NEP/US Club State Cup

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This whole thing is a joke. So the top two teams play each other and tie. Then they play an inferior team with no goal differential to see who can beat the crap out of the team worse and THAT is who makes it in??? Wrong on so many levels. I thought the spirit was to have the best teams play to see who represents the state at nationals. Can anyone logically tell me how this makes sense?? The rules in nationals is a 4 goal differential. After that either or a rematch or a shootout makes sense... This ruling of no goal diff is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while. And those two teams played in like early April. ***?? Who sets this crap up? Oh and they played on one of the teams home field. I can't even make this stuff up.... Even better the third team is an affiliated team AND they played after so they knew the score. Lol.

This is a little bit sour grapes. While I don't disagree that there must be a better way to do this, there were zero complaints before these games were played and the rules were set in advance so everyone knew they needed to score as many goals as possible. Would you be complaining if your team was the one advancing?

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Not op here. Honestly the answer to your question while valid is no. I can understand your question for sure. It is valid. Truth be told all stars parents (and players) went into the game thinking just win 4-0 and we will have a shootout. We saw the national rules..... I guess our bad. Once we were up 4-0 we laid off and didn't really try to run it up......you could see the game completely change. All parents were saying ok get ready for the shoot out. When will it be? Had we known differently we would have pressed for more. So you can say sour grapes but this is the truth. How can anyone disagree that these two teams should play again. I know.... Not the rules. But the right answer.

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Not op here. Honestly the answer to your question while valid is no. I can understand your question for sure. It is valid. Truth be told all stars parents (and players) went into the game thinking just win 4-0 and we will have a shootout. We saw the national rules..... I guess our bad. Once we were up 4-0 we laid off and didn't really try to run it up......you could see the game completely change. All parents were saying ok get ready for the shoot out. When will it be? Had we known differently we would have pressed for more. So you can say sour grapes but this is the truth. How can anyone disagree that these two teams should play again. I know.... Not the rules. But the right answer.

Why wouldn't you press for more and avoid the crapshoot of a shootout anyway?

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Not op here. Honestly the answer to your question while valid is no. I can understand your question for sure. It is valid. Truth be told all stars parents (and players) went into the game thinking just win 4-0 and we will have a shootout. We saw the national rules..... I guess our bad. Once we were up 4-0 we laid off and didn't really try to run it up......you could see the game completely change. All parents were saying ok get ready for the shoot out. When will it be? Had we known differently we would have pressed for more. So you can say sour grapes but this is the truth. How can anyone disagree that these two teams should play again. I know.... Not the rules. But the right answer.

"We" didn't play the game, the players did. The parents are not responsible for looking up and knowing the rules. That is why you pay the coach. And from what I heard, the coach was still encouraging the players to score, even at the end of the game. So the coach knew the rules.

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Why wouldn't you press for more and avoid the crapshoot of a shootout anyway?

Simple. Because the team believed at the time was that there was a 4 goal max.......so the team believed that if they won 4-0 they were guaranteed a shootout and know seacoast would hit the goal max it was all irrelevant. It was never about running up the score on an inferior team........so running it up would have done nothing except be a classless move.....which is what I thought goal differentials were all about (protecting the weaker teams). In the teams mind, the shoot was inevitable..........wrong answer. Should scored 20 and demoralized the other team......that is what this setup does. Lesson learned.....good luck to both teams this weekend. None of these posts are meant to be sour grapes or take anything away from the two finalists....both good teams with good kids....just pointing out a terrible process.

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Simple. Because the team believed at the time was that there was a 4 goal max.......so the team believed that if they won 4-0 they were guaranteed a shootout and know seacoast would hit the goal max it was all irrelevant. It was never about running up the score on an inferior team........so running it up would have done nothing except be a classless move.....which is what I thought goal differentials were all about (protecting the weaker teams). In the teams mind, the shoot was inevitable..........wrong answer. Should scored 20 and demoralized the other team......that is what this setup does. Lesson learned.....good luck to both teams this weekend. None of these posts are meant to be sour grapes or take anything away from the two finalists....both good teams with good kids....just pointing out a terrible process.

No coach in the world takes the foot off the gas at 4-0 in a tournamnet game because there is a 4 goal max differential. No matter how dominate you are playing, one corner kick or a PK and you are screwed.

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"We" didn't play the game, the players did. The parents are not responsible for looking up and knowing the rules. That is why you pay the coach. And from what I heard, the coach was still encouraging the players to score, even at the end of the game. So the coach knew the rules.

Well that is a new element to the conversation. So which one is it? The coach knew the rules and tried to run up the score and then cried foul after Seacoast outscored them or he didn't do his job and know the rules before the game?

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I would contact the national tournament and ask to have rules clarified. The max goal rules are there to keep sister teams from taking a 7-0 dive.

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I would contact the national tournament and ask to have rules clarified. The max goal rules are there to keep sister teams from taking a 7-0 dive.

Or read the rules on the website...There is no mention to max 4 goals:
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Group Play Standings
Standings Determined:
WIN
3 points
TIE
1 point
LOSS
0 points
* Forfeit will count as a 3-0 win for opposing team.

Group Play Tiebreakers: In the event of a tie for first place/best second place in the standings at the completion of the group play, the higher seed will be decided by the following tiebreakers, in order:

Head to Head
Goal differential
Most goals overall
Fewest goals allowed
Number of shutouts
In the event that the teams are tied after all tiebreakers, the 2 teams in question will play each other to determine the top seed. A Neutral Field will be provided by the New England Premiership.
Tie Games: If a regularly scheduled game ends in a tie score at the end of regulation playing time, the game and score shall stand as official.
Team Withdraws from Competition: If a team withdraws from competition prior to having completed half of the original schedule of games, results of these games will be deleted from the records.
Team Withdraws from Competition: After Half of the Original Schedule of Games: If a team withdraws from competition after half of the original schedule of games has been completed results of such games will be recorded as played and all remaining games as 3-0 forfeits.

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Us Club tournaments are a joke.
The intention is not to win, it's to be able to post on your website that the team qualified for the National Cup.
NEP now sends teams form state cups directly to national finals.
Last year it was only 1 team per age group New England regional winner now all 4 state cup winner qualify.
Also there are no residency rules for state cup total joke.
Us Youth Soccer has rules and that's the way to go.

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Or read the rules on the website...There is no mention to max 4 goals:
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Group Play Standings
Standings Determined:
WIN
3 points
TIE
1 point
LOSS
0 points
* Forfeit will count as a 3-0 win for opposing team.

Group Play Tiebreakers: In the event of a tie for first place/best second place in the standings at the completion of the group play, the higher seed will be decided by the following tiebreakers, in order:

Head to Head
Goal differential
Most goals overall
Fewest goals allowed
Number of shutouts
In the event that the teams are tied after all tiebreakers, the 2 teams in question will play each other to determine the top seed. A Neutral Field will be provided by the New England Premiership.
Tie Games: If a regularly scheduled game ends in a tie score at the end of regulation playing time, the game and score shall stand as official.
Team Withdraws from Competition: If a team withdraws from competition prior to having completed half of the original schedule of games, results of these games will be deleted from the records.
Team Withdraws from Competition: After Half of the Original Schedule of Games: If a team withdraws from competition after half of the original schedule of games has been completed results of such games will be recorded as played and all remaining games as 3-0 forfeits.

Boom there it is! Coach is asleep at the wheel but you can give him another $2,000 within the next week. Cheers

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No coach in the world takes the foot off the gas at 4-0 in a tournamnet game because there is a 4 goal max differential. No matter how dominate you are playing, one corner kick or a PK and you are screwed.

I think you are being a bit litteral. The score went to 5-0 very quickly.....the ball was never the stars half of the field. Lot more time on throw ins, corners, free kicks etc. playing the ball into the corner instead of trying to run up the score is the point. you could clearly see the change......It was obvious to anyone who knows the game the urgency was not even close to there once they were up.....Nobody said the completely stopped playing...there is a big diffence in managing time versus trying with urgency to score

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With all sincere respect the express team,!thet should play in presidents cup. There are 3 teams with a legit shot at winning. Yes I know anything can happen..... But the top 3 teams should have to beat each other to see who deserves to go. Original poster is correct in that this result leaves a lot to be desired in terms of a real winner. Any honest person would agree. Not sure about rules. But if the state rules are different, that is odd and also kinda dumb. Goal differentials are meant to protect teams like the express so teams layoff once up. And also to makes sure that you have to beat the other top opponents to move on. This clearly doesn't happen in these ridiculous set up

Except Presidents cup is much harder to get to finals. They have residency requirements.
Win your state goto regionals compete against 10 to 15 other states if you win you go to finals.

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Except Presidents cup is much harder to get to finals. They have residency requirements.
Win your state goto regionals compete against 10 to 15 other states if you win you go to finals.

Alright buddy. We get it. USYS is better. Town teams (and World Cup) kick ass. Now back to 1998 for you.

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Seacoast Express is a town team.