New D1 substitution rules

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Exactly, i fully agree with your sentiments. Anyone who thinks this is a beneficial rule change for soccer either has never played soccer, have a kid playing college soccer or watched a college game. So many TS posters whine about lack of college development of players and yet limiting playing time will inhibit growth of the vast majority of a teams roster. With unlimited substitutions this allows coaches the ability to play those freshman/sophmores who have limited experience for 10-15 minutes in the end of the first half. For those that are aware of college soccer coaches calls them “quality” minutes which give coaches a chance to watch them play in a competitive environment and learn to “trust” them in matches that actually matter as in league games. The soccer culture in this country will never align with European culture. For those repeating that mantra have no understanding of soccer around the world and the different cultures. This action and change of the substitution rules will effect the vast majority of players greatly and will lead to more injuries to the core players on each team. I hope this rule does not carry over to the girls side.

You love typing up long-winded nonsense.

College is supposed to educate, train, or prepare students (or student athletes) to do something professionally after graduating.

If college soccer rules don't align to rules defined by professional leagues what are they doing? They're not preparing student athletes to play professionally. If the education you receive in college doesn't prepare you to do something as a professional why would anyone pay for a college education?

I understand that pro soccer thinks college training is a joke and is a place talent goes to die. But, the least college can do is pretend the training they provide is what pro clubs need.

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Exactly, i fully agree with your sentiments. Anyone who thinks this is a beneficial rule change for soccer either has never played soccer, have a kid playing college soccer or watched a college game. So many TS posters whine about lack of college development of players and yet limiting playing time will inhibit growth of the vast majority of a teams roster. With unlimited substitutions this allows coaches the ability to play those freshman/sophmores who have limited experience for 10-15 minutes in the end of the first half. For those that are aware of college soccer coaches calls them “quality” minutes which give coaches a chance to watch them play in a competitive environment and learn to “trust” them in matches that actually matter as in league games. The soccer culture in this country will never align with European culture. For those repeating that mantra have no understanding of soccer around the world and the different cultures. This action and change of the substitution rules will effect the vast majority of players greatly and will lead to more injuries to the core players on each team. I hope this rule does not carry over to the girls side.

You’ve never watched quality soccer if you think it will result in more injuries. It’s the exact opposite. The game will become far more skilled with less chasing. Tackles will be cleaner without all of the unskilled shin kickers that fill up rosters now.

I would rather have 15 skill players getting pt than 30 one-footed fumblers.

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You’ve never watched quality soccer if you think it will result in more injuries. It’s the exact opposite. The game will become far more skilled with less chasing. Tackles will be cleaner without all of the unskilled shin kickers that fill up rosters now.

I would rather have 15 skill players getting pt than 30 one-footed fumblers.

Yes, it will be less kick and chase where d1 teams are filled with sprinters. I am all for anything that pushes the college game more towards possession and skill.

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So change the structure to meet the needs of what is virtually a handful of players? Dumb. Why? On the men's side those players with the skills and desire to go pro aren't wasting their days playing jn college. They're getting to the pros asap. This helps virtually none and makes it less desirable for many

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So change the structure to meet the needs of what is virtually a handful of players? Dumb. Why? On the men's side those players with the skills and desire to go pro aren't wasting their days playing jn college. They're getting to the pros asap. This helps virtually none and makes it less desirable for many

Just play D3 and problem solved.

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Proper Football is indeed a worldwide game, but college soccer is distinctly US. I’m not seeing where or why NCAA should align to anything other than the needs of the college market. Is US college soccer a pathway to the pros or US National team?

There is college soccer everywhere, not just the US. And they sign with the international rules. It will make no difference on injuries, unless people think US college players are somehow more injury prone.

A soccer team roster of 40 makes zero sense. This isn’t American football. And they shouldn’t be catering to parents who just want to say their son plays D1 soccer. A number of college players enter the MLS each year, so from a quality perspective, college should align with MLS and other league round the world. That includes the ridiculous stop watch vs running clock everywhere else in the world. Americans are ruining the game.

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It's a shame this wasn't rolled out for the women. It's the only thing that will force college coaches to focus on skill rather than beep tests.

Your snark answer just shows how little you think you know about soccer. What separates the top college soccer teams is not just skills and technical abilities which can be taught. But rather speed, quickness, athleticism, mental and physical toughness. Qualities that separate the top from the other 90%. The conditioning of American soccer players is our soccer culture and what had dominated soccer around the world for the last 20 years. This was an off cycle and yet USA is ranked 4th. Do you think that ranking is because of just skill? College coaches are in the business to win that will never change.

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Your snark answer just shows how little you think you know about soccer. What separates the top college soccer teams is not just skills and technical abilities which can be taught. But rather speed, quickness, athleticism, mental and physical toughness. Qualities that separate the top from the other 90%. The conditioning of American soccer players is our soccer culture and what had dominated soccer around the world for the last 20 years. This was an off cycle and yet USA is ranked 4th. Do you think that ranking is because of just skill? College coaches are in the business to win that will never change.

No, college coaches are in the business of taking whatever shortcut possible keeps their team winning. While playing in a league that nobody feels is high level. This keeps the paychecks rolling in.

College soccer is not preparing male players for playing professionally. Getting some of the rules closer to the way professional leagues play better prepares players for playing after graduation.

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I think that some of us are forgetting that soccer programs at the college level are not intended to align with nor prepare their students for professional careers. For many schools, college sports are an admissions tool and a campus community component. They don't see themselves beholden to FIFA, and for very good reasons. The top players will continue to find themselves in the MLS draft, and maybe a select few will find themselves playing abroad regardless of substitution rules (old or new). Personally, I think the rule should remain as it has been. It encourages more involvement from more players on these ever expanding rosters. I haven't seen the quality of play to become watered down, especially as programs are seeking league championships, NCAA bids etc. On a related note, it appears that the trajectory in FIFA is even to offer more substitution opportunities in recent years.

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I think that some of us are forgetting that soccer programs at the college level are not intended to align with nor prepare their students for professional careers. For many schools, college sports are an admissions tool and a campus community component. They don't see themselves beholden to FIFA, and for very good reasons. The top players will continue to find themselves in the MLS draft, and maybe a select few will find themselves playing abroad regardless of substitution rules (old or new). Personally, I think the rule should remain as it has been. It encourages more involvement from more players on these ever expanding rosters. I haven't seen the quality of play to become watered down, especially as programs are seeking league championships, NCAA bids etc. On a related note, it appears that the trajectory in FIFA is even to offer more substitution opportunities in recent years.

You seem unable to accept reality. Nobody cares what you think the decision has already been made. (For good reasons)

Seriously play D3.

"The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel on Thursday approved substitution rule changes for Division I men’s competition, effective for the 2024 season.
NCAA Men’s and Women’s Soccer Rules Committee members recommended that no reentry be allowed in either half once a player leaves the game via substitution in Division I men’s soccer. Additionally, teams will have six moments at which they can make substitutions in a game, and substitutions can occur during any stoppage of play. Teams will be awarded an additional moment to make substitutions in overtime.
Substitution rules remain the same in all other levels of men’s and women’s soccer, where players can reenter the game once in the second half and can substitute only on goal kicks, their own team’s throw-in, their own team’s corner kick, after a goal has been scored or when a player has received a caution.
In all three levels of men’s and women’s soccer, the committee recommended that the clock will be stopped on all substitutions made by the team leading the game or if the score is tied in the last 15 minutes of the second half and in overtime periods.
Soccer rules committee members thoroughly discussed stopping the clock on substitutions options and wanted to discourage using substitutions as a tactic to slow the pace of the game."

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I think that some of us are forgetting that soccer programs at the college level are not intended to align with nor prepare their students for professional careers. For many schools, college sports are an admissions tool and a campus community component. They don't see themselves beholden to FIFA, and for very good reasons. The top players will continue to find themselves in the MLS draft, and maybe a select few will find themselves playing abroad regardless of substitution rules (old or new). Personally, I think the rule should remain as it has been. It encourages more involvement from more players on these ever expanding rosters. I haven't seen the quality of play to become watered down, especially as programs are seeking league championships, NCAA bids etc. On a related note, it appears that the trajectory in FIFA is even to offer more substitution opportunities in recent years.

This is absolutely true. There is no right way to play. However anyone who is a fan of the sport should be celebrating the new substitution rules. The women's college game is brutal to watch if you enjoy possession soccer.

It will be interesting to see what happens to many of these "legendary" coaches. My guess is people like Anson Dorrance, who has fought these changes for a long time, will suddenly retire rather than trying to figure out how to win without a constant cycle of fresh legs.

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if this hits the women's game, truthfully I am torn.

On the one hand, it's much better play having the ball do the work and l playing with the knowledge you need to play 70+ minutes. The pace may be slower, but the quality is so much better. I believe it's the #1 reason our women's NT isn't as dominant any longer, we can't play with it and just chase after it.

On the other hand, as a parent of a kid who is middle-bottom third of the roster, she won't see the field as much if at all. On a personal level, it will hurt.

Could this be the first step in cost-cutting, going with rosters of 20-25 vs. 25-35?

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The idea that this change will better prepare players to become professional soccer players makes no sense. The players who are going to be pros are not getting subbed out during games now anyway and substitutions are not significantly changing the pace of most games. It basically only affects the game for middle/bottom of the roster players who will never see the field under the new rules. This could be good for the college game because as has been noted the transfer portal etc has given the player more mobility options than they have ever had in the past so it might redistribute the talent that isn't good enough to be on a top team but could be an impact player for the next tier down. Those players that end up on the power 5 rosters with the hopes they earn a spot and just rot away on the bench other than 5mins here and 10mins there will now get 0mins and if they're smart they'll go somewhere they can play.

But to change the rules to better align internationally? The US will NEVER be a soccer powerhouse, it's not going to happen. Save your "look at the progress in the youth.....another 20yrs and..." stuff, we've been hearing that for 40yrs. Stop trying to make US kids play international rules when we don't even refer to the game by the same name. Put the already broken club system back to graduation year, leave the substitution rules of the youth levels at what makes most sense for players to reach their goal, which in the US is to play in college, and leave the college rules set to whatever makes the most sense fo the best college game experience for the players who manage to get there because the VAST majority of them aren't playing anything buy Sunday League after that.

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But to change the rules to better align internationally? The US will NEVER be a soccer powerhouse, it's not going to happen. Save your "look at the progress in the youth.....another 20yrs and..." stuff, we've been hearing that for 40yrs. Stop trying to make US kids play international rules when we don't even refer to the game by the same name. Put the already broken club system back to graduation year, leave the substitution rules of the youth levels at what makes most sense for players to reach their goal, which in the US is to play in college, and leave the college rules set to whatever makes the most sense fo the best college game experience for the players who manage to get there because the VAST majority of them aren't playing anything buy Sunday League after that.

That's certainly fine.

Also, if we continue down this path, we can collectively shut our mouths about why the WNT isn't the top dog any longer and why our youth systems can't develop great players enough. We want to play by our own rules, which is fine, we will live with the consequences.

[Guest]

if this hits the women's game, truthfully I am torn.

On the one hand, it's much better play having the ball do the work and l playing with the knowledge you need to play 70+ minutes. The pace may be slower, but the quality is so much better. I believe it's the #1 reason our women's NT isn't as dominant any longer, we can't play with it and just chase after it.

On the other hand, as a parent of a kid who is middle-bottom third of the roster, she won't see the field as much if at all. On a personal level, it will hurt.

Could this be the first step in cost-cutting, going with rosters of 20-25 vs. 25-35?

I'm more about the best player playing regardless of age or seniority. Adversity creates the best players.

If your kid isn't getting minutes why stay at the school? I'm betting if she's in the bottom third of the team that there's no or minimal scholarship $$$ happening.

I agree that poor college play is the reason the USWNT lost in the last world cup. College soccer (especially womens) is terrible. The amount of time wasted on subs at the end of the game is ridiculous. Not only is it unwatchable, it kills the flow of the game, and worse of all it makes games unable to be shown on TV because you can't contain them in a set amount of time.