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Most countries in this world have healthcare systems that provide for their citizens. In the richest country in the world, healthcare is for profit, not for people. You obviously have been brainwashed by corporate propaganda into thinking that’s the way it should be.

I'm sure the OP would prefer his mother was being treated for cancer in New Zealand than here in America. In NZ she'd only have to worry about getting through her treatment. Here she has to worry about costs, treatment AND Covid killing her before cancer does.

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Yes, but the scientist also said this didn’t have to happen if you REALLY locked down, religiously wore masks and practiced social distancing, and did contact tracing. It NEVER needed to be this bad. Look at Asia where all this supposedly started. China, South Korea, Japan, Thailand, Singapore, New Zealand, etc. are all pretty normal with few cases now because they did what was needed. They had experience with SARS and H1N1 to take things seriously. US and Europe are too politically divided and unequal to deal with it.

You need to update your reference points

Google “Europe coronavirus” and “japan coronavirus”

Feel free to share the results of those searches.

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I'm sure the OP would prefer his mother was being treated for cancer in New Zealand than here in America. In NZ she'd only have to worry about getting through her treatment. Here she has to worry about costs, treatment AND Covid killing her before cancer does.

Is New Zealand known for their exceptional medical care? I think I’d prefer to use a world renown hospital in Boston.
While we do need a more I inclusive system but there’s a reason Canadians come to the US for specialists and not the other way around, and a reason why those specialists excel. This is not a binary discussion. It’s also not a soccer discussion but oh well.

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Are you that thick? Do you really think anyone thinks Trump deserves credit for the vaccine itself. He deserves credit for the incentives for Pfizer to form the partnership and acceleration of approvals to get it to market at record pace, and facilitating distribution assistance. Jeeesh

Now who’s being thick? Pfizer and other companies didn’t need an incentive to bring vaccines to market. They step in when there is a need, especially since Covid threatens their businesses too with people putting off treatment, can’t afford drugs being out of work, their employees getting sick, etc. For some like Moderna that have never made a product, this is their time to shine and there is plenty of private money being thrown at them to do it now. Go read how Moderna, etc. had gene sequenced the Covid virus from information that China provided back in January BEFORE Trump had done a single thing about Covid other than calling it a hoax.

As far approvals go, the CDC and FDA don’t need Trump’s blessing to do emergency drug authorizations. That’s within the powers assigned to them in law by Congress and not the first time in history drugs have been rushed to market. Trump and his supporters must have skipped the 5th grade class where you learn about the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of our government because he (and they ) like to think he ran things like some sort of dictator. The US government doesn’t need Trump or his band of misfits to operate. And thank god they don’t or he’d be selling those vaccine vials to the highest bidder!

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Is New Zealand known for their exceptional medical care? I think I’d prefer to use a world renown hospital in Boston.
While we do need a more I inclusive system but there’s a reason Canadians come to the US for specialists and not the other way around, and a reason why those specialists excel. This is not a binary discussion. It’s also not a soccer discussion but oh well.

You should try leaving the US now and then. Many other nations have excellent on par healthcare, with the bonus that you won't go broke getting it and can't lose it either. Before ACA came along a cancer patient could have been dropped from the health insurance plan, if they even had one, and their history of having cancer would have kept them off other plans for years following.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...ex-rating-2016
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...ystem?slide=11
https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...e-in-the-world

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You need to update your reference points

Google “Europe coronavirus” and “japan coronavirus”

Feel free to share the results of those searches.

Yes cases are going up in other northern climate countries, but not nearly as fast and with far fewer cases per capita than the US

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Now who’s being thick? Pfizer and other companies didn’t need an incentive to bring vaccines to market. They step in when there is a need, especially since Covid threatens their businesses too with people putting off treatment, can’t afford drugs being out of work, their employees getting sick, etc. For some like Moderna that have never made a product, this is their time to shine and there is plenty of private money being thrown at them to do it now. Go read how Moderna, etc. had gene sequenced the Covid virus from information that China provided back in January BEFORE Trump had done a single thing about Covid other than calling it a hoax.

As far approvals go, the CDC and FDA don’t need Trump’s blessing to do emergency drug authorizations. That’s within the powers assigned to them in law by Congress and not the first time in history drugs have been rushed to market. Trump and his supporters must have skipped the 5th grade class where you learn about the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of our government because he (and they ) like to think he ran things like some sort of dictator. The US government doesn’t need Trump or his band of misfits to operate. And thank god they don’t or he’d be selling those vaccine vials to the highest bidder!

So for the bad things its all on Trump, and for the good things you focus on the separation of powers, and the importance of distributed accountability. I have that right?

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Yes cases are going up in other northern climate countries, but not nearly as fast and with far fewer cases per capita than the US

Fewer cases per capita in other countries cuz they have fewer fatties per capita.

Much better medical terminology out there, but 4 out of 5 doctors agree

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So for the bad things its all on Trump, and for the good things you focus on the separation of powers, and the importance of distributed accountability. I have that right?

You would be hard pressed to name another president in our lifetime who made more outlandish claims and sought more credit constantly than Trump. From border walls that never were built or paid for by Mexico to being the best president for blacks since Lincoln, he probably accomplished nothing that will be long-term good for the country. The icing on the cake unfortunately will be his treating the Covid pandemic like a joke. Probably his greatest achievement (and harm) will be making people hate their own democracy and their fellow Americans.

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You would be hard pressed to name another president in our lifetime who made more outlandish claims and sought more credit constantly than Trump. From border walls that never were built or paid for by Mexico to being the best president for blacks since Lincoln, he probably accomplished nothing that will be long-term good for the country. The icing on the cake unfortunately will be his treating the Covid pandemic like a joke. Probably his greatest achievement (and harm) will be making people hate their own democracy and their fellow Americans.

Best President US has had in decades. Made all you libbie arseholes realize that at least half the country knows you are all a bunch of hypocritical cry babies.

Back to your basement and wait for the vaccine ....for a virus that has a 99.8% recovery rate. Also don't read the CNN news....new strain in UK!!!!! Oh my, lets hide out again. Pussy

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You would be hard pressed to name another president in our lifetime who made more outlandish claims and sought more credit constantly than Trump. From border walls that never were built or paid for by Mexico to being the best president for blacks since Lincoln, he probably accomplished nothing that will be long-term good for the country. The icing on the cake unfortunately will be his treating the Covid pandemic like a joke. Probably his greatest achievement (and harm) will be making people hate their own democracy and their fellow Americans.

I am not a hard core Trumper, I acknowledge his faults, but likewise anti-Trumpers should acknowledge good things he did.
Mexico did not cut a check but the re-work of NAFTA and the need for asylum seekers to seek in the first country they cross rather than traveling through several countries to reach America is an effective ‘payment’.
The Lincoln comment is pure hyperbole as are many of Trumps statements, but he did good things for minorities in legal reform, opportunity zones, job creation, among others.
Trump did nothing to bring people together but blaming him for the separation is not accurate. Obama’s administration created a divide that made Trump’s election possible. Hilary’s ‘deplorables’ comment came before Trumps election. The comments about Republican’s from Democratic pols and voters have been highly charged. As the saying goes: if you do not learn from history you will be doomed to repeat it. If you do not want to see Trump 2024, then force our politicians to stop the identity politics that made Trumps first term possible.

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Yes cases are going up in other northern climate countries, but not nearly as fast and with far fewer cases per capita than the US

Mortality rate of the disease is higher in Italy, Spain and UK

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

I’m sure there are other stats you can present. You can pick and choose which numbers to review, but to claim the US is an outlier is not accurate.

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You would be hard pressed to name another president in our lifetime who made more outlandish claims and sought more credit constantly than Trump. From border walls that never were built or paid for by Mexico to being the best president for blacks since Lincoln, he probably accomplished nothing that will be long-term good for the country. The icing on the cake unfortunately will be his treating the Covid pandemic like a joke. Probably his greatest achievement (and harm) will be making people hate their own democracy and their fellow Americans.

I agree with you. I can not name another president more outlandish nor focused on narcissistic self-eggrandizing. I agree his presence caused more divide than unity, i could keep on going about how he was bad, that doesn't mean I am incapable of recognizing where he was good. Are you capable of that? If not, then you just proved that in your mind everything bad is all his fault - cuz, you know he's president, i stops with him - and everything good is due to someone else - cuz you know the president doesn’t actually do that

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Mortality rate of the disease is higher in Italy, Spain and UK

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

I’m sure there are other stats you can present. You can pick and choose which numbers to review, but to claim the US is an outlier is not accurate.

UK no is no longer part of the EU. Do Spain and Italy represent all of the EU? Your link is as useless as ranting about NY as its all totals, not more recent data. They all got slammed early in the spring.

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I agree with you. I can not name another president more outlandish nor focused on narcissistic self-eggrandizing. I agree his presence caused more divide than unity, i could keep on going about how he was bad, that doesn't mean I am incapable of recognizing where he was good. Are you capable of that? If not, then you just proved that in your mind everything bad is all his fault - cuz, you know he's president, i stops with him - and everything good is due to someone else - cuz you know the president doesn’t actually do that

This is a soccer thread not a political thread u douchbag. Yah like o’biden will step up. Hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha hahahahhahahahahaahhahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahja ahjahahahaahahuaahuahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahaha