case its an insult to 5 year olds... to bash on someones child. Seriously think about it. You have to bash on a kid to make yourself feel better about yourself.

Third.... my point was just because a parent can afford to put their child in a premiere club, doesnt mean they belong there. It is absolutely not an attack on anyones child but it is a leagues responsibility to fieldthe best team possible. Especially for a state cup team.

I wish the girls the best but it maybe a long season for them.
I feel sorry for you too. Maybe I am a hypocrite for getting offended because you think you know anything about me with one simple comment. However your one simple comment speaks volumes about the type of person you are.

I don't know you and haven't been in this conversation but your post smells like a lot of BS. I'm great and can do anything because everyone wants my kid and I have tons of money but playing with the best teams just aren't for me. This probably went over well in school but we are not buying it. You're probably a bored school kid who's never earned a dollar in their life!

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Correct, but for example it doesn't seem to pose a problem for Spain or Germany's national teams. Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Casillas, Xavi, Villa, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Ramos, etc all play in the Spanish league and the Spain national team does just fine. Same goes for Germany. Lahm, Boeteng, Neuer, Schweinsteger, Muller, Gomez, etc all play in the German league. The fact of the matter is the best English players play in the EPL, but IMO I believe they are a tad overrated and not as good as many think. I also believe due to all the foreigners that come to play in the EPL that it actually hinders the development of English players. Many of these English clubs go out of the country for their "superstar" players. I don't believe the EPL focuses on developing the English player that much anymore. The landscape of European soccer has changed.

You are correct, the current crop of players is not good enough. Having access to cheap foreign imports means less chance of a homegrown player coming through so it does hinder English players. The EPL teams do spend a large amount on developing their own players and some have a lot of success.

The key thing to note is that soccer goes through cycles (as do all sports) ..... All at once a national team will suddenly have 5 or 6 top class players mature at the same time and then become a powerhouse for a number of years. Same thing happens in a club setting... at Man Utd for example Giggs, Beckham, Phil Neville, Gary Neville, Keith Gillespie and a couple more came through together.

They other thing to remember is that cycles end and are often followed by a barren period. I strongly believe that Spain will not win the world cup next year, they are already in decline.

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You are correct, the current crop of players is not good enough. Having access to cheap foreign imports means less chance of a homegrown player coming through so it does hinder English players. The EPL teams do spend a large amount on developing their own players and some have a lot of success.

The key thing to note is that soccer goes through cycles (as do all sports) ..... All at once a national team will suddenly have 5 or 6 top class players mature at the same time and then become a powerhouse for a number of years. Same thing happens in a club setting... at Man Utd for example Giggs, Beckham, Phil Neville, Gary Neville, Keith Gillespie and a couple more came through together.

They other thing to remember is that cycles end and are often followed by a barren period. I strongly believe that Spain will not win the world cup next year, they are already in decline.

Spain may not win it, but they will still be one of the best teams. Xavi and Puyol are declining a bit, but Spain is loaded with some good young talent as well waiting in the wings. They will still be very tough to beat. They have tons of young talent like Javi Martinez, Navas, Cazorla, Fabregas, Mata, Llorente, Pedro, Michu. These are guys off their bench. I agree about cycles, but I don't think Spain is going anywhere just yet.

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Please just drink your beer and allow people who know what they are doing help the children. The concept of pushing your mids up, really. A 4-3-3 really. Anyone can say push up from the sideline dad. Yes the kids could get that. Teaching why, when, how and the tactical/technical applications of the concept is what is important. Since you are so bent on proving to the world that the 4-2-3-1 works why are you still talking about the ability to go to a 4-3-3. Take a look at the US Soccer curriculum. They want you playing a 4-3-3. Look it up and read it.

The reality is the system really does not matter, ask any pro. The players matter. Yes you can go from 1 forward to 3, you can go from 4 backs to 3, yes you can make changes.

Your problem is you think teaching the kids the system and the structure is what what help them. Teaching the children how to play the game, how to think, how to make decisions, when, why, how and giving them the freedom and ability to do those things is what creates players.

At OC they do not allow players to think for themselves. If you are an outside back you attack all day. If you are a holding mid you stay and nver go. If you are and outside mid you stay tucked in, period.

Go back to drinking dude, you will be better off.

Make your mind up! Are we drinking koolaid or are we drinking beer?

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how many members does OCYS have this year? Last year it was 1800. Is the club growing?

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No matter how many different ways this question has been asked nobody will answer how many kids OCYS registered after tryouts this year because it will confirm that they lost significant numbers. Then it will be spun that this was intentional or that club won't be impacted negatively with loss of 500k in revenue because clubs don't make much money on premier teams. No answer yet because the marketing gurus at OCYS can't figure out a way to make the huge drop in numbers look favorable.

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No matter how many different ways this question has been asked nobody will answer how many kids OCYS registered after tryouts this year because it will confirm that they lost significant numbers. Then it will be spun that this was intentional or that club won't be impacted negatively with loss of 500k in revenue because clubs don't make much money on premier teams. No answer yet because the marketing gurus at OCYS can't figure out a way to make the huge drop in numbers look favorable.

The losses were on the girls side mostly, the boys side probably remained pretty close to the same. What I think the difference will be in the levels of play. Last season the purple teams were fairly decent overall, but I think what's happened is those what players didn't move up to DA or ECNL most likely decided to go elsewhere so the purple teams are now made up of white and red players and perhaps some top players from other clubs who moved over.

OCYS did a horrible job of communicating last year at all levels. They were great about getting the message out to the public but often fell short on making their members feel like they were anything more than a revenue stream.