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I think the posters mention of shadow governments and mutant dogs was an exaggeration for effect. Only you seem to have taken it more literally than others. That's fine but it does indicate your current state of mind and that should be considered as you attempt to pose a rational argument.

We have an increased number of reported autism cases because there is now an established spectrum that casts a wider net. We also have a hyper-vigilant focus on the diagnosis by families and doctors.

Lol! I am well aware that the poster was using a bit of exaggeration for effect. I have to assume that the poster does believe that some of the vaccine concerns are based in the realm of "conspiracies". Or else.... Why go through the silly comparisons? So, thank you for your concern but my state of mind is perfectly fine. :) Sorry if I lost you there. Again, you may have missed the latest (from your own experts) but the numbers do not add up. There is a real increase having nothing to do with increased awareness, shuffling of kids into categories, etc. The CDC states this... Don't you trust them? ;)

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Bit by a mosquito at soccer practice last night BEFORE the curfew. No fever yet, but I've contacted my attorney nonetheless.

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Will you be suing the mosquito for not following the curfew rules???

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Lol! I am well aware that the poster was using a bit of exaggeration for effect. I have to assume that the poster does believe that some of the vaccine concerns are based in the realm of "conspiracies". Or else.... Why go through the silly comparisons? So, thank you for your concern but my state of mind is perfectly fine. :) Sorry if I lost you there. Again, you may have missed the latest (from your own experts) but the numbers do not add up. There is a real increase having nothing to do with increased awareness, shuffling of kids into categories, etc. The CDC states this... Don't you trust them? ;)

The CDC states that there has been an increase in autism DIAGNOSIS. Do you understand what people are trying to tell you here? An increased awareness of autism leads to an increased diagnosis of the condition. That simple. Again, you've got paranoid looped thinking. But then, the problem with you is the problem with you. If you were capable of rational thought, you wouldn't be involved in this argument in the first place. From your perspective the whole world is out to screw you, everyone is trying to make a fast buck while you suffer, all the powers that be are conspiring behind your back to keep you down, but you're just too "smart" to let them, right? And the internet just feeds into this paranoid thinking like crazy. There is so much "official" sounding misinformation on here it's terrifying.
My guess is that the reason there aren't more crazy people like you out there is that their kids frequently don't survive their crazy theories. How sad.

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The CDC states that there has been an increase in autism DIAGNOSIS. Do you understand what people are trying to tell you here? An increased awareness of autism leads to an increased diagnosis of the condition. That simple. Again, you've got paranoid looped thinking. But then, the problem with you is the problem with you. If you were capable of rational thought, you wouldn't be involved in this argument in the first place. From your perspective the whole world is out to screw you, everyone is trying to make a fast buck while you suffer, all the powers that be are conspiring behind your back to keep you down, but you're just too "smart" to let them, right? And the internet just feeds into this paranoid thinking like crazy. There is so much "official" sounding misinformation on here it's terrifying.
My guess is that the reason there aren't more crazy people like you out there is that their kids frequently don't survive their crazy theories. How sad.

Paranoid thinking was probably genetically advantageous during the crusades or the pogroms or other times of huge social upheaval. Today, in this country anyway, it's mostly just a huge liability. You can keep your kid in a bubble to protect them from all the evils in the world, and then you mess them up emotionally so they can't deal with the world. They become like hot house flowers afraid of their own shadow and incapable of adapting to the world around them.

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The CDC states that there has been an increase in autism DIAGNOSIS. Do you understand what people are trying to tell you here? An increased awareness of autism leads to an increased diagnosis of the condition. That simple. Again, you've got paranoid looped thinking. But then, the problem with you is the problem with you. If you were capable of rational thought, you wouldn't be involved in this argument in the first place. From your perspective the whole world is out to screw you, everyone is trying to make a fast buck while you suffer, all the powers that be are conspiring behind your back to keep you down, but you're just too "smart" to let them, right? And the internet just feeds into this paranoid thinking like crazy. There is so much "official" sounding misinformation on here it's terrifying.
My guess is that the reason there aren't more crazy people like you out there is that their kids frequently don't survive their crazy theories. How sad.

Oh goodness.... Take the 'quirky' kids out of the equation. You have to be somewhat naive to think that there were as many mentally retarded children out there in the 1970's - 1980's (as an example) as there are today of full blown autistic children (again, not quirky kids, but kids who can't speak at age 6, etc). The idea that there is just better diagnosing of these kids is somewhat silly. All the signs point to environmental concerns and many signs point to vaccines - although I certainly wouldn't say that they are the 'only' cause. Not sure where you are coming up with the idea that my perspective is the whole world is out to get me? I also don't consider myself all that paranoid. I simply use common sense and think for myself. For example, I don't think the powers to be are out to kill me with their mercury containing flu vaccines (that may border on being paranoid). Instead, I simply consider it unsafe and foolish to intentionally inject mercury into your body. See the difference between paranoia and using common sense. :)

As for your last few comments... I'm going to just let that go. It sounds to me like you may be in a full blown manic state or something? Not sure what's going on with you... But something is amiss. Maybe scheduling an appointment with a doctor would do you some good.

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Oh goodness.... Take the 'quirky' kids out of the equation. You have to be somewhat naive to think that there were as many mentally retarded children out there in the 1970's - 1980's (as an example) as there are today of full blown autistic children (again, not quirky kids, but kids who can't speak at age 6, etc). The idea that there is just better diagnosing of these kids is somewhat silly. All the signs point to environmental concerns and many signs point to vaccines - although I certainly wouldn't say that they are the 'only' cause. Not sure where you are coming up with the idea that my perspective is the whole world is out to get me? I also don't consider myself all that paranoid. I simply use common sense and think for myself. For example, I don't think the powers to be are out to kill me with their mercury containing flu vaccines (that may border on being paranoid). Instead, I simply consider it unsafe and foolish to intentionally inject mercury into your body. See the difference between paranoia and using common sense. :)

As for your last few comments... I'm going to just let that go. It sounds to me like you may be in a full blown manic state or something? Not sure what's going on with you... But something is amiss. Maybe scheduling an appointment with a doctor would do you some good.

If you've ever taken a logic course you would realize there is a serious flaw in your thinking. Just because diagnosed autism and vaccinations have increased doesn't mean that one has caused the other. In fact, since the 70s and 80s we have also seen the rapid increase of the following:

* Use of computers
* cell phones
* consumption of organic food
* consumption of all food (we eat a lot more calories now)
* fast food and prepackaged meals
* prenatal care and monitoring
* cable channels

There are about 10,000 other examples of things that have dramatically changed. So blaming one (increase in vaccacinations) when no study has ever shown this to be true is ignorance. I get that it seems like a rationale cause and effect, but it has never been shown to be true and you can't make it true by saying over and over that it must be because you have seen with your own eyes that autism rates have gone up as we continue to give kids more vaccines.

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Oh goodness.... Take the 'quirky' kids out of the equation. You have to be somewhat naive to think that there were as many mentally retarded children out there in the 1970's - 1980's (as an example) as there are today of full blown autistic children (again, not quirky kids, but kids who can't speak at age 6, etc). The idea that there is just better diagnosing of these kids is somewhat silly. All the signs point to environmental concerns and many signs point to vaccines - although I certainly wouldn't say that they are the 'only' cause. Not sure where you are coming up with the idea that my perspective is the whole world is out to get me? I also don't consider myself all that paranoid. I simply use common sense and think for myself. For example, I don't think the powers to be are out to kill me with their mercury containing flu vaccines (that may border on being paranoid). Instead, I simply consider it unsafe and foolish to intentionally inject mercury into your body. See the difference between paranoia and using common sense. :)

As for your last few comments... I'm going to just let that go. It sounds to me like you may be in a full blown manic state or something? Not sure what's going on with you... But something is amiss. Maybe scheduling an appointment with a doctor would do you some good.

By your logic we can also deduce that the number of facebook users is driving the 10year yield on Greek government bond.

Correlation is not causation.

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I think the posters mention of shadow governments and mutant dogs was an exaggeration for effect. Only you seem to have taken it more literally than others. That's fine but it does indicate your current state of mind and that should be considered as you attempt to pose a rational argument.

No, that post was creating a straw man argument. That was pretty obvious.

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By your logic we can also deduce that the number of facebook users is driving the 10year yield on Greek government bond.

Correlation is not causation.

Common sense says.... Don't inject mercury into your body. Common sense also says.... Don't give your infants with developing immune systems, numerous vaccines at one time. Common sense also says.... Babies don't need a vaccine on their second day of life. Common sense also says.... There were not the same amount of disabled/retarded/autistic children back when I was growing up. Sums it right up. You don't have to agree.... You can talk correlation is not causation.... I talk common sense.

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If you've ever taken a logic course you would realize there is a serious flaw in your thinking. Just because diagnosed autism and vaccinations have increased doesn't mean that one has caused the other. In fact, since the 70s and 80s we have also seen the rapid increase of the following:

* Use of computers
* cell phones
* consumption of organic food
* consumption of all food (we eat a lot more calories now)
* fast food and prepackaged meals
* prenatal care and monitoring
* cable channels

There are about 10,000 other examples of things that have dramatically changed. So blaming one (increase in vaccacinations) when no study has ever shown this to be true is ignorance. I get that it seems like a rationale cause and effect, but it has never been shown to be true and you can't make it true by saying over and over that it must be because you have seen with your own eyes that autism rates have gone up as we continue to give kids more vaccines.

I agree with this. There are no definitive answers. Having said that, there is also no way to say for sure that vaccines do not play role in many diseases / disorders. There is enough evidence of harm out there that i choose to selectively vaccinate.

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Common sense says.... Don't inject mercury into your body. Common sense also says.... Don't give your infants with developing immune systems, numerous vaccines at one time. Common sense also says.... Babies don't need a vaccine on their second day of life. Common sense also says.... There were not the same amount of disabled/retarded/autistic children back when I was growing up. Sums it right up. You don't have to agree.... You can talk correlation is not causation.... I talk common sense.

I'm with you. If there was no indication that mercury was responsible, then why have most manufacturers removed it?

BTW, the issue is not decided by any means.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...-10391695.html

"The article in the Journal of Immunotoxicology is entitled "Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes--A review." The author is Helen Ratajczak, surprisingly herself a former senior scientist at a pharmaceutical firm. Ratajczak did what nobody else apparently has bothered to do: she reviewed the body of published science since autism was first described in 1943. Not just one theory suggested by research such as the role of MMR shots, or the mercury preservative thimerosal; but all of them.

Ratajczak's article states, in part, that "Documented causes of autism include genetic mutations and/or deletions, viral infections, and encephalitis [brain damage] following vaccination [emphasis added]. Therefore, autism is the result of genetic defects and/or inflammation of the brain.

The article goes on to discuss many potential vaccine-related culprits, including the increasing number of vaccines given in a short period of time. "What I have published is highly concentrated on hypersensitivity, Ratajczak told us in an interview, "the body's immune system being thrown out of balance."


Ratajczak also looks at a factor that hasn't been widely discussed: human DNA contained in vaccines. That's right, human DNA. Ratajczak reports that about the same time vaccine makers took most thimerosal out of most vaccines (with the exception of flu shots which still widely contain thimerosal), they began making some vaccines using human tissue. Ratajczak says human tissue is currently used in 23 vaccines. She discusses the increase in autism incidences corresponding with the introduction of human DNA to MMR vaccine, and suggests the two could be linked. Ratajczak also says an additional increased spike in autism occurred in 1995 when chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue.

A number of independent scientists have said they've been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. "I'm retired now," she told CBS News. "I can write what I want."


We wanted to see if the CDC wished to challenge Ratajczak's review, since many government officials and scientists have implied that theories linking vaccines to autism have been disproven, and Ratajczak states that research shows otherwise. CDC officials told us that "comprehensive review by CDC...would take quite a bit of time."

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A new peer-reviewed publication by Drs. Tomljenovic and Shaw, titled "Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?".

"By applying Hill's criteria for establishing causality between exposure and outcome we investigated whether exposure to Al from vaccines could be contributing to the rise in ASD prevalence in the Western world. Our results show that: (i) children from countries with the highest ASD prevalence appear to have the highest exposure to Al from vaccines; (ii) the increase in exposure to Al adjuvants significantly correlates with the increase in ASD prevalence in the United States observed over the last two decades (Pearson r=0.92, p<0.0001); and (iii) a significant correlation exists between the amounts of Al administered to preschool children and the current prevalence of ASD in seven Western countries, particularly at 3-4months of age (Pearson r=0.89-0.94, p=0.0018-0.0248). The application of the Hill's criteria to these data indicates that the correlation between Al in vaccines and ASD may be causal. Because children represent a fraction of the population most at risk for complications following exposure to Al, a more rigorous evaluation of Al adjuvant safety seems warranted."

BTW you can find the number of vaccine adverse events at this web site. What is interesting is this comment: "As you can see, children age 0-6 years are reporting the most VAERS events following a DTP vaccination.

Children ages 7-18 years are significantly affected by the Human Papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination. Note that HPV is already associated with over 100 deaths, and is not limited to girls (there are three reports of boys who have died following an HPV vaccination). This is not the most widely given vaccination for 7-18 year olds, but it appears frequently in VAERS and is associated with serious adverse effects."

http://www.medalerts.org/analysis/archives/367

To take this discussion one step further, here are the actual numbers regarding the relatively new HPV vaccine.

Disabled = 760 children
Deaths = 103
Did Not Recover = 4,616
Abnormal Pap Smear = 387
Cervical Dysplasia = 144
Cervical Cancer = 41
Life Threatening = 440
Emergency Room Visit = 8,926
Hopitalized = 23,388
Ext. Hospital Stay = 199
Adverse Events = 23,338

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Common sense says.... Don't inject mercury into your body. Common sense also says.... Don't give your infants with developing immune systems, numerous vaccines at one time. Common sense also says.... Babies don't need a vaccine on their second day of life. Common sense also says.... There were not the same amount of disabled/retarded/autistic children back when I was growing up. Sums it right up. You don't have to agree.... You can talk correlation is not causation.... I talk common sense.

My mother bathed me in mercurochrome as a kid for every cut.
The cavity fillings back in the 70's contained? You guessed it.Probably leaching into the body for decades.
Thimeresol in vaccines till recently.
If you are over 40 might as well jump off a bridge now.

And that mosquito bite i got yesterday is turning purple.Hope the free circulating mercury gets that virus.

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Common sense says.... Don't inject mercury into your body. Common sense also says.... Don't give your infants with developing immune systems, numerous vaccines at one time. Common sense also says.... Babies don't need a vaccine on their second day of life. Common sense also says.... There were not the same amount of disabled/retarded/autistic children back when I was growing up. Sums it right up. You don't have to agree.... You can talk correlation is not causation.... I talk common sense.

Do you have an autistic child?