ECNL wants to switch back to school year from birth year

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Make it 8/1.

For States that have 9/1, give the August kids the option to play with their school year if they want. No one cares if a kid “plays up” when starting out.

Make it 2/29.

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Any clue as to what time the meeting ends today? I'm curious as to the o/u when the info leaks. Before 12am EST tonight or after?

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A mandate isn’t important if 98% of kids fall into a scenario. That scenario is how the proposals were built. You are one of the few in this scenario nationwide. I don’t know how you got there, but it’s unnatural.

How long did it take you to make up the 98% number? If not the norm, it's normal for summer born kids to start kindergarten the summer they turn 6.

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Any clue as to what time the meeting ends today? I'm curious as to the o/u when the info leaks. Before 12am EST tonight or after?

Meeting is tomorrow.

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maybe we can all agree to let this thread die starting tomorrow.........

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How long did it take you to make up the 98% number? If not the norm, it's normal for summer born kids to start kindergarten the summer they turn 6.

It wasn’t for my June birthday boy or anyone else in his class. They entered at 5 years old and yes there were plenty older than they - but we have balls and knew he could do just fine. You are unusual and that should be obvious by how few are reporting this same scenario on this thread that now has a national audience.

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maybe we can all agree to let this thread die starting tomorrow.........

And start a new one on the decision

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It's not the norm, but it's not mandated, either. If there's a cut off max date it would have to be 12/31 of prior year. But the main point is that there is no max cut off date in the summer and those kids can start kindergarten at 6 and graduate as 18 years old.

If you start kindergarten at 6, only part of june, July and August birthdays would graduate as 18 yos. Every other 6 yo kindergartener would be 19 when they graduated. It’s time to concede the point.

for further evidence, look at the current soccer rosters. 2010 falls are trapped 8th graders, balance of 8th graders are 2011s. All turned or will turn 14 during the school year (or in the case of summer birthdays, prior to next school years start). There aren’t 2010 summer and spring trapped players, and there aren’t 15 yo 8th graders. Except for a rare kid held back.

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If you start kindergarten at 6, only part of june, July and August birthdays would graduate as 18 yos. Every other 6 yo kindergartener would be 19 when they graduated. It’s time to concede the point.

for further evidence, look at the current soccer rosters. 2010 falls are trapped 8th graders, balance of 8th graders are 2011s. All turned or will turn 14 during the school year (or in the case of summer birthdays, prior to next school years start). There aren’t 2010 summer and spring trapped players, and there aren’t 15 yo 8th graders. Except for a rare kid held back.

It also sounds like that 6 year old kindergarten kid is already screwed in the current system. It’s just that pops hasn’t figured that out yet.

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If you start kindergarten at 6, only part of june, July and August birthdays would graduate as 18 yos. Every other 6 yo kindergartener would be 19 when they graduated. It’s time to concede the point.

for further evidence, look at the current soccer rosters. 2010 falls are trapped 8th graders, balance of 8th graders are 2011s. All turned or will turn 14 during the school year (or in the case of summer birthdays, prior to next school years start). There aren’t 2010 summer and spring trapped players, and there aren’t 15 yo 8th graders. Except for a rare kid held back.

Concede what? People were on their megaphones about using SY to align with state-mandated max age of a grade. Now that it's been established that the cut off dates are not what you think they are, you all are reverting to anecdotal evidence. My anecdotal evidence is different than yours. I know plenty of June-August kids that started kindergarten when they turned 6. Maybe it's because my kids are younger than yours, maybe not. There was a lady on the previous page with a 2008-2009 I believe.

If it's not universal across the country, then let them play with their grades. And kids that started earlier can play with their grades too. If your club doesn't let them stay with their grades, then they are most likely better served playing with the grade below (even if it hurts parental ego).

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Concede what? People were on their megaphones about using SY to align with state-mandated max age of a grade. Now that it's been established that the cut off dates are not what you think they are, you all are reverting to anecdotal evidence. My anecdotal evidence is different than yours. I know plenty of June-August kids that started kindergarten when they turned 6. Maybe it's because my kids are younger than yours, maybe not. There was a lady on the previous page with a 2008-2009 I believe.

If it's not universal across the country, then let them play with their grades. And kids that started earlier can play with their grades too. If your club doesn't let them stay with their grades, then they are most likely better served playing with the grade below (even if it hurts parental ego).

Or just keep it by and you can avoid all this stupid discussion

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Or just keep it by and you can avoid all this stupid discussion

Agree x1000 the parents with their stupid repeaters just want to play down for wins.

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maybe we can all agree to let this thread die starting tomorrow.........

It would be more fun if US Soccer did something none of the ECNL cult is expecting.

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If you start kindergarten at 6, only part of june, July and August birthdays would graduate as 18 yos. Every other 6 yo kindergartener would be 19 when they graduated. It’s time to concede the point.

for further evidence, look at the current soccer rosters. 2010 falls are trapped 8th graders, balance of 8th graders are 2011s. All turned or will turn 14 during the school year (or in the case of summer birthdays, prior to next school years start). There aren’t 2010 summer and spring trapped players, and there aren’t 15 yo 8th graders. Except for a rare kid held back.

I played 30 years ago with a kid like yours. Everyone thought he was a real good player (top 3 in our grade) youth through middle school. Nine grade he crushed it in so many ways including being the first kid to grow lamb chops. That was also the peak of his soccer career. Each year after his performance slipped relative to the JV and Varsity player pool. Coach kept expecting game changing performance and it rarely happened. It wasn’t until I was a young adult that I realized just how old he was - he could go to the bar years before the rest of us could legally. I then reflected upon the BS of the whole situation because while I was a fellow starter the amount of special treatment this kid got along the way was completely unfounded. If anything he should have been crushing every game. It’s this same phenomenon and performance slide I think is at the heart of why college coaches want this change. No offense to your kid, but what you see is probably a mirage. Like a tiny striker a foot shorter than his peers at U12, what you think you have in performance disappears quickly. The system isn’t setup to correct for this and it wastes a lot of people’s time in the process (including yours). This change is part of fixing the system. I can only hope the pre-pubescent tiny player race to the bottom that is todays MLSnext is…well next. We know these kids will get run over in a year or two. Why waste their replacements time? Why waste theirs?

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Good post…. So true.