Oakwood

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Since you are with NYCFC, how do you explain so many 2006s on the 2005/U14s roster?

By u15, a gda club can lose players that see the writing on the wall and don't want to get cut at u16. That is fine but you need to have a big enough roster for the u15 year. Nycfc may not struggle with this but other gda clubs may well.

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Since you are with NYCFC, how do you explain so many 2006s on the 2005/U14s roster?

The World Class FC 05 ECNL team is doing very well and only a few non starters wanted to leave to play academy. Most of the WC starters come from the High School that just won HS finals last year and they all want to play HS ball next year. NYCFC was forced to take any player who came to tryouts. Most were 06's and there is only one goalie on the team. If she gets hurt, they are SCREWED

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The World Class FC 05 ECNL team is doing very well and only a few non starters wanted to leave to play academy. Most of the WC starters come from the High School that just won HS finals last year and they all want to play HS ball next year. NYCFC was forced to take any player who came to tryouts. Most were 06's and there is only one goalie on the team. If she gets hurt, they are SCREWED

So this is another blow to NE GDA as previously mentioned.

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So this is another blow to NE GDA as previously mentioned.

It's a business. They will get the players that want to participate. Some will be stong and some will be weaker like every other league. The value in youth soccer is players that are willing and able with access to enough money to oay, not necessarily particularly talented. That was always the case actually, there is just a lot more product out there so more players can buy in.

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It's a business. They will get the players that want to participate. Some will be stong and some will be weaker like every other league. The value in youth soccer is players that are willing and able with access to enough money to oay, not necessarily particularly talented. That was always the case actually, there is just a lot more product out there so more players can buy in.

We know its a business. So is their competitor ECNL and ECNL is overwhelmingly winning in the NE.

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We know its a business. So is their competitor ECNL and ECNL is overwhelmingly winning in the NE.

you "win" by catering to parents. What does that have to do with improving kids at soccer? To say who "won" you need to look at this over a longer period.

I know my daughter benefited greatly by playing her final years in the GDA as opposed to the ECNL.

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you "win" by catering to parents. What does that have to do with improving kids at soccer? To say who "won" you need to look at this over a longer period.

I know my daughter benefited greatly by playing her final years in the GDA as opposed to the ECNL.

You mean her final year? Because you know you only have one year of evidence so far correct?

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you "win" by catering to parents. What does that have to do with improving kids at soccer? To say who "won" you need to look at this over a longer period.

I know my daughter benefited greatly by playing her final years in the GDA as opposed to the ECNL.

Winning in youth soccer is staying in business.

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you "win" by catering to parents. What does that have to do with improving kids at soccer? To say who "won" you need to look at this over a longer period.

I know my daughter benefited greatly by playing her final years in the GDA as opposed to the ECNL.

You have to cater to parents if you are charging them an arm and a leg to play. Want to stop pandering, then make it free! People will come out by the boatload ...... can't do it on the boys side, so now you just have to figure out how to squeeze some more cash from somewhere it doesn't exist so that you can fund the girls side ...... oh, i know ..... let the clubs do it. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck ......

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The World Class FC 05 ECNL team is doing very well and only a few non starters wanted to leave to play academy. Most of the WC starters come from the High School that just won HS finals last year and they all want to play HS ball next year. NYCFC was forced to take any player who came to tryouts. Most were 06's and there is only one goalie on the team. If she gets hurt, they are SCREWED

Yeah, WC as a whole did great last year, 2nd to last in ECNL. Katz was asked to not poach the 05/06 girls, it was an agreed upon issue, otherwise WC would be the very bottom of the barrel in ECNL. I love these WC ECNL parents who are desperate to justify their choices, you are a loser, and so is WCFC.

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You have to cater to parents if you are charging them an arm and a leg to play. Want to stop pandering, then make it free! People will come out by the boatload ...... can't do it on the boys side, so now you just have to figure out how to squeeze some more cash from somewhere it doesn't exist so that you can fund the girls side ...... oh, i know ..... let the clubs do it. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck ......

the point is what does any of that have to do with developing better players? You dont have to cater to parents if you are actually helping kids who are serious about getting better, do so. That is why there are many people making a solid living doing private training.

The problem is, once you try and leverage that into a big Club, you need numbers. Once you add numbers, you need to cater to the lowest common denominator. The quality suffers to ensure profitability because the vast majority of parents have no clue how to measure individual progress.

making it free does not work because no one has any incentive to do it. No one benefits financially from developing better players so as parents, you are hostage to the system unless you know enough to use the system for your childs benefit. very few parents are.

They look at wins and losses and other peoples commitments to measure Clubs. Two of the most useless metrics out there unless placed in true context.

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the point is what does any of that have to do with developing better players? You dont have to cater to parents if you are actually helping kids who are serious about getting better, do so. That is why there are many people making a solid living doing private training.

The problem is, once you try and leverage that into a big Club, you need numbers. Once you add numbers, you need to cater to the lowest common denominator. The quality suffers to ensure profitability because the vast majority of parents have no clue how to measure individual progress.

making it free does not work because no one has any incentive to do it. No one benefits financially from developing better players so as parents, you are hostage to the system unless you know enough to use the system for your childs benefit. very few parents are.

They look at wins and losses and other peoples commitments to measure Clubs. Two of the most useless metrics out there unless placed in true context.

They have no incentive to do it because there is no financial value to having highly developed soccer talent outside of getting college money or getting help with admittances to highly selective colleges. Those sre valuable but have their own costs along with the benefits.

The value for most is in pursuing and devleoping your talent and competing successfully. That is tremendously personally satisfying but has limited financial value. And it us very expensive to pursue that path so the players that can afford to maximize their talent and the players that have great talent to maximize are not necessarily the same.

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the point is what does any of that have to do with developing better players? You dont have to cater to parents if you are actually helping kids who are serious about getting better, do so. That is why there are many people making a solid living doing private training.

The problem is, once you try and leverage that into a big Club, you need numbers. Once you add numbers, you need to cater to the lowest common denominator. The quality suffers to ensure profitability because the vast majority of parents have no clue how to measure individual progress.

making it free does not work because no one has any incentive to do it. No one benefits financially from developing better players so as parents, you are hostage to the system unless you know enough to use the system for your childs benefit. very few parents are.

They look at wins and losses and other peoples commitments to measure Clubs. Two of the most useless metrics out there unless placed in true context.

This is the point ..... GDA can't work as there is no one to fund it and you have just duplicated the pay-to-play league and made both weaker! It was a poorly thought out venture in the first place and few will be sorry once it is gone.

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This is the point ..... GDA can't work as there is no one to fund it and you have just duplicated the pay-to-play league and made both weaker! It was a poorly thought out venture in the first place and few will be sorry once it is gone.

Much of how this is playing out was predicted. No one is shocked by it really except the GDA disciples.

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Listen, much of what you said may be correct, BUT, much like Nike, they dont care what you think or say. I don't have a dog in this fight, I just study the systems and its already done.

The DA system is the system supported by US Soccer. ECNL is no different than CJSA to them.

You think when Nike first started making cleats they were the best? No, are they now, no, are they the largest seller of cleats on the planet, yes. Same for VW, crummly little brand back in the sixties..... now it owns Porsche and VW, I thnk it may be the largest manufacturer of cars period. Dont really care, but you get the point.

Dont try and be a smart person unless you look forward. If you look at the now, or look back, you are a fool.

US Soccer has spoken and what can the other competing brands say? they have to reinvest and become an even better and boutique like niche, (like Nike, yu cant compete with them pound for pound, you cant) where people go for a certain theing.

The current ECNL teams are established and will remain dominant, ok, stop yelling about it, everyone sees it and hears it, everyone knows. Its the U13 and under where the battlefield will be held, and DA will win over time. It only takes a few highly publicized MLS placements in the next few years and all bets are off. As it has been said before, do you really think MLS clubs cant be influenced to grab DA kids, you are delusional and are a believer of a meritocracy? They (MLS Clubs) currently have to field free boys academy teams, the DA (US Soccer) can have them do what ever they want. Its true, don't try to fight it.

It already happened and you don't even know it. If your kid is in ECNL right now, great for them, thats awesome, but lets come back and talk about the 2010's in 6 years.

Much of how this is playing out was predicted. No one is shocked by it really except the GDA disciples.