u12G blue spring predictions

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Solid point. However if your going to use Goals scored then we must also take a look at goals against and the over all plus minus record. If we use the results then the Pioneers 1 goal is actually not that far off based on the quality of the goal vs. where or who the goal came from.

You have to consider that the goals scored against teams that did not belong in that top group should not be counted. Unless your just a freak soccer mom or dad who can not see beyond the reality of fact and are blinded by biased opinion on support for your child. It should be noted, I don't see anything wrong with that. A love for a child no matter how far off based in reality is fine. We simply need more parents that in tune in a world of so much hate. Now back to the point: If we are intelligent soccer minds doing a fair comparison then the information below is realistic to make a valid judgement.

For example the teams that gave up several goals in 2 games only:

Aztec = 6 goals against
Western United = 5 goals against
Berlin Youth = 4 goals against
Beachside = 4 goals against.

The benefit of running the tournament is 2 of the worst teams in the tournament were in NEFC Pride group in Aztec and Beachside. It was easy to score there.

NEFC Gunners scored 5 goals. 4 vs. Western Utd who was the 2nd woarse team in tournament. Which gives them 1 quality goal.

NEFC Red Raiders scored 5 goals. 4 vs. Berlin alone and 2 with out the Berlin goalie in net. 1 vs. Pioneers who they tied 1-1. so 1 Quality goal.

NEFC Pride scored 6 goals. 5 vs. Aztec which is the worst team in the group and 1 versus one of the other teams that should not be in the top group Giving them 0 quality goal. See note below on Semi's...they scored ZERO goals of quality.

Stars scored 3 goals. 2 vs. NEFC Stars and 1 vs. Oakwood.

Pioneers scored their 1 goal against NEFC Red Raiders who was a top 4 team and gave up only 1 goal and that came against Red Raiders.

So when you break down Round Robin play you have this.

Stars 2 quality goals as 1 vs. 3rd place team. Stars scored 1 in Semi and was final PK? Total 4 Goals for and 0 Against. Plus 4.

Gunners 1 quality goal vs. FSA who only gave up 1 goal all tournament. 2 in Semi vs. Red Raiders. Total 3. But also gave up 3 by Final. Even 0.

Red Raiders 1 quality goal vs. Pioneers. But gave up 2 in Semi. Minus 1.

Pioneers 1 quality goal vs. Red Raiders. But gave up 1 vs. Red Raiders. Even.

Pride 0 quality goals as they scored only vs. bad teams in round robin and did not score in semi final. 2 goals against between Round Robin and Semi for a Minus 2.


If we are using goals for then we must also consider goals against and show that the result based on your post is this.

1. STARS +4
2. NEFC Gunners Even
3. Pioneers Even
4. FSA/WHP White Even
5. NEFC Red Raiders Minus 1
6. NEFC Pride Minus 2

What you say to this?

I say you have too much time on your hands and you also have no idea what you are talking about. There's so much more that goes into a game than the score. Did you see all of the games? Do you know who was on the field when goals were scored? Were coaches playing differently when they had big leads? Did a team give up a goal or 2 because they played more of their weaker players when the game outcome had already been decided?

Also, how did the Stars team have the toughest group? The other MA team in their group was a 2nd division team in the fall. Two of the other three brackets had at least 2 1st division teams. The only other MA team with a green division team in their group was NEFC Pride.

Each bracket also had 1 team from CT and the Oakwood team that Stars played is the lowest ranked of those 4 teams. Oakwood also lost to Beachside (according to your post the weakest CT team) at this very same tournament. In fact, both of the teams in the Stars bracket lost their consolation games. The two other consolation games ended in draws, so in actuality it looks as if Stars had the easiest road to the semis.

Stars deserved to win the tournament because they won all of their games, but the reality is that any of the top 3 teams could have won. Stars won the semi on PK's and the final by a score of 1-0 after both teams had a handful of chances to score. This age group is a 3 team race with Stars, NEFC Gunners, and NEFC Pride. The rest of the teams are a good way off. Personally I'd give Stars the edge right now, but there's not a huge difference between the top 3.

The really interesting piece of this will come if/when NEFC decides to put all of their top talent together. I do not know if they plan to do this, but I'm assuming they'll do so at some point. If they do that will cause quite a shift in this age group.

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Most of the NEFC teams had already played in several out-of-state tournaments, looking at the gotsoccer website this does not seem to be the case for the Stars.

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Stars don't need too. The only reason NEFC are travelling with their younger teams is to try and raise the profile of the club within the Region.....its called marketing.

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Stars don't need too. The only reason NEFC are travelling with their younger teams is to try and raise the profile of the club within the Region.....its called marketing.

Stars, NEFC, Scorpions, Aztecs, Western United, MPS, SS Select...........

All have teams going to PDA this weekend.

Oh, and Stars also take their younger teams to Chicago during the summer. You are just unaware of it because it doesn't show up on gotsoccer.

Don't act as if NEFC travels and nobody else does. If you don't want to travel, don't have your child play for a team that does. If you see value in traveling and your child can make a team that plays in out of state tournaments, then go for it.

I have never understood the back and forth arguing over this issue. Nobody is handcuffing parents and forcing them to travel. Everyone has a choice regarding where their child plays. Make your own choice and move on.

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Just as predicted -after the second week in a row, WU and Pioneers are still at the bottom of the barrel.

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Just as predicted -after the second week in a row, WU and Pioneers are still at the bottom of the barrel.

Haven't paid much attention to this age group but which U12G team is better, Pioneers or WU? What are their styles of play, coaches and teams like?

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Haven't paid much attention to this age group but which U12G team is better, Pioneers or WU? What are their styles of play, coaches and teams like?

Why would you even care?? Creeper....

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Why would you even care?? Creeper....

Sorry not everybody gets to see every BLUE division team. 1 poster said they are bottom of the barrel but they are both MAPLE Blue division team so they must be decent? Sorry for asking.

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Why would you even care?? Creeper....

if you are not interested in this thread why are you even on it. you are the one with issues.

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If you are asking because you have a child at this age level and are looking at options...the better qustion would be which team has the coaching philosophy and training style that will best suit my child.

If your child will do well with coaching where she directed form the sidelines by an x-Martine who feels that coaching U12 girls is the same as coaching college men (hsi words not mine), then the Pioneers would be a good fit. If you like a quieter coaching style that stresses individual development by allowing players to attempt new moves, passes, etc rather than being directed from the sidelines, then WU is a better fit.

Of course, if you are looking for clubs in MAPLE for next fall, then WU is out because they are off to NEP.

If you really want a comparison for this spring...both teams lost players over the winter, and both are attempting to fill the roster spots. They are also 12 years old, and very susceptable to weekly fluxuations in performance.

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If you are asking because you have a child at this age level and are looking at options...the better qustion would be which team has the coaching philosophy and training style that will best suit my child.

If your child will do well with coaching where she directed form the sidelines by an x-Martine who feels that coaching U12 girls is the same as coaching college men (hsi words not mine), then the Pioneers would be a good fit. If you like a quieter coaching style that stresses individual development by allowing players to attempt new moves, passes, etc rather than being directed from the sidelines, then WU is a better fit.

Of course, if you are looking for clubs in MAPLE for next fall, then WU is out because they are off to NEP.

If you really want a comparison for this spring...both teams lost players over the winter, and both are attempting to fill the roster spots. They are also 12 years old, and very susceptable to weekly fluxuations in performance.

That is just a poor assessment and full of false information from a parent who clearly has an outside issue from the point here. The two coaches and clubs have two different mentalities that make them unique. The Pioneers as a club have followed a path more in line with trying to compete against the more successful clubs in the state. I have witnessed this team while with my son at training both outdoor and indoor from an outsider perspective and have seen them work on a great deal of coerver foot skills and one on one type moves. So again that is a false statement.
As for the Western United coach, he has taken the path of least resistance, more laize affair type coaching which has begun to hurt the team.
Yes, the fact is true that both teams have lost players over the winter but when you look at whom and why; you can make a better assessment based on the fact and not opinion. Western United had three of their best players (two of which are ODP) depart due to coaching and a lack of commitment to the team and their direction as one. It is no secret that people are upset with the lack of dedication on that team to competing and doing well as a team and are already making moves as a result.

The Pioneers have also lost three players. A back-up goalie and a player who had an injury and did not play this past year. The one thing the Pioneers can say is that they have only had one good player depart over the three years and that was due to family matters this year.

I am positive that both teams have players and parents on their team that would not trade for the other option due to the style in which they do coach. It’s the benefit of having said options so that you can play where it is best for the player.

I would argue that a player and parent who did not appreciate the manner in which they were being taught would have made the move already. E.g. Fact, Western lost two ODP players in departures while the Pioneers still have their two and from reading other posts, look to gain a third by the guest player and her dad that catch a good deal of grief on this page. So despite the negative tone of the quoted post the Pioneers seem to still be acquiring quality players versus the other scenario.

To say that one coach is as guilty as the other from coaching from the sideline is also very biased. I don’t think I’ve ever not heard a coach “coach” from the sideline. To say that the Pioneers coach “only” does so is also wrong as I’ve seen the United coach do so as well.

So if your digging for which team your daughter can play for and do well with, then the previous poster is right in that you have to decide what is right for your daughter. However, look at the facts and not the opinion of a parent or a unregistered poster. You will get tilted responses from both sides in favor and against for both coaches.

Answer this; do you want a coach with experience at all levels of play from youth, club, high school, college and even semi pro? Do you want a coach that will demand’s commitment to the team and development within the game? Do you want a team who is trying to develop to play in the top tournaments and to also play well in them? Then you are looking at the Pioneers.

If you are looking for a coach that knows the game and is as mentioned Laize affair in his approach? A coach that allows his players and parents to be free to come and go as they please? A team that is losing its quality players rather then gaining them? Then Western United is your choice.

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So where did the ODP players go. Does SDA benefit from any of this or are they the next team to be further dilluted? Sounds like those 3 clubs need to form one good team.

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So where did the ODP players go. Does SDA benefit from any of this or are they the next team to be further dilluted? Sounds like those 3 clubs need to form one good team.

Nope, SDA will probably lose 3-4 players and become completely irrelevant. I think Pioneers also lost 1 ODP quality player last season not sure where she is now I think she went to an NEP team as I did not see her in MAPLE but not sure which one. Question out there is whether or not they can all come together on 1 team or just continue to spiral into fractured irrelevance.

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while the Pioneers still have their two and from reading other posts, look to gain a third by the guest player and her dad that catch a good deal of grief on this page. So despite the negative tone of the quoted post the Pioneers seem to still be acquiring quality players versus the other scenario.
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So where did the ODP players go. Does SDA benefit from any of this or are they the next team to be further dilluted? Sounds like those 3 clubs need to form one good team.

Nope, SDA will probably lose 3-4 players and become completely irrelevant. I think Pioneers also lost 1 ODP quality player last season not sure where she is now I think she went to an NEP team as I did not see her in MAPLE but not sure which one. Question out there is whether or not they can all come together on 1 team or just continue to spiral into fractured irrelevance.

Want to set the record straight, because our guesting on the Pioneers seems to have generated multiple comments. As I stated previously, neither my daughter nor I have ANY belief that she is a "great" player. She does love the game and really enjoys playing. She has some strengths and many areas to work on! The coach of the Pioneers has been a great guy to us. My daughter does not have the opportunity to play 11 V 11 and having the chance to play with a really nice group of girls benefits her. We consider her lucky for the opportunity, and for the new friends she has made. She learned a different style of play and has had a chance to play against great teams. HOWEVER, the coach of Pioneers knows (and has known for 2 years) that we are loyal to a lovely SDA team (I don't really give a crap about W-L or Blue vs. Purple vs. NEP). We have really nice training, lovely kids and a team that offers strong developmental soccer right at home. Suffice it to say, Western MA is fortunate to have choices (WU, PIONEERS, SDA). The Pioneers coach has NOT acted unethically in our regard and has known from the start that my daughter is an SDA player and will remain one for the foreseeable future.

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Nope, SDA will probably lose 3-4 players and become completely irrelevant. I think Pioneers also lost 1 ODP quality player last season not sure where she is now I think she went to an NEP team as I did not see her in MAPLE but not sure which one. Question out there is whether or not they can all come together on 1 team or just continue to spiral into fractured irrelevance.

The poster may be correct regarding players leaving SDA. However, the poster may be wrong about SDA becoming irrelevant. Of the three, SDA has the smallest player pool to choose players from. The Pioneers and WU are physically stronger and in general have better athletes. The SDA team has better skilled soccer players. They are not far away from either team and in a few years would surely pass them. So they lose a few players and take a hit. They will reload, rebuild and move forward. U12, U13, U14 soccer is all about development. I don't care if my child is in the blue division or the red division. These are the years to learn the game and develop as a soccer player and person. What's important to me is: Where will she become a better soccer player? No one will remember where she played at U13 or whether she played in MAPLE or NEP (or MASC, for that matter). Six years from now when she goes off to college what she'll take with her are the good times she's had playing the game, the friends she's made and the skills she's learned. She may or may not want to play in college; she's only 12, but if she wants to she'll likely be able to. It's about her.