The ECNL Sales Pitch - Fact or Fiction

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but do you really think that if the school didn't include the player in the press release that announces the incomming class that they expect much from that player, never mind gave them any money? Keep in mind these families would have spent thousands presumably for the opportunity to receive a college scholarship and the clubs are using their commitments like a business card in their sales pitch. In this case the inclusion would appear to be misleading.

The club can only print the commitments its players provide. If one overestimates their ability and gets buried deep on the bench, as seems likely to happen in this instance, don't blame the club.

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you all know the season is over,right? it's summer relax try enjoying life.

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The club can only print the commitments its players provide. If one overestimates their ability and gets buried deep on the bench, as seems likely to happen in this instance, don't blame the club.

Wrong. If the club is going to use the information to sell its product they have an obligation to know its accuracy. Then to, what does it say about the coach's involvement if they have no idea what sort of situation their player is walking into. At the very least they should know if the player is in over their head. That is unless they are so detached they have no idea what the college coach is looking for and what their player brings to the table.

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Club teams go up and down - one strong age group one year, one weaker the next. Not all the ECNL teams were "just" recruited. Scorps and Stars U19 stayed largely the same for years and years.

Here is yet another list. It was just posted in the other thread you keep harping in. Is it any different than the other lists posted in this thread?

Here is another list. Why is this one any different from the last one?

Babson - 1
Bates - 1
Boston College - 4
Boston University - 1
Bowden University - 1
Bowdoin College - 1
Brandeis - 1
Brown - 1
Bryant - 4
Colgate - 4
Colorado - 1
Columbia - 1
Cornell - 2
Dartmouth - 3
Eastern Connecticut - 1
Emory - 1
Fairfield University - 3
Fordham University - 2
Georgetown University - 2
Hartford University - 1
Harvard - 3
Haverford College - 1
Hofstra University - 1
Holy Cross - 2
Johns Hopkins - 1
Kenyon College - 1
La Salle - 1
Lasell - 1
Lehigh - 2
Marist College - 1
Maryland - 3
Middlebury - 4
Monmouth University - 1
North Carolina State - 1
Northeastern - 5
Norwich University - 1
NYU - 1
Pace University - 1
Pomona College - 1
Princeton - 1
Providence College - 3
Quinnipiac - 2
Sacred Heart - 2
Saint Lawrence - 1
Skidmore - 1
Southampton University (UK) - 1
St. Johns - 1
Tennessee State - 1
Towson - 1
Trinity College - 3
Tufts - 1
U. Maine Farmington - 1
UMass Amherst - 7
UMass Boston - 1
UMass Lowell - 2
Union College - 1
University of Charlotte - 1
University of Chicago - 1
University of Connecticut - 1
University of Georgia - 2
University of North Carolina - 1
University of Pennsylvania - 1
University of Puget Sound - 1
University of Rhode Island - 1
University of Rochester - 3
University of Tennessee - 1
University of Vermont - 1
Villanova - 3
Wesleyan - 1
Wheaton - 2
William & Mary - 1
Yale University - 2

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Better yet, lets put them end to end..


Adelphi - 1
American - 1
Amherst - 7
Assumption - 3
Babson - 2
Bates - 2
Bentley - 7
Boston College - 18
Boston University - 2
Bowdoin - 2
Bridgewater State - 1
Brown - 4
Bryant - 1
Case Western - 1
Colby Sawyer - 1
Cornell - 1
Dartmouth - 3
Dickinson College - 1
Drew - 1
Drexel - 1
Duke - 1
East Carolina - 1
Elon - 1
Endicott - 1
Fairfield - 1
George Washington - 1
Georgia Southern - 1
Gordon College - 1
Goucher College - 1
Grand - 1
Harvard - 4
Hobart - 1
Holy Cross - 3
Ithaca - 1
Johns Hopkins - 2
Keene State - 3
Long Island - 1
Loyola MD - 1
Merrimack - 3
Middlebury - 1
Mount Ida - 1
Northeastern - 9
NYU - 1
Old Dominion - 1
Providence - 7
Quinnipiac - 1
RIT - 1
Roger Williams - 4
Saint Anselm - 1
Salve Regina - 1
San Diego State - 2
Seton Hall - 1
Sienna - 1
Skidmore - 1
South Carolina - 1
Southern New Hampshire - 1
Springfield - 1
St. Anselms - 3
St. Josephs - 1
St. Lawrence - 2
Stanford - 2
Stonehill - 4
Swarthmore - 1
Trinity - 3
Tufts - 1
U Mass Amherst - 2
U Mass Dartmouth - 1
U Mass Lowell - 5
UNH - 3
Union - 1
URI - 1
Wake Forest - 1
Wellesley College - 1
Wentworth - 2
Wesleyan CT - 1
Western New England - 1
Westfield State - 3
Wheaton - 5
William Smith - 1
Williams - 4
Worcester State - 2
WPI - 1
Yale - 1

or

Babson - 1
Bates - 1
Boston College - 4
Boston University - 1
Bowden University - 1
Bowdoin College - 1
Brandeis - 1
Brown - 1
Bryant - 4
Colgate - 4
Colorado - 1
Columbia - 1
Cornell - 2
Dartmouth - 3
Eastern Connecticut - 1
Emory - 1
Fairfield University - 3
Fordham University - 2
Georgetown University - 2
Hartford University - 1
Harvard - 3
Haverford College - 1
Hofstra University - 1
Holy Cross - 2
Johns Hopkins - 1
Kenyon College - 1
La Salle - 1
Lasell - 1
Lehigh - 2
Marist College - 1
Maryland - 3
Middlebury - 4
Monmouth University - 1
North Carolina State - 1
Northeastern - 5
Norwich University - 1
NYU - 1
Pace University - 1
Pomona College - 1
Princeton - 1
Providence College - 3
Quinnipiac - 2
Sacred Heart - 2
Saint Lawrence - 1
Skidmore - 1
Southampton University (UK) - 1
St. Johns - 1
Tennessee State - 1
Towson - 1
Trinity College - 3
Tufts - 1
U. Maine Farmington - 1
UMass Amherst - 7
UMass Boston - 1
UMass Lowell - 2
Union College - 1
University of Charlotte - 1
University of Chicago - 1
University of Connecticut - 1
University of Georgia - 2
University of North Carolina - 1
University of Pennsylvania - 1
University of Puget Sound - 1
University of Rhode Island - 1
University of Rochester - 3
University of Tennessee - 1
University of Vermont - 1
Villanova - 3
Wesleyan - 1
Wheaton - 2
William & Mary - 1
Yale University - 2

Does either of these lists really tell you anything?

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Wrong. If the club is going to use the information to sell its product they have an obligation to know its accuracy. Then to, what does it say about the coach's involvement if they have no idea what sort of situation their player is walking into. At the very least they should know if the player is in over their head. That is unless they are so detached they have no idea what the college coach is looking for and what their player brings to the table.

What do you suggest a club coach do then if a player, in their opinion, is walking into a situation above their ability? Should they insert themselves and help place the player with a lower level program?

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What do you suggest a club coach do then if a player, in their opinion, is walking into a situation above their ability? Should they insert themselves and help place the player with a lower level program?

Good luck on that one. Also there are positives that come from being part of a high level team even if one doesn't play. Every team has bench sitters from UNC to Arkansas (trying to pick a school where no one goes here). I doubt that players who have no chance to contribute regularly think they do or think it is more than a long shot.

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but do you really think that if the school didn't include the player in the press release that announces the incomming class that they expect much from that player, never mind gave them any money? Keep in mind these families would have spent thousands presumably for the opportunity to receive a college scholarship and the clubs are using their commitments like a business card in their sales pitch. In this case the inclusion would appear to be misleading.

Not misleading at all if the commitment came AFTER the press release...I mean, logically speaking, but don't let the concept of temporal impossibility get your way.

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Better yet, lets put them end to end..


Adelphi - 1
American - 1
Amherst - 7
Assumption - 3
Babson - 2
Bates - 2
Bentley - 7
Boston College - 18
Boston University - 2
Bowdoin - 2
Bridgewater State - 1
Brown - 4
Bryant - 1
Case Western - 1
Colby Sawyer - 1
Cornell - 1
Dartmouth - 3
Dickinson College - 1
Drew - 1
Drexel - 1
Duke - 1
East Carolina - 1
Elon - 1
Endicott - 1
Fairfield - 1
George Washington - 1
Georgia Southern - 1
Gordon College - 1
Goucher College - 1
Grand - 1
Harvard - 4
Hobart - 1
Holy Cross - 3
Ithaca - 1
Johns Hopkins - 2
Keene State - 3
Long Island - 1
Loyola MD - 1
Merrimack - 3
Middlebury - 1
Mount Ida - 1
Northeastern - 9
NYU - 1
Old Dominion - 1
Providence - 7
Quinnipiac - 1
RIT - 1
Roger Williams - 4
Saint Anselm - 1
Salve Regina - 1
San Diego State - 2
Seton Hall - 1
Sienna - 1
Skidmore - 1
South Carolina - 1
Southern New Hampshire - 1
Springfield - 1
St. Anselms - 3
St. Josephs - 1
St. Lawrence - 2
Stanford - 2
Stonehill - 4
Swarthmore - 1
Trinity - 3
Tufts - 1
U Mass Amherst - 2
U Mass Dartmouth - 1
U Mass Lowell - 5
UNH - 3
Union - 1
URI - 1
Wake Forest - 1
Wellesley College - 1
Wentworth - 2
Wesleyan CT - 1
Western New England - 1
Westfield State - 3
Wheaton - 5
William Smith - 1
Williams - 4
Worcester State - 2
WPI - 1
Yale - 1

or

Babson - 1
Bates - 1
Boston College - 4
Boston University - 1
Bowden University - 1
Bowdoin College - 1
Brandeis - 1
Brown - 1
Bryant - 4
Colgate - 4
Colorado - 1
Columbia - 1
Cornell - 2
Dartmouth - 3
Eastern Connecticut - 1
Emory - 1
Fairfield University - 3
Fordham University - 2
Georgetown University - 2
Hartford University - 1
Harvard - 3
Haverford College - 1
Hofstra University - 1
Holy Cross - 2
Johns Hopkins - 1
Kenyon College - 1
La Salle - 1
Lasell - 1
Lehigh - 2
Marist College - 1
Maryland - 3
Middlebury - 4
Monmouth University - 1
North Carolina State - 1
Northeastern - 5
Norwich University - 1
NYU - 1
Pace University - 1
Pomona College - 1
Princeton - 1
Providence College - 3
Quinnipiac - 2
Sacred Heart - 2
Saint Lawrence - 1
Skidmore - 1
Southampton University (UK) - 1
St. Johns - 1
Tennessee State - 1
Towson - 1
Trinity College - 3
Tufts - 1
U. Maine Farmington - 1
UMass Amherst - 7
UMass Boston - 1
UMass Lowell - 2
Union College - 1
University of Charlotte - 1
University of Chicago - 1
University of Connecticut - 1
University of Georgia - 2
University of North Carolina - 1
University of Pennsylvania - 1
University of Puget Sound - 1
University of Rhode Island - 1
University of Rochester - 3
University of Tennessee - 1
University of Vermont - 1
Villanova - 3
Wesleyan - 1
Wheaton - 2
William & Mary - 1
Yale University - 2

Does either of these lists really tell you anything?

These are virtually useless without knowing timelines, genders, whether kids really rostered/played, etc. That said, 2nd list is clearly a Stars list and for what it's worth has far less lower end D3s (academically and athletically) as the 1st list.

We don't need to throw out a lot of nonsense to confuse the situation. It is well-accepted, despite those that want to distract you, who over the past 5 years has had the best outcomes and results (both on the pitch and at the college doors). Not close. Slam dunk. Thanks for playing.

It's really weird when folks ignore clear data presented like 46 out of 55 to D1 and very concrete outcomes for a club or team and go off on some tangent to distract everyone. What possibly could be the relevance of referencing old Bolts and CRU, especially when the landscape and overall difficulty of landing a D1 spot have changed significantly.

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Not misleading at all if the commitment came AFTER the press release...I mean, logically speaking, but don't let the concept of temporal impossibility get your way.

come on, thats way to logical for this site. I mean wheres the conspiracy theory in that?

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Not misleading at all if the commitment came AFTER the press release...I mean, logically speaking, but don't let the concept of temporal impossibility get your way.

Schools can only make one press release about an incoming class per the NCAA; that's why you see some announcements delayed (waiting for all class members to be accepted) or see some players not included. Some schools include all players including those without NLIs; others only post scholarship players. It's dangerous to make assumptions based on the press releases and frankly it's not anyone's business who gets what sort of money from whom.

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Fact: JD and GC told their teams they sucked in Chicago.

Fact: GC has told current U16 players that he wanted them committed this year.

Juniors should be committed by the end of Jr year. After jr year there are very few opportunities to be seen and schools are running out of roster spots. Any coach who is advising his team that they can wait until fall of sr yr is either coaching mostly lower end d3 players or is a fool.

Just love how the story always changes to dispell whenever the previous version doesn't make the Stars look good in the moment. This was posted on the commitmentsss thread. So now everyone is just supposed to believe that a relatively high level program like UConn was saving scholarship money?

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Just love how the story always changes to dispell whenever the previous version doesn't make the Stars look good in the moment. This was posted on the commitmentsss thread. So now everyone is just supposed to believe that a relatively high level program like UConn was saving scholarship money?

I'm sure you are bashing something here but no sure what.

Are you saying waiting until after jr year is a good idea?
Are you saying telling people to wait is a good idea?

You are confusing.

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Just love how the story always changes to dispell whenever the previous version doesn't make the Stars look good in the moment. This was posted on the commitmentsss thread. So now everyone is just supposed to believe that a relatively high level program like UConn was saving scholarship money?

NEFC is great. Stars focus too much on college. Then there is one Stars player who might not really be committed (out of the 200). Then they are actually committing TOO early.

One thing rings very clear. There is an awful lot of talk about Stars/Scorps and colleges. Must be a high correlation.

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I'm sure you are bashing something here but no sure what.

Are you saying waiting until after jr year is a good idea?
Are you saying telling people to wait is a good idea?

You are confusing.

Nope just frantic and having a little trouble following my own arguments. It's so much easier when I knock down my own straw man arguments.