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"Chosen few" = my kid isn't playing as much as I think they should be

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This happens EVERYWHERE. CFC, FSA, Beachside etc.

Every coach has chosen players and each have a criteria for it. If you are not a “chosen one” with your coach, nothing you do will change that. Wait out a coaching change or change clubs.

We would love to believe that hard work, showing up, playing well, etc. can change this but it can’t.

Coaches will play the players that will help them WIN. That won't always be the best players (more athletic) or the ones that put in the most effort. Make yourself invaluable to the team and you'll play

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Coaches will play the players that will help them WIN. That won't always be the best players (more athletic) or the ones that put in the most effort. Make yourself invaluable to the team and you'll play

I call BS on that. There are times where a coach plays a kid that doesn’t deserve it.

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I call BS on that. There are times where a coach plays a kid that doesn’t deserve it.

It happens but not nearly as often as you think. If coaches don't win they don't keep their jobs. Also, all kids have parents that are PAYING. That means they should be PLAYING, even if for a short time.

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It happens but not nearly as often as you think. If coaches don't win they don't keep their jobs. Also, all kids have parents that are PAYING. That means they should be PLAYING, even if for a short time.

No. They pay for the training and opportunity to earn PT. What they do with that opportunity is up to them.

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lmao, that is a good one. It is totally for other reasons. Kids that show up to every practice and give 100% effort are not the ones that are rewarded. The parents showing up kissing the coaches ass and making side deals, well now that is another story and one that is nearer to the truth.

So the primary playing time selection should be based solely on attendance and effort? Is that what you are suggesting? How much does technical ability, athleticism, tactical insight and the overall goal of the team factor into any of this?

And you have evidence that playing time is being given based on ass kissing and side deals? Why haven't you been forthcoming with this evidence to your club leadership?

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And what makes them the "chosen few"?

Do you know the criteria the coach uses to put a kid in this group?



No I don't know the criteria and that is the big issue. OW coaches talk a good game and tell the kids it is for work ethic, attitude, intensity etc., but they are full of ****. And the kids are not stupid, they know it.

The OW coaches routinely contradict themselves. Their chosen ones are the middle of the pack when it comes to work ethic, intensity, showing up for practice and having a positive attitude. They can get away with it and they know it so they do.

If you think it is anything else then your head is in the sand and you do not see what is really going on there. The chosen few should be held to a higher standard but they are held to a lower one. And that is the shame of it.

Then why do you tolerate it? Why aren't you holding them to a higher standard?

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So the primary playing time selection should be based solely on attendance and effort? Is that what you are suggesting? How much does technical ability, athleticism, tactical insight and the overall goal of the team factor into any of this?

And you have evidence that playing time is being given based on ass kissing and side deals? Why haven't you been forthcoming with this evidence to your club leadership?

Your assuming leadership cares. Usually the “leadership“ is getting something in return for the playing time...

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Wow, you must of headed the ball way too many times. The kid isn't the one getting paid. It is the coach getting paid and they are the one doing a piss-poor job.

They’re doing a piss poor job bc your kid is lousy and your genes contributed to that? Interesting.

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The Logical Voice

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I call BS on that. There are times where a coach plays a kid that doesn’t deserve it.

Who decides that criteria that equates to "deserve it"?

What is that criteria?

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Who decides that criteria that equates to "deserve it"?

What is that criteria?

How about PERFORMANCE

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The Logical Voice

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No. They pay for the training and opportunity to earn PT. What they do with that opportunity is up to them.

A more grounded perspective....

The question is how to define it....

Is it pay to participate? That makes your statement above spot on. They get to participate, but what level and how impactful that participation becomes is based on the individual player. Gives ownership where it belongs, with the player.

Or, is it pay to play? That makes it more a requirement on the coach that there is some equitable distribution of playing time. Which brings us back to the criteria the club establishes. What are the club's values? What is their general vision and method to facilitate individual player growth? How does that fit against the criteria people have about team performance? How important is the winning and losing in the balance of things?

My own view is at the club level, outside issues of injury or discipline, coaches are obligated to manage playing time to ensure growth opportunity for each player on the roster. More in the pay to play thinking.

But when this paying requirement shows up in school athletics, it's far more a pay to participate mentality and there is no real guarantor of playing time that comes along with the choice to participate.

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The Logical Voice

Your assuming leadership cares. Usually the “leadership“ is getting something in return for the playing time...

Again, why would you tolerate that?

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Who decides that criteria that equates to "deserve it"?

What is that criteria?

Exactly. What is the criteria? OW coaches talk about intensity, attendance, work ethic, attitude, etc., as leadership qualities to earn play time. Then for technical they talk about speed of play, connecting the field, smart play, defending, attacking or pressing as a line, etc.

But who do they play?

The kids messing around instead of warming up. The ones that bully their teammates. The ones that skip practice regularly.

The kid who dribbles into pressure and not out of it. The kid that doesn't pass and is selfish and takes all shots. The kid that doesn't look where they are passing and passes to the other team. The kid that only passes to their friends on the team. The kid that fouls so much in a game it kills all of the offense. Kids that are literally so out of shape they are walking in the game.

So what do you see as the reasons why a person gets play time? The above is what I see.

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A more grounded perspective....

The question is how to define it....

Is it pay to participate? That makes your statement above spot on. They get to participate, but what level and how impactful that participation becomes is based on the individual player. Gives ownership where it belongs, with the player.

Or, is it pay to play? That makes it more a requirement on the coach that there is some equitable distribution of playing time. Which brings us back to the criteria the club establishes. What are the club's values? What is their general vision and method to facilitate individual player growth? How does that fit against the criteria people have about team performance? How important is the winning and losing in the balance of things?

My own view is at the club level, outside issues of injury or discipline, coaches are obligated to manage playing time to ensure growth opportunity for each player on the roster. More in the pay to play thinking.

But when this paying requirement shows up in school athletics, it's far more a pay to participate mentality and there is no real guarantor of playing time that comes along with the choice to participate.

If a coach and a club talks about "developing" a player. Especially below u15 then there is an expectation of play time to get developed. Where I think most parents get pissed is where OW coaches talk a good game to the parents, talk about developing their players but then only focus and really try to develop 5 or 6 chosen ones.

Just be honest. Tell them in the email after tryouts where they say you were accepted, hey you are accepted but only as a training cone for the chosen 5.

But no. They are deceptive and act like they will train your kid equally until you sign the dotted line and make the first payment.