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Exactly. What is the criteria? OW coaches talk about intensity, attendance, work ethic, attitude, etc., as leadership qualities to earn play time. Then for technical they talk about speed of play, connecting the field, smart play, defending, attacking or pressing as a line, etc.

But who do they play?

The kids messing around instead of warming up. The ones that bully their teammates. The ones that skip practice regularly.

The kid who dribbles into pressure and not out of it. The kid that doesn't pass and is selfish and takes all shots. The kid that doesn't look where they are passing and passes to the other team. The kid that only passes to their friends on the team. The kid that fouls so much in a game it kills all of the offense. Kids that are literally so out of shape they are walking in the game.

So what do you see as the reasons why a person gets play time? The above is what I see.

I think you may be talking about United and the “do nothing wrong in their eyes” players.

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I think you may be talking about United and the “do nothing wrong in their eyes” players.

I think this happens at a lot of the clubs, not just the big 3.

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If a coach and a club talks about "developing" a player. Especially below u15 then there is an expectation of play time to get developed. Where I think most parents get pissed is where OW coaches talk a good game to the parents, talk about developing their players but then only focus and really try to develop 5 or 6 chosen ones.

Just be honest. Tell them in the email after tryouts where they say you were accepted, hey you are accepted but only as a training cone for the chosen 5.

But no. They are deceptive and act like they will train your kid equally until you sign the dotted line and make the first payment.

And by develop the chosen 5 you mean let them play almost every game in it's entirety, get them extra practices and games with other teams, allow them to make the same mistakes over and over again with no fear of consequences (that one is HUGE!) ..... Funny part is with so much extra work and confidence build uos at the expense of the rest of the team so many are nominally better or not better at all If all kids were given the same opportunities, I bet the results and too players down the road would be drastically different much of the time.

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And by develop the chosen 5 you mean let them play almost every game in it's entirety, get them extra practices and games with other teams, allow them to make the same mistakes over and over again with no fear of consequences (that one is HUGE!) ..... Funny part is with so much extra work and confidence build uos at the expense of the rest of the team so many are nominally better or not better at all If all kids were given the same opportunities, I bet the results and too players down the road would be drastically different much of the time.

Ow sucks. Dumbest parents i know

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And by develop the chosen 5 you mean let them play almost every game in it's entirety, get them extra practices and games with other teams, allow them to make the same mistakes over and over again with no fear of consequences (that one is HUGE!) ..... Funny part is with so much extra work and confidence build uos at the expense of the rest of the team so many are nominally better or not better at all If all kids were given the same opportunities, I bet the results and too players down the road would be drastically different much of the time.

You helicopter parents make me laugh. Wake up and realize that no doubt they will favor the top percentage of kids. It's called "potential".... Your kid isn't getting it because you don't see what is needed by a kid. You need to open your eyes on your OWN kid. They are getting exactly what you paid for, nothing more or less. They will give extra time, practices and games to the "potential" kids. You NEED to get over it and stop being jealous.

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You helicopter parents make me laugh. Wake up and realize that no doubt they will favor the top percentage of kids. It's called "potential".... Your kid isn't getting it because you don't see what is needed by a kid. You need to open your eyes on your OWN kid. They are getting exactly what you paid for, nothing more or less. They will give extra time, practices and games to the "potential" kids. You NEED to get over it and stop being jealous.

Is it always potential, or blindness, or pride? If you out a ton of extra effort into a kid that you think is special, you will do whatever it is to get the result you will desire ..... Most especially letting that player(s) play severely hurt the team over and over again under the guise of their development. We have a kid with tremendous technical ability on our team. Doesn't play a lick of defense. Waits and waits until the team gets the ball for her. Dribbles endlessly and slows down the play. Beats 3 or 4 players every touch before giving it away or completing a pass to a teammate that was open and calling for the ball who is now blanketed by 2 defenders. It's great work for our "stud" at the expense of our entire team. I often feel like the other 10 are just a supporting cast to get the ball back for superstar. If anyone else takes more than 2 touches, it's "too many touches". Superstar takes 100 touches dribbling back and forth and finally loses it and then it's, "good idea, unlucky!". What a joke. Coach not doing a service to anyone especially the stud. Said stud should find time in the bench to reflect and do better .... Will never happen and all players I. Tram are further held back.

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Here is the deal.. all parents think they are experts and that there kid has what it takes to play beyond club ( college or beyond). If a kid is not committed by 16 take a hard look parents and accept reality. They really aren’t that great to make it beyond. Most parents have no clue how game of soccer should be played or is played. Over 3/4 or kids stop developing or caring beyond 14. The 1/4 that do have the skill, perseverance and work ethic to move beyond. Parents stop tying to make it happen for your kid.. beating up clubs and coaches will not change your kids trajectory.

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Here is the deal.. all parents think they are experts and that there kid has what it takes to play beyond club ( college or beyond). If a kid is not committed by 16 take a hard look parents and accept reality. They really aren’t that great to make it beyond. Most parents have no clue how game of soccer should be played or is played. Over 3/4 or kids stop developing or caring beyond 14. The 1/4 that do have the skill, perseverance and work ethic to move beyond. Parents stop tying to make it happen for your kid.. beating up clubs and coaches will not change your kids trajectory.

I think your post supports what the others are saying. At u15 and below ALL the kids that make the team should be treated the same and the OW staff should strive to develop them all. 3/4 of the kids stop caring at 14 because they finally had enough of being a training cone for the other 1/4 of the team.

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The notion that most parents don't know the game is also overblown, especially at the DA/GDA level. I agree this was mostly true 20-30 years ago but a larger percentage of parents have now grown up with soccer and many played college level themselves and understand the nuance of the game quite well. To claim a 20-something recent college grad automatically "knows the game" better than a parent that also played college is laughable.

Of course you will still have clueless parents that think they know the game better and will mistakenly and without justification trash their daughter's coach at every opportunity but coaches should be careful not to paint all parents with such a large brush.

In the end, OW parents need to accept that the coach is going to give more opportunities to the kids they think deserve it. I don't think ass-kissing, volunteering, donations, whining or any other strategy will help a kid get more time if it's not deserved in the coaches eye. The coach is going to play the best players he has at u12 and up. More leniency should be applied at U little and maybe this is an area that OW needs to improve upon. At older ages, not all will agree with the coach's judgement but it's then up to your kid to make it obvious that the coach is wrong by consistently performing at a higher level. It's actually good motivation if a parent can help frame it that way instead of blaming the coach.

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The notion that most parents don't know the game is also overblown, especially at the DA/GDA level. I agree this was mostly true 20-30 years ago but a larger percentage of parents have now grown up with soccer and many played college level themselves and understand the nuance of the game quite well. To claim a 20-something recent college grad automatically "knows the game" better than a parent that also played college is laughable.

Of course you will still have clueless parents that think they know the game better and will mistakenly and without justification trash their daughter's coach at every opportunity but coaches should be careful not to paint all parents with such a large brush.

In the end, OW parents need to accept that the coach is going to give more opportunities to the kids they think deserve it. I don't think ass-kissing, volunteering, donations, whining or any other strategy will help a kid get more time if it's not deserved in the coaches eye. The coach is going to play the best players he has at u12 and up. More leniency should be applied at U little and maybe this is an area that OW needs to improve upon. At older ages, not all will agree with the coach's judgement but it's then up to your kid to make it obvious that the coach is wrong by consistently performing at a higher level. It's actually good motivation if a parent can help frame it that way instead of blaming the coach.

I like your post. Being at OW from YTL I can tell you where OW fails big time is at ulittle. They pick about 5 kids give or take and give them way more touches on the ball. I mean a lot more, double the games, double the training sessions, etc. As a parent that tries to be objective I am always scratching my head and saying ok, the 5 are good but no better than 10 other kids on the team. I can see a difference with a couple at the bottom but mainly at the younger ages all of the kids have strengths and weaknesses that need to be developed. There are not 5 mias/messis and 15 rec players. But that is how they treat them.

So OW why do you do this at ulittle?

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I like your post. Being at OW from YTL I can tell you where OW fails big time is at ulittle. They pick about 5 kids give or take and give them way more touches on the ball. I mean a lot more, double the games, double the training sessions, etc. As a parent that tries to be objective I am always scratching my head and saying ok, the 5 are good but no better than 10 other kids on the team. I can see a difference with a couple at the bottom but mainly at the younger ages all of the kids have strengths and weaknesses that need to be developed. There are not 5 mias/messis and 15 rec players. But that is how they treat them.

So OW why do you do this at ulittle?

having kids in the system, this is true.

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I like your post. Being at OW from YTL I can tell you where OW fails big time is at ulittle. They pick about 5 kids give or take and give them way more touches on the ball. I mean a lot more, double the games, double the training sessions, etc. As a parent that tries to be objective I am always scratching my head and saying ok, the 5 are good but no better than 10 other kids on the team. I can see a difference with a couple at the bottom but mainly at the younger ages all of the kids have strengths and weaknesses that need to be developed. There are not 5 mias/messis and 15 rec players. But that is how they treat them.

So OW why do you do this at ulittle?

Ulittle parents are the least knowledgable, easiest to fool

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Thanks CFC! We know how well you develop
Your kids and do not play favorites.

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Thanks CFC! We know how well you develop
Your kids and do not play favorites.

Not from cfc. Agreed they probably do the same. I can't say because my kid doesn't go there.

So again OW coaches, why do you choose 5 at ulittle and ignore everyone else?

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The notion that most parents don't know the game is also overblown, especially at the DA/GDA level. I agree this was mostly true 20-30 years ago but a larger percentage of parents have now grown up with soccer and many played college level themselves and understand the nuance of the game quite well. To claim a 20-something recent college grad automatically "knows the game" better than a parent that also played college is laughable.

Of course you will still have clueless parents that think they know the game better and will mistakenly and without justification trash their daughter's coach at every opportunity but coaches should be careful not to paint all parents with such a large brush.

In the end, OW parents need to accept that the coach is going to give more opportunities to the kids they think deserve it. I don't think ass-kissing, volunteering, donations, whining or any other strategy will help a kid get more time if it's not deserved in the coaches eye. The coach is going to play the best players he has at u12 and up. More leniency should be applied at U little and maybe this is an area that OW needs to improve upon. At older ages, not all will agree with the coach's judgement but it's then up to your kid to make it obvious that the coach is wrong by consistently performing at a higher level. It's actually good motivation if a parent can help frame it that way instead of blaming the coach.

Not ripping you or your post, because I somewhat agree that parents know the game better than 20-30 years ago. But you lose me when you say this... “ many played college level themselves and understand the nuance of the game quite well.” I wholeheartedly disagree that many played college level soccer. How many parents on your kids team played college soccer? Be honest.