Coach retention at SU

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Biggest loss to girls soccer is the loss of Kyle?

https://public.totalglobalsports.com...al-club/1643/9

Highest place is 3rd and that team is 2-5-1

Awful

OK this whole conversation about proving 12 year olds being better or not so a coach is better or not because of league games is just f'ing dumb. It doesn't prove or disprove anything. Both sides of this are so ridiculous it is not worth a 16 page explanation of why comparing game scores is not the right way to judge a coach, club, team or kids. Maybe at the pros, but not at youth. The person defending Kyle may be a supportive parent or may be Kyle himself, either way you are an idiot to try to throw wins and losses of 12 years out as a trophy of achievements for a coach. It quite literally is what makes soccer in the US horrible. Those that are trying to throw Kyle under the bus are obviously parents that had a bad time on his team. Kyle may have cut their precious kid or benched them or maybe he is a complete a hole and the worst coach in the world. Or maybe he is the best coach in the world and just wronged one parent. For the rest of us my personal opinion is treat these posts like Amazon reviews. Try to look for repeating patterns of pros or cons of a club or coach while understanding that once you find a pattern of positive or pattern of negative it is probably still 50% accurate.

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Coach retention has been an issue. On the boys side, that starts and ends with Kyle.

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“brings a hole the coach is trying to fill”

What?

Maybe I do have unrealistic expectations. Thats why we left. But dont believe this crap about SU coaches developing players.

Sorry, I meant "fills a hole" not "brings a hole" I typed to fast an own the grammar mistake.

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OK this whole conversation about proving 12 year olds being better or not so a coach is better or not because of league games is just f'ing dumb. It doesn't prove or disprove anything. Both sides of this are so ridiculous it is not worth a 16 page explanation of why comparing game scores is not the right way to judge a coach, club, team or kids. Maybe at the pros, but not at youth. The person defending Kyle may be a supportive parent or may be Kyle himself, either way you are an idiot to try to throw wins and losses of 12 years out as a trophy of achievements for a coach. It quite literally is what makes soccer in the US horrible. Those that are trying to throw Kyle under the bus are obviously parents that had a bad time on his team. Kyle may have cut their precious kid or benched them or maybe he is a complete a hole and the worst coach in the world. Or maybe he is the best coach in the world and just wronged one parent. For the rest of us my personal opinion is treat these posts like Amazon reviews. Try to look for repeating patterns of pros or cons of a club or coach while understanding that once you find a pattern of positive or pattern of negative it is probably still 50% accurate.

+1 Agree

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“brings a hole the coach is trying to fill”

What?

Maybe I do have unrealistic expectations. Thats why we left. But dont believe this crap about SU coaches developing players.

In my opinion, it's not unrealistic to expect A. Development and B. Clear, respectful communication from the club about where your kid stands. You will be much happier you left

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Idiot. Show us the 2009 boys team he coaches that plays in a 2008 division.

You just proved my point. No where on the string was there a statement of what team it was. You assumed it was a boys team. Do your validation before having diarrhea of the mouth.

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In my opinion, it's not unrealistic to expect A. Development and B. Clear, respectful communication from the club about where your kid stands. You will be much happier you left

You make a good point. "Clear, respectful communication from the club about where your kid stands." I find this extremely difficult for coaches across the board, and not something the clubs care about training. Many clubs don't have "how to respectfully cut kids at tryouts training" They just leave it up to the coach. Most coaches probably haven't read Emotional Intelligence 2.0 and are just bad at it. It's similar to veterinarians. they love working with animals and are not trained on the people side. Even though 60% of their job is to run a business and deal with people. Soccer coaches probably love soccer and are trying to do the best they can but are terrible at the how to deal with kids side of it.

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You just proved my point. No where on the string was there a statement of what team it was. You assumed it was a boys team. Do your validation before having diarrhea of the mouth.

You proved I was naive in thinking the boys director would coach a boys team. You could have easily just pointed me in the right direction but didnt. Good on you.

Kyle is disingenuous, has created a revolving door in the SU coaching ranks and is not doing anything to improve soccer at SU.

Oh, I forgot, to fill his ego there was the Jimmy and Kyle show on Youtube. Bravo.

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You make a good point. "Clear, respectful communication from the club about where your kid stands." I find this extremely difficult for coaches across the board, and not something the clubs care about training. Many clubs don't have "how to respectfully cut kids at tryouts training" They just leave it up to the coach. Most coaches probably haven't read Emotional Intelligence 2.0 and are just bad at it. It's similar to veterinarians. they love working with animals and are not trained on the people side. Even though 60% of their job is to run a business and deal with people. Soccer coaches probably love soccer and are trying to do the best they can but are terrible at the how to deal with kids side of it.

Truth. I don't care if you have an A license if you can't talk to kids on their level or expect U9s to behave like college players or pros. I can tell that many coaches love soccer but often have zero training on kids or behavior.

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This thread is getting out of hand. Too many parents looking at wins/losses to decide if a youth coach is good at their job. The coach’s job is to make players better, no? I can’t look at a league website and tell if a coach is doing a good job with all players on the team or not. Can you? Why are you all so fixated on league W/D/L records? There is a lot of unjustified arrogance at SU and almost all of it is a reflection of those in charge like Kyle and Jimmy. There are terrible A license coaches and fantastic unlicensed coaches. But you should judge them for the positive improvement they produce for every player in their charge. By that standard, I suspect the conversation would be different, enlightening and likely worse for Kyle.

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This thread is getting out of hand. Too many parents looking at wins/losses to decide if a youth coach is good at their job. The coach’s job is to make players better, no? I can’t look at a league website and tell if a coach is doing a good job with all players on the team or not. Can you? Why are you all so fixated on league W/D/L records? There is a lot of unjustified arrogance at SU and almost all of it is a reflection of those in charge like Kyle and Jimmy. There are terrible A license coaches and fantastic unlicensed coaches. But you should judge them for the positive improvement they produce for every player in their charge. By that standard, I suspect the conversation would be different, enlightening and likely worse for Kyle.

Points well stated. It really isn't about winning, as much of a cliche as that is. It is about making the best player out of each kid, at least at the higher levels. I don't see much of the older kid games, but I witness lots of the younger teams (like 13 and lower) playing very direct soccer instead of building a play. It does work but it doesn't make them the best players possible.

Soccer might be very different from youth american football and basketball, in that training that maximizes the best development doesn't help you win at the youth level. Honestly learning possession and playing out from the back will certainly lead to more loses at the youth level. I don't believe american football and basketball has this unique situation.

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Points well stated. It really isn't about winning, as much of a cliche as that is. It is about making the best player out of each kid, at least at the higher levels. I don't see much of the older kid games, but I witness lots of the younger teams (like 13 and lower) playing very direct soccer instead of building a play. It does work but it doesn't make them the best players possible.

Honestly learning possession and playing out from the back will certainly lead to more loses at the youth level.

My ulittle's team got stomped the first year because the coach emphasized this over easy wins. Not going to lie, it was not easy on the kids. Next year, new coach, but new coach didn't give up. They got moved down a division but this year it came together. Their last few games really emphasized this and how far they've come. They only lost 1 game this year, against a team who brought in a kid who I'm not sure wasn't an older sibling using their player card (no kidding). Their ringer scored some goals because of their size and direct style of play, but our team really worked the ball. They are moving back up a division next year, and they've earned it. They will be dangerous in a couple of years, and I'm really glad the coach stuck with it.

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My ulittle's team got stomped the first year because the coach emphasized this over easy wins. Not going to lie, it was not easy on the kids. Next year, new coach, but new coach didn't give up. They got moved down a division but this year it came together. Their last few games really emphasized this and how far they've come. They only lost 1 game this year, against a team who brought in a kid who I'm not sure wasn't an older sibling using their player card (no kidding). Their ringer scored some goals because of their size and direct style of play, but our team really worked the ball. They are moving back up a division next year, and they've earned it. They will be dangerous in a couple of years, and I'm really glad the coach stuck with it.

Great example. It always amazes me that clubs don't get this. And why I blame clubs and not coaches, is the club leadership supposedly sees the teams, scores, kids, etc. for many years at all age groups and genders. Coaches come and go and may only have a couple years of a data sample and may not be aware of the progression of youth. The clubs should have a solid data point that winning at the young ages is meaningless and the teams that focus on technical touch and possession oriented soccer come out on top later.

And playing out of the back is not actually a possession game so kickball clubs should be able to adopt it easily with a few changes. Playing out of the back can still be get forward attacking tactics, give and gos, through ball soccer that starts with playing out of the back, and attempts to play on the ground to feet but always forward. It doesn't take much brilliance to adopt playing out of the back, but that would be a good starting point for all clubs to figure out. True possession and the philosophy of possession is a discussion for a different post. The word possession soccer is thrown around to much. Pac is a great example of a structured get forward play system that starts in the back but is not possession.

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We left SU after tryouts. Tired of our child being strung along only to have the coach bring in players from outside the club.

This happened to us at one of the other big clubs. I think it's common practice at most clubs. Stinks but, don't take it personally.

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This happened to us at one of the other big clubs. I think it's common practice at most clubs. Stinks but, don't take it personally.

I agree. XF seems to be the one that is most likely to promote from within rather than go with new and shiny from the outside.