ECNL wants to switch back to school year from birth year

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So my June '07 child who's a freshman currently will have to play with juniors next year?
So she will miss Sophomore year showcases?

Okay so let's say she attends showcases next year with the team of juniors and a scout is interested in her, they can't technically contact her because she's actually still a sophomore. Correct?

What? She'll be a sophomore so she'll play with sophomores with her graduation year. What's so hard to understand?

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What? She'll be a sophomore so she'll play with sophomores with her graduation year. What's so hard to understand?

According to the new rule June '09 players should be on a team with juniors next year. No?

(She was held back)

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So my June '09 child who's a freshman currently will have to play with juniors next year?
So she will miss Sophomore year showcases?

Okay so let's say she attends showcases next year with the team of juniors and a scout is interested in her, they can't technically contact her because she's actually still a sophomore. Correct?

Your June 09 is playing now with sophomores/next year juniors. Things would be unchanged for her

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Nope! Your math is off by a year. Most kids start kindergarten when they are 5, not 6. But it's OK, and certainly legal to start at 6 as you are also stating. A July kid starting kindergarten at 6 years 1 month will be one of the older kids in their grade, but under 8/1 soccer cut off would have to play with mostly kids one grade higher.

To be explicit, the legal range to start kindergarten is between 5 year 0-1 month to 6 years 8-9 months, much wider than some would have you believe.

You two are mostly arguing the same point. Above you talk about kindergarten. The other poster notes the law establishing the date by which to start school. That law applies to 1st grade since kindergarten is not mandatory in MA. So both arguments end up with mainly 6 year olds in first grade.

However, your argument above of starting kindergarten at 6 years 9 months is inaccurate. That child would start 1st grade at that age. There is not a nearly 2 year age variance within a given grade unless a child was held back for a valid reason.

To complicate things further, the start dates for kindergarten are not consistent from town to town.

https://www.doe.mass.edu/sfs/earlyle...ces/entry.aspx

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According to the new rule June '09 players should be on a team with juniors next year. No?

(She was held back)

next years typical Juniors will be Sept 1 2008 to Aug 31 2009.
At June 2009 birthday, your child should be with that group. If she was held back, it will all depend on how the rule is written. If it only shifts birthdates then she will play with the Juniors. If it is written as grad year she will play with the 2028 class which is mainly Sept 1 2009 to Aug 31 2010.

From what I hear, there is a lot of push back on including the reclassed kids in grad year and your child will likely be playing with the juniors.

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next years typical Juniors will be Sept 1 2008 to Aug 31 2009.
At June 2009 birthday, your child should be with that group. If she was held back, it will all depend on how the rule is written. If it only shifts birthdates then she will play with the Juniors. If it is written as grad year she will play with the 2028 class which is mainly Sept 1 2009 to Aug 31 2010.

From what I hear, there is a lot of push back on including the reclassed kids in grad year and your child will likely be playing with the juniors.

Thank you.
I'm confident she will hold her own against them as she does already.
My worry is that scouts can't contact her like they can the rest of the team because she's still a sophomore in high school.

[Guest]

You two are mostly arguing the same point. Above you talk about kindergarten. The other poster notes the law establishing the date by which to start school. That law applies to 1st grade since kindergarten is not mandatory in MA. So both arguments end up with mainly 6 year olds in first grade.

However, your argument above of starting kindergarten at 6 years 9 months is inaccurate. That child would start 1st grade at that age. There is not a nearly 2 year age variance within a given grade unless a child was held back for a valid reason.

To complicate things further, the start dates for kindergarten are not consistent from town to town.

https://www.doe.mass.edu/sfs/earlyle...ces/entry.aspx

It says that the child needs to be in school the year they turn six. Doesn't say anything about first grade. Is kindergarten not school? Then why does it say minimum school age for kindergarten?

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It says that the child needs to be in school the year they turn six. Doesn't say anything about first grade. Is kindergarten not school? Then why does it say minimum school age for kindergarten?

In your experience, do you regularly have a 2 year age range in your kids classes? Regularly? Not little Jimmy who was started late
because he couldn’t stop wetting his pants. Not a missed a year of school because of Covid related hold back. Regularly? I have 4 kids and have only seen the rare case when a kid is held back and never at the wide end of your age range. 2 kids among all 4 of my kids classes. 1 held back because he missed the age cut off by 1 month and his parents thought he was immature for his age. And one who reclassed in 7th grade because of maturity/emotional issues.

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Another way to think about it is that most Jan-Aug parents choose an extra year of free childcare and send their children to kindergarten when they are 5, even though it's not mandatory that year. That's a choice made under free will, so why should kids that started kindergarten at 6 (again, VERY legal) be punished for not making that choice? It's not like some loophole was exploited, it's just most people generally like free child care so they ship their kids off to school as early as possible, which is not necessarily the best option for the kids.

Exactly. The guy who can't count to 6 or understand the use of "calendar year" in the regulation and keeps claiming it's a maximum age cutoff is gunning for King of the Stoopids on TS.

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In your experience, do you regularly have a 2 year age range in your kids classes? Regularly? Not little Jimmy who was started late
because he couldn’t stop wetting his pants. Not a missed a year of school because of Covid related hold back. Regularly? I have 4 kids and have only seen the rare case when a kid is held back and never at the wide end of your age range. 2 kids among all 4 of my kids classes. 1 held back because he missed the age cut off by 1 month and his parents thought he was immature for his age. And one who reclassed in 7th grade because of maturity/emotional issues.

In practice I rarely see Jan-May starting kindergarten at 6. Summer kids (Jun-Aug) are about half/half. The younger the age group (2017) the more prevalent later starts. Maybe COVID convinced people there is no rush to start too early. Only New York wants 4-year olds in

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Exactly. The guy who can't count to 6 or understand the use of "calendar year" in the regulation and keeps claiming it's a maximum age cutoff is gunning for King of the Stoopids on TS.

Starting kindergarten at 6 and then turning 7 during their kindergarten year is not the norm. It would end up with high school seniors turning 19 during their senior year. This is not the norm. Most people end high school as 18 year olds.

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Starting kindergarten at 6 and then turning 7 during their kindergarten year is not the norm. It would end up with high school seniors turning 19 during their senior year. This is not the norm. Most people end high school as 18 year olds.

It's not the norm, but it's not mandated, either. If there's a cut off max date it would have to be 12/31 of prior year. But the main point is that there is no max cut off date in the summer and those kids can start kindergarten at 6 and graduate as 18 years old.

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It's not the norm, but it's not mandated, either. If there's a cut off max date it would have to be 12/31 of prior year. But the main point is that there is no max cut off date in the summer and those kids can start kindergarten at 6 and graduate as 18 years old.

A mandate isn’t important if 98% of kids fall into a scenario. That scenario is how the proposals were built. You are one of the few in this scenario nationwide. I don’t know how you got there, but it’s unnatural.

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IF this change happens, any word on when it would be implemented? Fall 2025?