The ECNL Sales Pitch - Fact or Fiction

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Your response was vague. Do you think he still posts?

If there is some type of ban on him and identifying him is getting him into some type of hot water then I will stop. That's not my intent.

I don't see how I am attacking unless identifying him by name constitutes an attack. I respond to his arguments and question his claims and at times provide data that contrast with what he is selling. I don't see that as attacking. I will vigorously challenge hi. On the merits. I doubt you would say that his posts, both in volume and content, are not vigorous.

I also have no doubts about who is posting. I would not identify him if I was not 100 per cent sure that at least 80 per cent of the posts are his that I cite. Either that or there is a freakish statistical anomaly of galactic proportions, given the same interests, same biases, exact same doggedness and rigidity, and exact same obvious phraseologies. Sorry, too many coincidences for me, and for almost anyone here who has half a brain. This isn't in the genre of "Thanks Fred...Thanks Mom...Thanks BB," etc, etc.

Unless you are reading a log of the ip addresses associated with each post you are still guessing. I know that you frequently are wrong in your guesses because you have attributed things that I have written to him and whenever I have tried to let you know that you are so blinded by your bias that you just sweep me aside.

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Your response was vague. Do you think he still posts?

If there is some type of ban on him and identifying him is getting him into some type of hot water then I will stop. That's not my intent.

I don't see how I am attacking unless identifying him by name constitutes an attack. I respond to his arguments and question his claims and at times provide data that contrast with what he is selling. I don't see that as attacking. I will vigorously challenge hi. On the merits. I doubt you would say that his posts, both in volume and content, are not vigorous.

I also have no doubts about who is posting. I would not identify him if I was not 100 per cent sure that at least 80 per cent of the posts are his that I cite. Either that or there is a freakish statistical anomaly of galactic proportions, given the same interests, same biases, exact same doggedness and rigidity, and exact same obvious phraseologies. Sorry, too many coincidences for me, and for almost anyone here who has half a brain. This isn't in the genre of "Thanks Fred...Thanks Mom...Thanks BB," etc, etc.

You're 100% sure that you're 80% right?

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You're 100% sure that you're 80% right?

No, he THINKS he's 100% sure that he's 80% right, maybe, sometimes....

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P.S. You called me more names in this post than I think I've ever called him. Challenging someone who has dominated this whole forum for several years running is turning it into a cesspool???

Let's assume you are correct. What, then, do you think of the person's arguments that I have said are btdt? Let's say you are correct. What do you make of the posts themselves?

Personally I don't see much objectionable about them. Take #831 from this morning. I thought it added some interesting context to the discussion. It wasn't a slam at the Stars or Scorpions per see as much as a commentary on the whole recruiting process. The problem is those two clubs put so much emphasis on recruiting that merely objecting to the process is now apparently construed as a slam against the clubs.

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These threads are just full of humor. Is this what our parents are talking about while we are not around? Get a life because we don't care this much about soccer as you would think. I was thinking about the clothes I saw another girl wearing the other day and if John likes me.

It will get better, just wait. Usually dies down around yoga class time and then picks up.

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No, he THINKS he's 100% sure that he's 80% right, maybe, sometimes....

This is all deflection. It seems that whenever the argument starts to paint any of the ECNL dogma in an unfavorable light that we have to distract everyone with a buch of mindless allegations. The issue that is being deflected is the one about using commitment lists to market the club's brand. If you will go back to the intitial post, you will see that one of the intitial points being made was specifically about using commitments to market the club brand. Here it is:

5- The idea that the club deserves more credit for a player earning a soccer scholarship than the player themselves. The claim that obviously is being made is the Scorpions created the player's success and can replicate that success for another player.

This most recent discussion was right on line with that original point. The point that was just in the process of being made was that when you put individual player's accomplishments on display it invites just as much negative attention as positive. The nastiness that has spread into this thread all but confirms that but instead of simply acknowledging that commitments might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread we take the thread off on a tanget and try to pretend the point wasn't made. That just invites more unpleasantness.

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This is all deflection. It seems that whenever the argument starts to paint any of the ECNL dogma in an unfavorable light that we have to distract everyone with a buch of mindless allegations. The issue that is being deflected is the one about using commitment lists to market the club's brand. If you will go back to the intitial post, you will see that one of the intitial points being made was specifically about using commitments to market the club brand. Here it is:



This most recent discussion was right on line with that original point. The point that was just in the process of being made was that when you put individual player's accomplishments on display it invites just as much negative attention as positive. The nastiness that has spread into this thread all but confirms that but instead of simply acknowledging that commitments might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread we take the thread off on a tanget and try to pretend the point wasn't made. That just invites more unpleasantness.

Completely untrue.

Distorts how the whole thread started.

And you will see that no one ever made those claims, except for certain people in setting up their straw men to attack. In fact, each time a poster concedes that the players do deserve credit and might have reached the same success in a myriad of ways (see discussion recently on RI player), the question the attackers were asked to explain why these players who clearly are not players easily duped land with Stars and Scorps anyway. You all like the poster I'm now responding to would have a lot more credibility if your hatred for these clubs wasn't so glaringly obvious and you gave them a little credit for even attracting good players. But instead, you distort even more, and go off on tangents about how so few are going to good schools anyway. You actually end up dissing the players you said deserve all the credit!!! You simply trample the data and change directions any way you want and that's partly why it is completely fair to challenge btdt.

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You conveniently ignore the poster who repeatedly accused anyone that is recruited at games as violating NCAA rules and participating in illegality. He just kept calling posters liars and announcing illegality based on what he thought should be illegal. If this idiot hadn't brought up BTDT maybe that guy would have had to face the music. Now he'll wait for a week and begin his claims again.

P.S. If he knows CH he should ask him about this stuff.

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I'm sorry, especially as if you are a Stars parent as you say which I doubt, but I do not agree with you.

The anonymity thing is not the same. You are talking about someone who specifically decided not to be anonymous, at least in part to provide some clout to his own views. Also very narcissistic and as a result has been more than willing to put himself and his kids out there for public consumption. No other celebrity person and/or parent of a national player would do that. His lack of anonymity was not courage but rather entirely strategic and narcissistic. He has been a prolific poster who has not shied away from any engagements, and indeed he has seemed to prefer conflict and disagreements as opportunities to impress his views on others even more fervently.

Virulent is a word that comes to mind. Right now it is about Stars and to lesser degree Scorps. BU there have been any number of topics, as wide ranging a s 3.0s at Williams being crap to marginal, below par skills of Jeremy Lin. He is always the expert, never comes back and says he was wrong about anything, and given the forcefulness and extremity of his views that he rams down everyone's throats I believe he deserves to be called out. I am not a Stars parent or supporter not a Scorps parent or supporter. I simply find his behavior outrageous and intrusive, and I don't think gross, repetitive, and dogged attacks in one's own self-interest should be simply ignored.

Too funny because I actually believe that you have been the person who has set the tone for TS over the past couple of years. I have no idea who you are or what club you are actually affiliated with but you seem to be even more prolific and virulent than what you claim BTDT to be. I think what you are doing is projecting that others post as much as you and he is just a convenient identity to pin it all on. Personally I find many of the posts that I attribute to you to be mean spirited and completely one sided. I have answered you on several occassions myself but you have always discounted those replies by painting them as a biased slam. Perhaps if you recognized that he is not the only one with an opinion that might help you come to grips with the notion that the "dogged attacks" you are fighting are merely differences of opinion.

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You're 100% sure that you're 80% right?

This is actually a favorite btdt strategy....pick out something you think you can seize and make fun of and then ignore the rest of the content. Please explain the statistical unlikelihood of a NEFC fan (or someone who ALWAYS supports NEFC no matter what) who is relentless with the competitors who just happens to be obsessed with the exact same topics and uses the exact same language being someone other than btdt?

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He is not posting. He got what he wanted out of TS and go to be the king for a while. He is too smart to risk his daughters National Team chances by posting anything further here. No need to and with the Boston Globe article about his daughter, I think they are all set.

Your logic would apply to most of us, but not to him. Why was he posting so prolifically before, then, risking regional status and all the rest? Referencing specific players and coaches and calling for destination consolidation (as long as it was with his team)? Now he's poo-pooing recruiting when the started and mostly authored entire threads on recruiting. Now everyone's making too big a deal of it all when before he railed on and on how no one should ever play D3. Do you think you are in the minority or majority in opining that he's not posting anymore at all?

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Personally I don't see much objectionable about them. Take #831 from this morning. I thought it added some interesting context to the discussion. It wasn't a slam at the Stars or Scorpions per see as much as a commentary on the whole recruiting process. The problem is those two clubs put so much emphasis on recruiting that merely objecting to the process is now apparently construed as a slam against the clubs.

Interesting take on post 831, which was set up just so that the poster could say this...

"That is why it is so irksome when the clubs parade out a list of commitments. If you have been through it you know they are selling something they had very little involvement in." Given the context of the thread to that point I think that it is pretty clear who he is talking about, especially since later likely the same poster suggested NEFC advertises entirely different, "process" I believe, when it's very clear that every club advertises what it can.

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You conveniently ignore the poster who repeatedly accused anyone that is recruited at games as violating NCAA rules and participating in illegality. He just kept calling posters liars and announcing illegality based on what he thought should be illegal. If this idiot hadn't brought up BTDT maybe that guy would have had to face the music. Now he'll wait for a week and begin his claims again.

P.S. If he knows CH he should ask him about this stuff.

Interesting, I am not sure that I linked the posts together like you did. I took the one poster to be saying that there was no real communication between parents and coaches while the other saying that there was plenty of communication. I took the issue about the illegality of the early commitment as really a philosophical discussion not a practical one because it seemed the one poster tried to say that nothing was happening because it would be illegal for coaches and parents to have contact to which the other posted that it was all basically wrong because the intent is to have players recruited in the senior year and yet there is still clearly a lot of contact going on. How did you take it?

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Too funny because I actually believe that you have been the person who has set the tone for TS over the past couple of years. I have no idea who you are or what club you are actually affiliated with but you seem to be even more prolific and virulent than what you claim BTDT to be. I think what you are doing is projecting that others post as much as you and he is just a convenient identity to pin it all on. Personally I find many of the posts that I attribute to you to be mean spirited and completely one sided. I have answered you on several occassions myself but you have always discounted those replies by painting them as a biased slam. Perhaps if you recognized that he is not the only one with an opinion that might help you come to grips with the notion that the "dogged attacks" you are fighting are merely differences of opinion.

Wow. I've set the tone for 2 years. That's a lot of power. Like TS is markedly different than say 4 years ago. I may be a prolific poster, but would you say btdt isn't? I've also started and contributed to some of the most praised threads on this site. I have a notion, quite frankly, that what a lot of you fail to realize, and the amusing thing is that if you believe some of these posters who are painting a picture you'll that I'm being portrayed incorrectly.

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Interesting take on post 831, which was set up just so that the poster could say this...

"That is why it is so irksome when the clubs parade out a list of commitments. If you have been through it you know they are selling something they had very little involvement in." Given the context of the thread to that point I think that it is pretty clear who he is talking about, especially since later likely the same poster suggested NEFC advertises entirely different, "process" I believe, when it's very clear that every club advertises what it can.

Why are you so sure that the two posts were by the same poster. I actually wrote #831 but not the other. My children played for other clubs so I can assure you that I was not "setting up" a pro NEFC post.