Merry Christmas from Donald Trump

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Do you have any idea what the NRA is? It is people ( ie voters) its no different than PETA or the Various environmental groups. They are all made up of members. They use member $$$ to push legislation that supports the viewpoints of those members. The NRA isnt the boogie man it simply pushes an agenda set forth by the wishes of your fellow Americans

NRA isn't beholden to its members it's beholden to the gun industry

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They weakened mental health and gun violence prevention legislation. They want to slash the budget for background checks.

They talk about mental health because it doesn’t hurt the nra. Their actions say otherwise

Do some research and you will find that nothing has changed regarding the mentally ill and access to guns, the only change was the prevention of Government Agencies from offering specific information on citizens. This was agreed on by both the GOP, ACLU and lobbyists for Americans with Disabilities.

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Your wrong- and Scotus agrees youre wrong
Btw militia and nat guard are 2 very different things - nat guard is for the putpose of supporting the standing army under the control of the governor of each state.
Militia is a group of citizens willing to defend the rule of law until the govt shows up or defend themselves against the tyranny of govt( the actual founding of this country)

A Republican SCrOTUS came to the wrong conclusion once. Our founding fathers did not want a well-armed citizenry.

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Actually, the NRA you are describing is the NRA of yesteryear. Today's NRA is effectively a lobbying firm for the firearm industry, and where they receive the bulk of their funding.

Dont disagree , but again the gun industry isnt or any industry for that matter isnt promoting carnage.
When there is a 50 car pileup on some colorado highway is the auto industry put under scrutiny? No they push selling cars, and cars kill far more people than guns including suicides
Drivers have to pass a driving test but we all have seen ****ty drivers

What about the drug companies who push drugs and kickbacks to doctors who string our kids out on drugs that alter personality-
Lots of cause and effect at work here- not a simple issue but thats what people are fixated on

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A Republican SCrOTUS came to the wrong conclusion once. Our founding fathers did not want a well-armed citizenry.

The only reason they were fonding fathers was a well armed citizenry
If it wasnt for that they would have been hung in a town square

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Do you think any of that matters to the parents of the kids in Newtown?

Do you think any of that matters to the relatives and friends of the people gunned down in Las Vegas or at the night club in Orlando?

Do you think any of this matters to the families and friends of the kids in Parkland, FL?


The fact remains that we, as a nation, have not found any solution to this uniquely American phenomena. It is a mental health issue. It is a gun availability issue.

We live in a country where you can't buy a drink until you are 21. You have to go through mandatory driver training to get a license. We regulate so many things far more than we regulate the sale, control and movement of guns in this country.

There is nothing in any gun control proposal that I have seen that remotely threatens our rights under the Second Amendment.

It's quite simple to me. We cannot control or regulate the people, in particular, how they think. We are not in the world of Minority Report. We are not in George Orwell's 1984 where the thinking in our minds was under scrutiny.

So if we cannot regulate the people effectively, we must regulate the guns.

No unregistered sales (violations would be a crime resulting in jail terms)

Mandatory training from certified training facilities (no different than a driving school)

100% mandatory background checks

All those slack government agencies not putting info into those FBI and HS databases comes to an end and there are fierce regulations about feeding this national registry. Some stiff rewrite to law and procedures and people held accountable, criminally, for failing to do so.

Tough controls on things like magazines, bump stocks, altering weapons, bullet types, etc.

I dont know about you guys, but my wife was really upset yesterday. I think all this school killing is starting to reach a tilping point, or maybe just in our household. Parents (like my wife) now fearful of sending their kids to school is simply not normal, it's no way to live. These discussions need to be had, and we need to try to do SOMETHING to stop this. Decent people must take a stand.

I think there are too many guns and that they are too available. The next guy thinks differently. We can argue about it, we should debate it, but if people are going to float lies, deceptions and falsehoods, then the debate must end. Discussion is important, but that discussion has to have integrity and sincerity. And both sides must agree that some action (or actions), whether it's actionable measures regardung mental health, or gun control, or f'in moonbeams must be attempted. Sacrifices will have to be made. The medicine may be bitter for some. But we can't stand by and watch our children destroyed like this. We have to reclaim our humanity.

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Dont disagree , but again the gun industry isnt or any industry for that matter isnt promoting carnage.
When there is a 50 car pileup on some colorado highway is the auto industry put under scrutiny? No they push selling cars, and cars kill far more people than guns including suicides
Drivers have to pass a driving test but we all have seen ****ty drivers

What about the drug companies who push drugs and kickbacks to doctors who string our kids out on drugs that alter personality-
Lots of cause and effect at work here- not a simple issue but thats what people are fixated on

Cars and drug companies have nothing to do with the guns the NRA is marketing.

If 17 Ford Pintos blew up next week, you bet your azz that the government would be all about reducing the availability of Ford Pintos or having their design changed so the deaths didn't happen.

It's the guns, stupid.

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A Republican SCrOTUS came to the wrong conclusion once. Our founding fathers did not want a well-armed citizenry.

You mean the founding fathers that just experienced and fought against the tyranny of government, no they couldn't have wanted well-armed citizens. Please.

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NRA isn't beholden to its members it's beholden to the gun industry

Who does the gun industry sell guns to?

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Dont disagree , but again the gun industry isnt or any industry for that matter isnt promoting carnage.
When there is a 50 car pileup on some colorado highway is the auto industry put under scrutiny? No they push selling cars, and cars kill far more people than guns including suicides
Drivers have to pass a driving test but we all have seen ****ty drivers

What about the drug companies who push drugs and kickbacks to doctors who string our kids out on drugs that alter personality-
Lots of cause and effect at work here- not a simple issue but thats what people are fixated on

The cars to gun analogy is super lame, you know that, right?

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Who does the gun industry sell guns to?

NRA nazis who shoot up schoolchildren.

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Cars and drug companies have nothing to do with the guns the NRA is marketing.

If 17 Ford Pintos blew up next week, you bet your azz that the government would be all about reducing the availability of Ford Pintos or having their design changed so the deaths didn't happen.

It's the guns, stupid.

That makes no sense, if guns starting exploding and killing gun owners no one is saying they shouldn't go after the gun manufacturer to fix it.

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Dont disagree , but again the gun industry isnt or any industry for that matter isnt promoting carnage.
When there is a 50 car pileup on some colorado highway is the auto industry put under scrutiny? No they push selling cars, and cars kill far more people than guns including suicides
Drivers have to pass a driving test but we all have seen ****ty drivers

What about the drug companies who push drugs and kickbacks to doctors who string our kids out on drugs that alter personality-
Lots of cause and effect at work here- not a simple issue but thats what people are fixated on

The hell they aren't promoting carnage. Did you see the spike in AR-15 sales after Newtown. The gun whose inventor had said is a weapon of war and had regrets over its invention. The NRA drove that spike with rhetoric that the Dems were going to take them away.

Again with the auto industry comparison. Auto industry has made cars safer over the years with seat belts, crumple zoned, anti lock brakes and air bags, etc.

What has the gun industry done to make guns safer. What's the gun industry's stance on safe guns, armor piercing bullets, or background checks or

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Cars and drug companies have nothing to do with the guns the NRA is marketing.

If 17 Ford Pintos blew up next week, you bet your azz that the government would be all about reducing the availability of Ford Pintos or having their design changed so the deaths didn't happen.

It's the guns, stupid.

The gun didnt shoot itself- no gun does-
I could sit any gun on the table fully loaded with the safety off and nothing would happen
Nothing

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The cars to gun analogy is super lame, you know that, right?

It's in their frikken narrative. Every right wing neo-nazi azzhat defaults to this talking point, that cars are weapons, too, like guns. And, so, if we ban guns, we should ban cars.

Losers.