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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    How silly can you be ?

    An analogy of an investigation of President Trump , Al Capone and John Gotti ?

    " conspiracy " maybe not, but an orchestrated campaign involving many people since Trump was elected to remove a President that legally won election. That is the biggest threat to our Democracy. And they have been getting away with it.

    We shall see.
    Not the poster but you missed his point - those Capone was't busted on murder or similar "mafia" crimes, but seemingly inane tax violations. DT will be similar in terms of his money laundering with Russians, not outright collusion. I totally agree collusion will be difficult to prove but that doesn't mean he may be pushed out.

    I would also argue that the current president is a bigger threat to our democracy by criticizing the free press (just because he doesn't like what they say about him) and trash talking our judicial system and police agencies any time he can. He is undermining it all on his own with a little help from Miller, Bannon et al

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Again it starts out with one thing but leads to another. Apparently you have no idea how investigators and investigation works.
      Al Capone or John Gotti never went to jail over their initial charge but warrants and turncoats when leaned on give you things you had no idea about.

      If the Trump Organization is found to have money laundered millions of dollars with Russia you don’t call “bloody foul” and say that don’t count because that wasent a part of the collusion you were investigating.

      I know how you feel about the whole thing. Republicans feel it’s a conspiracy against Trump and the whole Republican Party brought on by a vindictive Clinton clan BUT get over it, there’s a smoldering fire and all what’s happening is not made up , there’s too many involved.
      Trump is obviously trying to hide something and maybe he’s right in that he didn’t collude but there’s something big otherwise that’s rattling the Shyt outta him.
      If I were a Trump supporter I’d cheer for the good but expect the bad with a bipartisan mind.
      He’s only a man not God he’s gonna make mistakes the country will outlast him and any other president there after, but don’t be stupid in believing everything coming out his mouth.
      You don’t understand the constitution. He can shut this down at any point. He can pardon anyone involved. He knows this and out of any president in history he would this without hesitation. Therefore he clearly is not worried.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        So has DJT.
        How Much ?

        If we add up Bill's , what $ 900,000 check, and all the money Democrat supporters were trying to pay Trump accusers to step forward how much would there be ?

        Collusion, meddling, obstruction, money laundering, he's crazy....no , no , not good enough. Let's drag a couple of hundred dollar bills through a trailer park ( right James ? ) , that will nail Trump. Yeah, and the book, get the book, you'll see.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Don't know what you're talking about. I'm a very middle of the road centrist and I found it very interesting that they think his business dealings are highly questionable. Did you even read the article? Probably not since you responded in two seconds.
          Not the OP....but the point is you need to move beyond two very liberal, and very anti-Trump, to prove your "centrist" view.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            How Much ?

            If we add up Bill's , what $ 900,000 check, and all the money Democrat supporters were trying to pay Trump accusers to step forward how much would there be ?

            Collusion, meddling, obstruction, money laundering, he's crazy....no , no , not good enough. Let's drag a couple of hundred dollar bills through a trailer park ( right James ? ) , that will nail Trump. Yeah, and the book, get the book, you'll see.
            Amazing work by the opposition to demonize such an angel.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Not the poster but you missed his point - those Capone was't busted on murder or similar "mafia" crimes, but seemingly inane tax violations. DT will be similar in terms of his money laundering with Russians, not outright collusion. I totally agree collusion will be difficult to prove but that doesn't mean he may be pushed out.

              I would also argue that the current president is a bigger threat to our democracy by criticizing the free press (just because he doesn't like what they say about him) and trash talking our judicial system and police agencies any time he can. He is undermining it all on his own with a little help from Miller, Bannon et al
              First, collusion is not a crime even if there was some. Second, It’s not a free press when its a business and they target specific markets. Businesses are fair game and he is changing it for the better. Just like any business if you don’t get challenged you wither into irrelevance.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Not the OP....but the point is you need to move beyond two very liberal, and very anti-Trump, to prove your "centrist" view.
                I don't read the NYTimes and listen to NPR in the car commuting because the radio around here sucks. That's something all sides can agree upon :)

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Not the poster but you missed his point - those Capone was't busted on murder or similar "mafia" crimes, but seemingly inane tax violations. DT will be similar in terms of his money laundering with Russians, not outright collusion. I totally agree collusion will be difficult to prove but that doesn't mean he may be pushed out.

                  I would also argue that the current president is a bigger threat to our democracy by criticizing the free press (just because he doesn't like what they say about him) and trash talking our judicial system and police agencies any time he can. He is undermining it all on his own with a little help from Miller, Bannon et al
                  There is no point when raising an analogy between a sociopath murderer , organized crime king pin and Donald Trump. " my goodness"

                  " money laundering " Western Union paid a $ 60 million dollar fine last week in NYC. Money laundering with Chinese. It happens quite a bit. Matter of fact, Obama might have had a hand in some of it relating tot he Iran deal. we'll see,
                  If money laundering is what Mueller comes up with, it may not be much at all. Why ? Because you can't charge the President, and you would have to Impeach him first. it would have to pass the test of " high crimes and misdemeanors" . Money laundering would mean a long court battle as most likely the transactions, details and particulars would be subject to interpretation and application.

                  As far as the comments about the press. Nothing there. he isn't infringing on their rights. He is entitled to his opinion just as they are. As mater of point, it HELPS Democracy , as it is all out in the open. Analysis of the MSM media coverage shows extremely high negativity in reporting on this President, so what's the worry?

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Not the poster but you missed his point - those Capone was't busted on murder or similar "mafia" crimes, but seemingly inane tax violations. DT will be similar in terms of his money laundering with Russians, not outright collusion. I totally agree collusion will be difficult to prove but that doesn't mean he may be pushed out.

                    I would also argue that the current president is a bigger threat to our democracy by criticizing the free press (just because he doesn't like what they say about him) and trash talking our judicial system and police agencies any time he can. He is undermining it all on his own with a little help from Miller, Bannon et al
                    He doesnt criticize all the press just the ones who post biased stories or are constantly negative. He does criticize opinion passed of as journalism which is most of what we get as news today- i would rather just get the facts i can figure it out from there thanks

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                      Blah, blah, blah......
                      Let's rip Trump for this and that. Let's retaliate against those Trump critics by dragging the Clintons through the mud again. Blah, blah, blah........

                      If you believe in the rule of law, then you let Mueller complete the investigation, report the results and make whatever conclusions need to be made then. You don't determine any guilt before then. Holds for Trump and any of his associates, cronies or family. Holds equally true for the Clintons. I'll make my conclusions when these investigations are complete and all the evidence and interviews are public. There may be more evidence than any of us know. Frankly, Trump behaves as though he is guilty. Clintons act the same way. I'm fairly confident there we be plenty of wrongdoing revealed in all these investigations. I would expect the Justice Department to respond accordingly.

                      To my mind, the real travesty being done by the Trump administration is wrapped up in all this nationalistic fervor. He's pulled us out of some important trade deals and because of that, our influence in the global economy has already begun to diminish. Those Germans, Aussies, Brits and yes, even the Russians are more than glad to jump in and fill the role once filled by us. You can see that already in the TPP. Maybe it wasn't the best deal for us, but now, on the outside looking in, there's no deal for us at all. And as the NAFTA issue continues on, we see Mexico looking elsewhere to fill its trade needs. Plenty of countries in South America ready to jump in and work out those trade deals. If you don't think this is a problem, just go ask all those corn farmers in Iowa, Indiana, Illinois and so on about where they think they will be selling their corn over the next couple of years.

                      Lastly, the man simply brings shame about all that it means to be Presidential. This man has no depth in his character, in his thinking and certainly there is no depth in his understanding of what it really means to be the President of the United States. He is driven by his narcissism and his pettiness. How else do you explain the churn that has gone on in the White House staff? All he really has to do to win this battle is to decide be behave as a President does. But that is beyond his ability from all appearances.

                      And as for the media, conservative or liberal, all purported news agencies are businesses. There was a time when these media companies knew the best thing to do with their news divisions was to leave them alone and let them do their job. But, that of course, meant journalism was essentially objective. So long ago......sigh. Time-Warner, ATT, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, Breitbart, Huffington Post, Vox.....doesn't matter. All businesses, all with agendas and all slanting their presentation of the news to fit the bias and preconceptions of those who hold the money. Your only chance here is to follow the news from more than one vantage point and realize that the truth is ever harder to find among any of them.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        He doesnt criticize all the press just the ones who post biased stories or are constantly negative. He does criticize opinion passed of as journalism which is most of what we get as news today- i would rather just get the facts i can figure it out from there thanks
                        He is a thin skinned child. Write or broadcast a story about him and you may get a tweet. The journalists and anchors probably make wagers regarding it they can they get tweet - positive or negative.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I didn't vote for him - not that I loved HRC either but she was far more qualified in terms of experience. But, I was willing to give the guy a chance as I did GWB when his wins were questionable. I disagreed with many of his policies but ok, he's the president. DT? No. Just no. I tried. He's flushing the country down the toilet and just doesn't care. And yes I've benefited from the stock market and will from the tax changes. I'd rather pay what I was before and build our education system back up, improve our infrastructure etc. Those are things that benefit all of us as a nation, not just the wealthy and corporations hoarding more money.


                          Another smart man. I can see the Dem believers want “him”to succeed for the good of the country but the Republicans always want Dem leaders to fail at the cost of the country.

                          Unpatriotic Americans they are.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Blah, blah, blah......
                            Let's rip Trump for this and that. Let's retaliate against those Trump critics by dragging the Clintons through the mud again. Blah, blah, blah........

                            If you believe in the rule of law, then you let Mueller complete the investigation, report the results and make whatever conclusions need to be made then. You don't determine any guilt before then. Holds for Trump and any of his associates, cronies or family. Holds equally true for the Clintons. I'll make my conclusions when these investigations are complete and all the evidence and interviews are public. There may be more evidence than any of us know. Frankly, Trump behaves as though he is guilty. Clintons act the same way. I'm fairly confident there we be plenty of wrongdoing revealed in all these investigations. I would expect the Justice Department to respond accordingly.

                            To my mind, the real travesty being done by the Trump administration is wrapped up in all this nationalistic fervor. He's pulled us out of some important trade deals and because of that, our influence in the global economy has already begun to diminish. Those Germans, Aussies, Brits and yes, even the Russians are more than glad to jump in and fill the role once filled by us. You can see that already in the TPP. Maybe it wasn't the best deal for us, but now, on the outside looking in, there's no deal for us at all. And as the NAFTA issue continues on, we see Mexico looking elsewhere to fill its trade needs. Plenty of countries in South America ready to jump in and work out those trade deals. If you don't think this is a problem, just go ask all those corn farmers in Iowa, Indiana, Illinois and so on about where they think they will be selling their corn over the next couple of years.

                            Lastly, the man simply brings shame about all that it means to be Presidential. This man has no depth in his character, in his thinking and certainly there is no depth in his understanding of what it really means to be the President of the United States. He is driven by his narcissism and his pettiness. How else do you explain the churn that has gone on in the White House staff? All he really has to do to win this battle is to decide be behave as a President does. But that is beyond his ability from all appearances.

                            And as for the media, conservative or liberal, all purported news agencies are businesses. There was a time when these media companies knew the best thing to do with their news divisions was to leave them alone and let them do their job. But, that of course, meant journalism was essentially objective. So long ago......sigh. Time-Warner, ATT, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, Breitbart, Huffington Post, Vox.....doesn't matter. All businesses, all with agendas and all slanting their presentation of the news to fit the bias and preconceptions of those who hold the money. Your only chance here is to follow the news from more than one vantage point and realize that the truth is ever harder to find among any of them.
                            The US carries the big stick with trade. 19 trillion GDP is what he’s leveraging and they will fold. It’s a no brainer.

                            How can you explain the churn? Really , who made the phrase “you’re fired” famous? It’s trump being trump, refreshing to see gonvernment run like a business.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              He is a thin skinned child. Write or broadcast a story about him and you may get a tweet. The journalists and anchors probably make wagers regarding it they can they get tweet - positive or negative.
                              So....why would they do it? Ratings?

                              It's akin to a firefighter being an arsonist.

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                                Has he laid bare an ugly truth that now to win the presidency, a candidate must be a tv - celebrity? Is our future one of Trumps and Oprahs in the white house? Come on voters. Turn off the TV!

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