Merry Christmas from Donald Trump

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The gun didnt shoot itself- no gun does-
I could sit any gun on the table fully loaded with the safety off and nothing would happen
Nothing

We're not proposing to ban guns because loaded guns are unsafe.

We are proposing to ban guns because they are used to murder schoolchildren.

See the difference?

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I dont know about you guys, but my wife was really upset yesterday. I think all this school killing is starting to reach a tilping point, or maybe just in our household. Parents (like my wife) now fearful of sending their kids to school is simply not normal, it's no way to live. These discussions need to be had, and we need to try to do SOMETHING to stop this. Decent people must take a stand.

I think there are too many guns and that they are too available. The next guy thinks differently. We can argue about it, we should debate it, but if people are going to float lies, deceptions and falsehoods, then the debate must end. Discussion is important, but that discussion has to have integrity and sincerity. And both sides must agree that some action (or actions), whether it's actionable measures regardung mental health, or gun control, or f'in moonbeams must be attempted. Sacrifices will have to be made. The medicine may be bitter for some. But we can't stand by and watch our children destroyed like this. We have to reclaim our humanity.

Agree something needs to be done but I will defend the second amendment and I'm not even a gun owner. This mainly has to do with mental health along with a host of other cultural factors.

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I often see in discussions about the merits of gun control, people utilise the argument that "more people die in car crashes than from guns, should we ban cars too?" People dying in car crashes is horrible, but not only is it a totally seperate issue, this argument is invalid.

When you get in your car and turn it on, the goal in mind is to get from wherever you are currently to wherever you are wanting to be. A successful drive of a car involves you and your passengers if applicable arriving at your destination, all involved are unharmed. Vehicular injuries or deaths generally arise as a result of some form misuse (either negligence or carelessness), badly designed road or badly designed vehicle. If you attempt to use a vehicle for its intended purpose and nothing goes wrong, nobody gets harmed.

On the other hand with guns, when you pick up a gun and pull the trigger, the idea is the thing its pointed at gets maimed or killed- i.e. that is its designed purpose. If you point a gun at something and pull the trigger, and the thing its pointed at isn't injured or killed, either you didn't use it well (i.e. you missed) or it isn't a very good/well designed gun.

When we're talking about vehicular deaths, they are referred to as "accidents," whereas when someone gets killed by a gun its referred to as a "shooting." In the firearm scenario, the "shooter" has successfully carried out a "shooting," where as in the vehicle scenario the "driver" has had "an accident."

What I'm getting at is cars are designed for a practical harmless purpose which we more or less all desire, whereas guns are designed for a harmful purpose which at least one person/thing involved with any shooting does not desire. Cars are in a totally different ballpark and the amount of deaths caused by cars is completely irrelevant when discussing gun control.

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Agree something needs to be done but I will defend the second amendment and I'm not even a gun owner. This mainly has to do with mental health along with a host of other cultural factors.

Snowflake sheep like you are part of the problem. Perhaps you need to visit Fox and Friends and bone up on your narrative and talking points?

Nobody is saying you shouldn't have your muzzle-loading musket. All we are saying, is let's be reasonable about which guns are available to whom. Discussion and action around gun availability must happen, because children are dying (and don't get me started about how guns enable suicide, domestic abuse, etc.).

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Agree something needs to be done but I will defend the second amendment and I'm not even a gun owner. This mainly has to do with mental health along with a host of other cultural factors.

Weapons don't need to be banned. They can be regulated. The NRA and gun lobbyists vehemently oppose any and all regulation.

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The hell they aren't promoting carnage. Did you see the spike in AR-15 sales after Newtown. The gun whose inventor had said is a weapon of war and had regrets over its invention. The NRA drove that spike with rhetoric that the Dems were going to take them away.

Again with the auto industry comparison. Auto industry has made cars safer over the years with seat belts, crumple zoned, anti lock brakes and air bags, etc.

What has the gun industry done to make guns safer. What's the gun industry's stance on safe guns, armor piercing bullets, or background checks or

Do you know the difference between an AR 15 and any other semi automatic weapon?
The seat belt doesnt protect the pedestrian you hit with the car
We have background checks, gun safes, rules for transporting, gun free zones( those work right?)

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Agree something needs to be done but I will defend the second amendment and I'm not even a gun owner. This mainly has to do with mental health along with a host of other cultural factors.

So other countries don't have mental health issues. Canada for example.

It's a gun AND mental health issue.

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Weapons don't need to be banned. They can be regulated. The NRA and gun lobbyists vehemently oppose any and all regulation.

There is a ton of regulations on firearms and a whole slew of govt agencies in charge of enforcing them

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So other countries don't have mental health issues. Canada for example.

It's a gun AND mental health issue.

I would add the degredation of the family structure , community, and religion(any)

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Do you know the difference between an AR 15 and any other semi automatic weapon?
The seat belt doesnt protect the pedestrian you hit with the car
We have background checks, gun safes, rules for transporting, gun free zones( those work right?)

Oh, here we go, moving from the "cars are efficient killing machines just like guns" to "since criminals don't follow the law, gun laws, like gun-free zones, are useless and should not exist."

Following that logic, why have any laws at all? Right. You're an idiot.

If you look at the science, countries with tighter gun restrictions don't suffer this kind of regular massacre. Believe it or not, that's not a coincidence. It's either a) gun control works or b) God likes their gun control better. Pick one.

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Snowflake sheep like you are part of the problem. Perhaps you need to visit Fox and Friends and bone up on your narrative and talking points?

Nobody is saying you shouldn't have your muzzle-loading musket. All we are saying, is let's be reasonable about which guns are available to whom. Discussion and action around gun availability must happen, because children are dying (and don't get me started about how guns enable suicide, domestic abuse, etc.).

The muzzle loader was the state of the art weapon of the times. Same weapon used by the army of the king. Are you advocating we are entitled to what our armed forces are issued?

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So other countries don't have mental health issues. Canada for example.

It's a gun AND mental health issue.

Bingo. One side wants to address BOTH issues and despite all the NRA fear mongering isn't going to take guns away. The other side only talks about mental health, but never does anything and actually rolled back restrictions for unstable people. The proposed. WH budget also makes cuts to mental health funding and research (and would get worse if they succeed in repealing ACA). Guess who that is.

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The muzzle loader was the state of the art weapon of the times. Same weapon used by the army of the king. Are you advocating we are entitled to what our armed forces are issued?

No. I am advocating muzzle loaders be the weapon that the second amendment permits.

(Really, you think that way? Sad. Very sad.)

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There is a ton of regulations on firearms and a whole slew of govt agencies in charge of enforcing them

And yet, they are so easy to buy.

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Do you know the difference between an AR 15 and any other semi automatic weapon?
The seat belt doesnt protect the pedestrian you hit with the car
We have background checks, gun safes, rules for transporting, gun free zones( those work right?)

The new auto technology such as self braking help save pedestrians

Your last sentence talks to Nothing that was done to the gun itself to make it safer. I was referencing things like Smart gun technology such as RFID, biometrics, etc to make a gun safer.

The AR15 is the civilian version of the M16. The difference is that the AR15 only allow one shot per trigger while the M16 allows for a continuous stream of bullets. Unless you get a bump stock