OCYS Consolidated Thread

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The main thing is that we did it and had better seasons than your daughters. All u18 ladies are signing on feb 5th and I think the next couple of age groups will parallel that success. Maybe not 100% but hopefully for my kids sake we get close.

You do need to hope FKK succeeds because unless you are one of those parents in denial, our girls going back to OCYS would mean purple, FCA, or ACY whatever for you.

Seriously? Still? Two fleas fighting over the dog's butt. Unbelieveable you two go at each other as if you had something to brag about. Both last year and this year's ECNL team's are terrible. So you think you have superior players? Where? When? One team wins at Disney Showcase and that is superior? Both your teams are delusional. Meanwhile real clubs like Rush and SCA keep racking up State Cups. Losers. Both of ya are losers.

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Any updates on Orlando City tearing down the Church to build their private stadium.

Eminent Domain is a very regular occurrence that happens a lot more than most people realize. Orlando City isn't building the stadium and nor are they using eminent domain. The City of Orlando is doing both. It's a legal proceeding where the property is awarded to the City or other governmental group that can legally demonstrate the property is necessary for public purpose. This isn't the first church to be subject to it. The City is still going to have to compensate the church for the property and in all likelihood the church will end up getting 2 to 3 times the appraised value.

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Eminent Domain is a very regular occurrence that happens a lot more than most people realize. Orlando City isn't building the stadium and nor are they using eminent domain. The City of Orlando is doing both. It's a legal proceeding where the property is awarded to the City or other governmental group that can legally demonstrate the property is necessary for public purpose. This isn't the first church to be subject to it. The City is still going to have to compensate the church for the property and in all likelihood the church will end up getting 2 to 3 times the appraised value.

The City funding a stadium for a billionaire vs Worshipping The Lord for local citizens in an area of the City that was forgotten. You be the judge!

The church can not rebuild for 2/3 times the value. The value for the church is the church.

If we can't feel sorry for these members or the human rights violation here then who can we feel empathy for. The Lord has his ways of making good!

The citrus bowl renovation is costing the City another 200 million. Let's hope our mayor knows what's he's doing.

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Eminent Domain is a very regular occurrence that happens a lot more than most people realize. Orlando City isn't building the stadium and nor are they using eminent domain. The City of Orlando is doing both. It's a legal proceeding where the property is awarded to the City or other governmental group that can legally demonstrate the property is necessary for public purpose. This isn't the first church to be subject to it. The City is still going to have to compensate the church for the property and in all likelihood the church will end up getting 2 to 3 times the appraised value.

As with ALL things OCYS…whatever helps you sleep at night

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Keep your Fish & Chips, warm beer, arrogant attitudes not impressed with your teaching skills. Go USA!

Pay attention Doris. He was criticizing OCYS. Sheesh.

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What the English don't understand about youth and professional soccer in America is that they are not intertwined like they are across the pond.

In England the neighborhood soccer club is both a youth and semiprofessional club. Youth, primarily males, progress through the youth club and potentially play within the adult semiprofessional club teams. The fortunate ones, again primarily males, may progress onward and be traded/sold/transferred to bigger and better clubs as either youth or young adult players.

American youth soccer does not have this tradition or history. Youth soccer is leisure activity financed by parents for the their children here. The parents loyalty is to their child and is devoid of history and tradition to a local club. The infancy of the MLS and subservient leagues provides a small window of opportunity to play and a professional level, again only for males.

OCYS continues to try and build a franchise and a club based upon history and tradition that is not a shared experience with the parents of the youth players. Soccer in America is growing but still exists on the periphery of sports culture. Their youth customers, whom are parents, have little historical understanding and appreciation for the game. Parents in America are loyal to their child and have minimal understanding and desire to elevate the club.

Best of luck to Ocity with MLS, but their entry into and mismanagement of the youth club will continue as it is based on a flawed perception of sports and leisure here in America.

Excellent insight and dead on in most respects. The one point you did not make is that in the development academies outside the US, the parents sign the rights to their child's lucrative pro contract over to the club. That is principally what funds the academies. The player still makes a brilliant salary if they are a pro-level player and can take care of mum and dad. The point being is that the parent is taken out of the club relationship at a very early age. The relationship is between player and coach with no meddling or interference from the parents.

I believe OCYS understands they can't charge thousands of dollars to play soccer and not include the parents. Quite frankly, beyond the financial resources, the parents are also needed for volunteering and team management. With no money coming in to fund the academy from the professional leagues, it not only requires pay-to-play soccer, but also sweat equity to keep the club running during tournaments and special events.

Where do I think this will go? Hard to say in our lifetime. I have seen the sport grow from an odd "foreigner" sport to mainstream youth sport. Over 13 million kids are playing the game in the US and eventually those kids will be parents introducing their 5 and 6-year old kids to soccer. If it follows the same trajectory, I could see soccer become a money sport in the US.

What I can't predict is how the US adoption of soccer to the big money ranks will change the game. The rest of the world has soccer as their primary sport. The rest of the world evolved over hundreds of years. The rise of soccer in the US has been recent. The wealth of US sports dwarfs any other sports economies. It would be foolish to assume the US will simply adopt the world's model of youth development and start opening pro academies. For one, child labor laws forbid assigning player rights over to the club. For another, there is still a diverse number of moneyball sports available to rising superstars. I believe the next 10-years will see great change in US Youth Soccer. I won't predict which organizing body will come out on top. I will simply say that there will be some unforeseen developments and those early adopters of the eventual dominant development system will be the big winners both financially and on the pitch.

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The City funding a stadium for a billionaire vs Worshipping The Lord for local citizens in an area of the City that was forgotten. You be the judge!

The church can not rebuild for 2/3 times the value. The value for the church is the church.

If we can't feel sorry for these members or the human rights violation here then who can we feel empathy for. The Lord has his ways of making good!

The citrus bowl renovation is costing the City another 200 million. Let's hope our mayor knows what's he's doing.

Again, it's great that you want your voice heard because you hate all things Orlando City, but where are you and your big voice when the State, County, and City are condemning other churches and private citizens? Where were you when the property was purchased/taken for the arena? What about all of the "takings" that FDOT is doing for their I-4 Ultimate Project? This happens so frequently that most every major law firm has a branch of their business dedicated to eminent domain. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying that I think your issue is more with OC than it is with keeping the church whole. If churches and private citizens property and their compensation matters to you then contact the City, State, and County and find out the major projects on the books that they have that will require property acquisition. Then go and complain as much as you are now. This happens way more than you know! And before you continue to feel so sorry for them please know that they have a great attorney who is poised to get as much as he can for the church to get as much as he can for his fee... 35 mil...please! They know what they're doing and don't need your disingenuous sympathy.

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Seriously? Still? Two fleas fighting over the dog's butt. Unbelieveable you two go at each other as if you had something to brag about. Both last year and this year's ECNL team's are terrible. So you think you have superior players? Where? When? One team wins at Disney Showcase and that is superior? Both your teams are delusional. Meanwhile real clubs like Rush and SCA keep racking up State Cups. Losers. Both of ya are losers.

Some of us are more interested in our kids playing beyond youth club soccer. A few years after they move on to college those State Cup medals are meaningless.

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FYI ... The "Church" is people who worship Christ. It isn't a building.

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FYI ... The "Church" is people who worship Christ. It isn't a building.

strill a building

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FYI ... The "Church" is people who worship Christ. It isn't a building.

Why of course... So nobody should be upset if some rich guy wants to knock down St. Peter's to build a movie theatre... It's only a building, ya know.

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FYI ... The "Church" is people who worship Christ. It isn't a building.

"Congress shall make no law..."

It's a building.

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Again, it's great that you want your voice heard because you hate all things Orlando City, but where are you and your big voice when the State, County, and City are condemning other churches and private citizens? Where were you when the property was purchased/taken for the arena? What about all of the "takings" that FDOT is doing for their I-4 Ultimate Project? This happens so frequently that most every major law firm has a branch of their business dedicated to eminent domain. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying that I think your issue is more with OC than it is with keeping the church whole. If churches and private citizens property and their compensation matters to you then contact the City, State, and County and find out the major projects on the books that they have that will require property acquisition. Then go and complain as much as you are now. This happens way more than you know! And before you continue to feel so sorry for them please know that they have a great attorney who is poised to get as much as he can for the church to get as much as he can for his fee... 35 mil...please! They know what they're doing and don't need your disingenuous sympathy.

So... You approve of destroying a church in a poor minority neighborhood at the whim of a rich foreign businessman.

Got it.

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So... You approve of destroying a church in a poor minority neighborhood at the whim of a rich foreign businessman.

Got it.

Don't approve, but know enough about the process to know that the church is more on board than you realize. They are posturing to get as much out of this financially as possible. Trust me they would be highly upset at this point if the City figured out how to do this and leave them alone and untouched. They recognize their opportunity to profit from their inconvenience.

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Don't approve, but know enough about the process to know that the church is more on board than you realize. They are posturing to get as much out of this financially as possible. Trust me they would be highly upset at this point if the City figured out how to do this and leave them alone and untouched. They recognize their opportunity to profit from their inconvenience.

Stop patronizing... everyone understands tactics on both sides. What you are ignoring is the "optics":

"Foreign business interests cause historic local minority church to be thrown out in the cold"- that's perception.