OCYS Consolidated Thread

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Part of that was self imposed though right? I was talking to a parent of a U12 kid and he said they were asking kids from the bottom teams not to come back for tryouts. So I guess they want to keep the number of teams down.

correct for my sons age group u12 boys last year we had 7 teams--this year they only formed 4 teams and told the rest of the boys to try out somewhere else or play rec

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U/12 fall 2012-2013 season

correct for my sons age group u12 boys last year we had 7 teams--this year they only formed 4 teams and told the rest of the boys to try out somewhere else or play rec

The u/12 had only 6 teams not 7
Purple, White, Red-1, Red 2, gold N, and Gold E
and Red 1/2 had 5 players overlap.

also 8 v 8 roster of 11 and 12 max

now at U/13 go to 16 man rosters.

OCYS at u/13 has Purple, White, Red, and Gold--4 teams--they did not loose 2 full teams. If you take away the overlap of red 1/2 and the roster size increase.

6 teams into 4 full 16 man roster teams are the same numbers! Also some u/12 did go to play for FKK rising u/13--good luck !

There was not much fall out on the boys side at all.

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Lets put it this way for the 4231 formation. the one forward with his back to the Goal needs to play this way so he can see the ball coming in the air and know which way to chase it.

The 2 outside need to move back and forth cause they have to chase it when its kicked down the field. If the other teams defender wins the 50 50 and kicks it back in the air then the 2 outside players are out of position and need to spring back and chase it back from the other team. The 3 in the middle rarely pass it to each other cause they are not trained to keep ball on the ground and make easy 10 to 20 yard passes.

If you want to do this right it should be taught from when they are small yet we all know when they are young the fields are much small and playing 8v8 and 6v6 is just a lot more kickball that gets taught in those configurations. One Pass and you are already on goal.

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If that's how you are playing then you are clueless. The 1 plays with their back to the goal as much as forward. Its not a long-ball situation. The two outside backs come forward and the three play out of the center. It's a very creative formation that allows for dynamic kids to play. Everything you bozos are complaining about is absolutely wrong.

AH loves players that 1 and 2 touch at a young age. He told the entire coaching staff that they should only do passing and receiving at practice. Fact! Not 1 defending or 1v1 session is in the OCYS curriculum.

No creativity, no taking chances, no 1v1 equals no development. Forget the Barca way as this is taught late in the game after skills are acquired.

All those idiots that think they understand the 4-2-3-1 have no club. Playing and teaching this system takes a lot of work. Take a look at the pro team and you will notice they don't even play the system anymore.

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AH loves players that 1 and 2 touch at a young age. He told the entire coaching staff that they should only do passing and receiving at practice. Fact! Not 1 defending or 1v1 session is in the OCYS curriculum.

No creativity, no taking chances, no 1v1 equals no development. Forget the Barca way as this is taught late in the game after skills are acquired.

All those idiots that think they understand the 4-2-3-1 have no club. Playing and teaching this system takes a lot of work. Take a look at the pro team and you will notice they don't even play the system anymore.

You are wrong because you really don't understand I guess. I don't even play soccer and I can get the idea. A 4231 allows for structure on the field. That is all. They can adjust the positions which not only includes a 433 but a 451 or lets get nutty and go 343. It really depends on who you are playing. And the lone forward as you put it isn't a back to goal forward only. It amazes me that you harp on lack of creativity which shows your lack of understanding. If you understand the style your teammates will play, it allows you to be more creative with each other not just a one man show.

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AH loves players that 1 and 2 touch at a young age. He told the entire coaching staff that they should only do passing and receiving at practice. Fact! Not 1 defending or 1v1 session is in the OCYS curriculum.

No creativity, no taking chances, no 1v1 equals no development. Forget the Barca way as this is taught late in the game after skills are acquired.

All those idiots that think they understand the 4-2-3-1 have no club. Playing and teaching this system takes a lot of work. Take a look at the pro team and you will notice they don't even play the system anymore.

Name a quaility English developed player. Please don't say Wayne Rooney.

EPL has the money at moment to buy talent. Mostly foreign players in England.

The English can't and have never developed soccer players. Don't be fooled by all the hype.

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Name a quaility English developed player. Please don't say Wayne Rooney.

EPL has the money at moment to buy talent. Mostly foreign players in England.

The English can't and have never developed soccer players. Don't be fooled by all the hype.

They do a better job than the Americans.

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Name a quaility English developed player. Please don't say Wayne Rooney.

The English can't and have never developed soccer players. Don't be fooled by all the hype.

Here are 10 easy ones, now be quiet and take your one-eyed bigotry elsewhere

Gareth Bale (current best on his team)
Theo Walcott
Jack Wilshire (current best on his team)
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Frank Lampard (was best on his team for years)
John Terry
Steven Gerrard (was best on his team for years)
Jamie Carragher
Michael Carrick
Ryan Giggs (was best on his team for years)


oh and I did not even have to name Wayne.

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Here are 10 easy ones, now be quiet and take your one-eyed bigotry elsewhere

Gareth Bale (current best on his team)
Theo Walcott
Jack Wilshire (current best on his team)
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Frank Lampard (was best on his team for years)
John Terry
Steven Gerrard (was best on his team for years)
Jamie Carragher
Michael Carrick
Ryan Giggs (was best on his team for years)


oh and I did not even have to name Wayne.

FWIW Giggs and Bales are Welsch. Giggs never played in a World Cup and Bale will likely never play in one either. England has had plenty of good players no doubt but let's be honest and say they have been massive underachievers as a country in the World Cup and Euros.

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You are wrong because you really don't understand I guess. I don't even play soccer and I can get the idea. A 4231 allows for structure on the field. That is all. They can adjust the positions which not only includes a 433 but a 451 or lets get nutty and go 343. It really depends on who you are playing. And the lone forward as you put it isn't a back to goal forward only. It amazes me that you harp on lack of creativity which shows your lack of understanding. If you understand the style your teammates will play, it allows you to be more creative with each other not just a one man show.

Hey stupid, you have no idea what you are talking about. A 12 year old does not get changing from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3 and so on and so on. You are talking about what a pro knows and understands. The system and the structure surrounding OC is not good for children.

You should stick to watching TV and drinking your beers with your English friends.

By the way even Gareth Bale gets it, can you say Real Madrid!

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Hey stupid, you have no idea what you are talking about. A 12 year old does not get changing from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3 and so on and so on. You are talking about what a pro knows and understands. The system and the structure surrounding OC is not good for children.

You should stick to watching TV and drinking your beers with your English friends.

By the way even Gareth Bale gets it, can you say Real Madrid!

Showing your ignorance again. No a 12 year old may not understand that because it is their 1st year at 11v11 maybe. They may not know how to define what they are doing yet but can get the concept of push your outside mids up and you know they are a 433 but havent defined it yet. It doesn't change your concept of 4231 but just your positioning. It is adjusting to play. That's what you are missing. You start that basic understanding at 6v6 and 8v8. I have put my time into understanding the idea of what a formation means and how it helps a team and a club instead of bitching and moaning about it. I agree with the idea.

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FWIW Giggs and Bales are Welsch. Giggs never played in a World Cup and Bale will likely never play in one either. England has had plenty of good players no doubt but let's be honest and say they have been massive underachievers as a country in the World Cup and Euros.

I know they are Welsh.

You stated "English DEVELOPED".....
1. Gareth Bale was developed by Southampton and then Tottenham.
2. Ryan Giggs by Man Utd.

World cups have nothing to do with this discussion. You can be world-class by playing and succeeding in the champions league.

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I know they are Welsh.

You stated "English DEVELOPED".....
1. Gareth Bale was developed by Southampton and then Tottenham.
2. Ryan Giggs by Man Utd.

World cups have nothing to do with this discussion. You can be world-class by playing and succeeding in the champions league.

True, but Orlando City Youth Soccer will be the greatest youth cub in the Southeastern US. Just you wait!

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did the Club Grow?

OCYS had 1800 members last year. How many this year?

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Showing your ignorance again. No a 12 year old may not understand that because it is their 1st year at 11v11 maybe. They may not know how to define what they are doing yet but can get the concept of push your outside mids up and you know they are a 433 but havent defined it yet. It doesn't change your concept of 4231 but just your positioning. It is adjusting to play. That's what you are missing. You start that basic understanding at 6v6 and 8v8. I have put my time into understanding the idea of what a formation means and how it helps a team and a club instead of bitching and moaning about it. I agree with the idea.

Please just drink your beer and allow people who know what they are doing help the children. The concept of pushing your mids up, really. A 4-3-3 really. Anyone can say push up from the sideline dad. Yes the kids could get that. Teaching why, when, how and the tactical/technical applications of the concept is what is important. Since you are so bent on proving to the world that the 4-2-3-1 works why are you still talking about the ability to go to a 4-3-3. Take a look at the US Soccer curriculum. They want you playing a 4-3-3. Look it up and read it.

The reality is the system really does not matter, ask any pro. The players matter. Yes you can go from 1 forward to 3, you can go from 4 backs to 3, yes you can make changes.

Your problem is you think teaching the kids the system and the structure is what what help them. Teaching the children how to play the game, how to think, how to make decisions, when, why, how and giving them the freedom and ability to do those things is what creates players.

At OC they do not allow players to think for themselves. If you are an outside back you attack all day. If you are a holding mid you stay and nver go. If you are and outside mid you stay tucked in, period.

Go back to drinking dude, you will be better off.