Merry Christmas from Donald Trump

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Myth: The real issue is mental health

According to one 2015 study, “eliminating the effects of mental illness” would reduce gun violence by a mere 4%. Between 2001 and 2010, only 5% percent of gun homicides were committed by individuals diagnosed with some mental illness. That might speak more to under-diagnosing these illnesses than the shooters themselves. That said, gun violence and mental illness “intersect at the edges” but very little, said Jeffrey Swanson.

The professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University specializes in gun violence and mental illness. He told CNN, “Mental health stakeholders are loath to have this conversation about improving mental health care in a context driven by violence prevention, because that’s not why we need mental health reform per se,” Swanson said. “We need it because people are struggling with illnesses and they don’t have access to care.”

“The mental health community and stakeholders are very concerned about reinforcing the false association in the public’s mind between mental illness and violence, because that is a source of a great deal of discrimination,” Swanson said.

Swanson supports comprehensive background checks, but effective ones. To make background checks work, criteria for inclusion should be based on other indicators of risk, such as pending charges or convictions for violent assault, domestic violence restraining orders, or multiple DUIs. Swanson called these more reliable indicators of aggressive, impulsive, or risky behavior.

The more mass shootings America sees, the less we can disagree that gun control needs reform. We can get closer to that reform first by acknowledging and debunking many of the myths that perpetuate our current status quo.



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No. It's not a BS term. If what you say is true, our marines would be carrying #2 pencils and not assault weapons. This is just tired stupid Republican deflection that leverages the below-average intelligence of the Republican snowflake sheep.

the weapons our marines carry are fully automatic- huge difference

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2nd amendment, it will never be overturned. Just cause you don’t get it doesn’t mean it’s not good for you.

Keep the 2nd, just make it safer. That's all people want except the nuts that think not being able to have AR is an infringement.

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Myth: The Second Amendment protects all gun rights

The Second Amendment reads, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” The part about “well-regulated” is often ignored. As The New Yorker pointed out, “If the Founders hadn’t wanted guns to be regulated, and thoroughly, they would not have put the phrase ‘well regulated’ in the amendment.”

Fox News reported that Michael Moore suggested a 28th amendment, imposing a few clarifications to those words. His suggestions included magazine limits, fingerprint-recognizing triggers, storing guns at a registered facility and licensing.

“Current restrictions placed on the Centers for Disease Control, due to successful lobbying by the NRA, have prohibited them from studying the gun violence epidemic in the U.S.,” he pointed out. “These rules need to be removed and the funding restored. Science will then be free to find out why we are alone among nations in killing each other at such a massive rate.”


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Myth: The real issue is mental health

According to one 2015 study, “eliminating the effects of mental illness” would reduce gun violence by a mere 4%. Between 2001 and 2010, only 5% percent of gun homicides were committed by individuals diagnosed with some mental illness. That might speak more to under-diagnosing these illnesses than the shooters themselves. That said, gun violence and mental illness “intersect at the edges” but very little, said Jeffrey Swanson.

The professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University specializes in gun violence and mental illness. He told CNN, “Mental health stakeholders are loath to have this conversation about improving mental health care in a context driven by violence prevention, because that’s not why we need mental health reform per se,” Swanson said. “We need it because people are struggling with illnesses and they don’t have access to care.”

“The mental health community and stakeholders are very concerned about reinforcing the false association in the public’s mind between mental illness and violence, because that is a source of a great deal of discrimination,” Swanson said.

Swanson supports comprehensive background checks, but effective ones. To make background checks work, criteria for inclusion should be based on other indicators of risk, such as pending charges or convictions for violent assault, domestic violence restraining orders, or multiple DUIs. Swanson called these more reliable indicators of aggressive, impulsive, or risky behavior.

The more mass shootings America sees, the less we can disagree that gun control needs reform. We can get closer to that reform first by acknowledging and debunking many of the myths that perpetuate our current status quo.

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The issue is obviously not mental health. The only snowflakes who believe that are Republican sheep, who lack a certain ability to think and possess a certain ability to repeat what they are told.

Other industrialized countries have the same mental health issues in the same numbers as us without this kind of incident. The issue is the overabundance of weapons, particularly semiautomatic ones with large magazines and options like bump stocks.

But, hey, don't let facts get in the way. Oh. Also, those countries get the same movies and video games.

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Myth: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun

Most armed citizens fare worse than their police counterparts, largely due to a lack of training. In an independent study commissioned by the National Gun Victims Action Council, researchers placed 77 participants with varying levels of training through three realistic self-defense scenarios. In the first, seven of them shot an innocent bystander. Almost all of the participants in the first and second scenarios who engaged the “bad guy” got shot. In the final scenario, 23% of the participants fired at a suspect who actually posed no threat.

Of the 160 active shooting incidents identified by the FBI from 2000 to 2013, an armed civilian stopped only one. By comparison, off-duty police stopped two, armed guards four, and unarmed civilians foiled 21.


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Mentally ill people do less shooting of humans than regular good guys with guns do. Remember, this latest high school shooter, the guy in Vegas, the guy at the church in Charleston, those stand-up citizens were all "good guys with guns" until they weren't.

Being a killer means you are evil and need to go to jail. Being a killer doesn't not automatically mean you are mentally ill.

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Myth: Guns don’t kill people. People kill people

Guns also don’t hold themselves, or pull their own triggers. According to a recent study by the Violence Policy Center, in 2012 only 259 justifiable homicides (when someone is killed without the attacker being subject to criminal charges) nationwide involved a citizen using a firearm. That same year, the FBI tallied 8,342 criminal gun homicides. In 2012, for every justifiable homicide in the United States involving a gun, 32 criminal homicides took place.

A Harvard study found that states with the highest number of firearms also saw a firearm homicide rate that was 114% higher than states with the lowest number of firearms. That same study found household firearms contributed significantly to the number of “guns used to kill people both on the street and in their homes.”



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Myth: The real issue is mental health

According to one 2015 study, “eliminating the effects of mental illness” would reduce gun violence by a mere 4%. Between 2001 and 2010, only 5% percent of gun homicides were committed by individuals diagnosed with some mental illness. That might speak more to under-diagnosing these illnesses than the shooters themselves. That said, gun violence and mental illness “intersect at the edges” but very little, said Jeffrey Swanson.

The professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University specializes in gun violence and mental illness. He told CNN, “Mental health stakeholders are loath to have this conversation about improving mental health care in a context driven by violence prevention, because that’s not why we need mental health reform per se,” Swanson said. “We need it because people are struggling with illnesses and they don’t have access to care.”

“The mental health community and stakeholders are very concerned about reinforcing the false association in the public’s mind between mental illness and violence, because that is a source of a great deal of discrimination,” Swanson said.

Swanson supports comprehensive background checks, but effective ones. To make background checks work, criteria for inclusion should be based on other indicators of risk, such as pending charges or convictions for violent assault, domestic violence restraining orders, or multiple DUIs. Swanson called these more reliable indicators of aggressive, impulsive, or risky behavior.

The more mass shootings America sees, the less we can disagree that gun control needs reform. We can get closer to that reform first by acknowledging and debunking many of the myths that perpetuate our current status quo.



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I see their point because it does stigmatize a large group who never would hurt other or even themselves. It's the small number who turn to military machinery to do the most damage we need protection from. Anyone who would kill children are the craziest of all. The average citizen is more likely to be shot by a "common criminal" or abusive significant other.

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Myth: No law could prevent mass shootings

In the aftermath of the shooting at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, conservative writer David French denigrated stricter gun control. “The gun-control debate is nothing more than a destructive distraction,” he said. “Is there a single, viable gun-control proposal of the last decade that would keep a committed jihadist from arming himself?”

Actually, there is.

If gun-shop owners had to notify the FBI when somebody on one of the terror watch lists purchased a weapon, agents could investigate. Maybe they could even prevent the attack. Restrictions on magazine size, automatic or semi-automatic weapons or modifications would also mitigate the carnage. America’s gun homicide rate is almost six times higher than the gun homicide rate in Canada. It’s more than seven times the rate of Sweden, and 16 times the rate of Germany, according to U.N. data.

In Australia, when lawmakers responded to a deadly mass shooting in 1996, gun-related homicide rates dropped by 42%. That country’s gun buyback program confiscated about 650,000 guns, resulting in lower homicide rates. According to IZA researchers, taking back 3,500 guns per 100,000 created a 50% drop in homicide rates.


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Myth: The real issue is mental health

According to one 2015 study, “eliminating the effects of mental illness” would reduce gun violence by a mere 4%. Between 2001 and 2010, only 5% percent of gun homicides were committed by individuals diagnosed with some mental illness. That might speak more to under-diagnosing these illnesses than the shooters themselves. That said, gun violence and mental illness “intersect at the edges” but very little, said Jeffrey Swanson.

The professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University specializes in gun violence and mental illness. He told CNN, “Mental health stakeholders are loath to have this conversation about improving mental health care in a context driven by violence prevention, because that’s not why we need mental health reform per se,” Swanson said. “We need it because people are struggling with illnesses and they don’t have access to care.”

“The mental health community and stakeholders are very concerned about reinforcing the false association in the public’s mind between mental illness and violence, because that is a source of a great deal of discrimination,” Swanson said.

Swanson supports comprehensive background checks, but effective ones. To make background checks work, criteria for inclusion should be based on other indicators of risk, such as pending charges or convictions for violent assault, domestic violence restraining orders, or multiple DUIs. Swanson called these more reliable indicators of aggressive, impulsive, or risky behavior.

The more mass shootings America sees, the less we can disagree that gun control needs reform. We can get closer to that reform first by acknowledging and debunking many of the myths that perpetuate our current status quo.



http://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/co...ntrol.html/10/

lets be real

#1 cause of death by gun is suicide (60%)- where do they take you if you survive a suicide attempt?
the psych ward, why?

then you have murder for profit and business, cause (gangs,organized crime,drug dealing)- some of those people are serial killers for sure but they go to prison-
then you have rage self defense and one offs-
where does the school shooter fit in?

my inclination is that if you decide one day to walk into a crowded place and just spray the room without any care of who is in it then you have some serious issues
but I get why doctors dont want the stigma attached, that doesnt mean it doesnt apply

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Myth: Guns don’t kill people. People kill people

Guns also don’t hold themselves, or pull their own triggers. According to a recent study by the Violence Policy Center, in 2012 only 259 justifiable homicides (when someone is killed without the attacker being subject to criminal charges) nationwide involved a citizen using a firearm. That same year, the FBI tallied 8,342 criminal gun homicides. In 2012, for every justifiable homicide in the United States involving a gun, 32 criminal homicides took place.

A Harvard study found that states with the highest number of firearms also saw a firearm homicide rate that was 114% higher than states with the lowest number of firearms. That same study found household firearms contributed significantly to the number of “guns used to kill people both on the street and in their homes.”

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I wonder how many suicides each year are committed using a gun and how many wouldn't be if the person had longer to think about it than the pull of a trigger? I wonder how many children under 13 are injured and killed by guns each year and wouldn't be if the guns weren't there? I wonder how those totals compare to the number of times a good guy with a gun is successful?

How about we use butter knives or cars. We can make good guys with butter knives and good guys with cars feel really special about their heroic interventions and not suffer the overwhelming death that guns bring to society!! We can even sell accessories, like an "automatic butterer" conversion. Mission accomplished.

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Myth: Criminals don’t follow the law, so why have any?

By that logic, why have any laws at all? It’s also not universally true. One study found that over the past two decades, terrorists in the U.S. have basically stopped using bombs. In the aftermath of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, federal legislation made it harder for consumers to obtain ingredients and easier to monitor purchases. Instead, terrorists switched to guns. An investigation by the Trace revealed that firearms caused 95% of domestic terrorism deaths between January 2002 and August 2015.

Need more convincing? According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, the higher the number of state firearm laws, the lower the number of homicides and suicides there.


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lets be real

#1 cause of death by gun is suicide (60%)- where do they take you if you survive a suicide attempt?
the psych ward, why?

then you have murder for profit and business, cause (gangs,organized crime,drug dealing)- some of those people are serial killers for sure but they go to prison-
then you have rage self defense and one offs-
where does the school shooter fit in?

my inclination is that if you decide one day to walk into a crowded place and just spray the room without any care of who is in it then you have some serious issues
but I get why doctors dont want the stigma attached, that doesnt mean it doesnt apply

And if you don't have a weapon that can "spare the room" guess what doesn't happen?

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Myth: The Second Amendment protects all gun rights

The Second Amendment reads, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” The part about “well-regulated” is often ignored. As The New Yorker pointed out, “If the Founders hadn’t wanted guns to be regulated, and thoroughly, they would not have put the phrase ‘well regulated’ in the amendment.”

Fox News reported that Michael Moore suggested a 28th amendment, imposing a few clarifications to those words. His suggestions included magazine limits, fingerprint-recognizing triggers, storing guns at a registered facility and licensing.

“Current restrictions placed on the Centers for Disease Control, due to successful lobbying by the NRA, have prohibited them from studying the gun violence epidemic in the U.S.,” he pointed out. “These rules need to be removed and the funding restored. Science will then be free to find out why we are alone among nations in killing each other at such a massive rate.”


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Kind of like the free speech argument - you can say what you want, but within certain boundaries where doing so could cause harm (eg can't yell fire in a crowded theater). The founding fathers knew they wouldn't get everything right and gave us a system to make modifications. They certainly never foretold assault rifles being used to kill innocent people