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    After a few years of all or nearly all the top players in the state playing hs soccer, it seems there is a bit of swing back in the other direction with some of the top younger hs aged players in the area choosing to pass on the hs season. Not sure if it is just XF coaches encouraging players not to play hs, some of the YNT coaches holding that view (even though almost all the YNT players play hs), or parents or kids getting it in their heads that there will somehow be some disadvantage to them in recruiting or in their role on their club team if they play hs.

    Having been through the DA era when a lot of the top players weren’t allowed to play hs, having seen top level players play through hs and get a lot out of it, having seen a lot of players who thought and hoped they’d be big time college stars later find out that club and hs were the pinnacle of their soccer careers, and having seen XF pull out of DA supposedly because their players wanted to play hs only to a few years later again discourage playing hs, this doesn’t make much sense to me.

    So long as you’re in a solid program in a competitive conference like Metro or KingCo, the positives of playing hs are all pretty significant — depending on age, you’re either playing up against older players or leading younger ones, which is good preparation for college and life generally; in those conferences all the top teams are mostly made up of ECNL or GA players across various age group and play good, competitive soccer; you get to learn from a different group of coaches and teammates; you get to be part of the school community and play in games with sometimes hundreds of people cheering you on; there’s a lot of joy — and development opportunity — in dominating a game and trying new things or playing a different posit-in in a way you can’t in a typical ECNL game. There aren’t club games or regular trainings going on so you aren’t missing out on anything by playing hs, and if you really want to train with boys or get in some technical training for a day or two each week the hs rules allow you to do that too. There aren’t any showcases or ID camps during hs season, and if you are one of the handful of players who need to miss some hs games for a YNT camp or something everyone will understand. No college coach will ever fault you for having played hs— and almost all will ask about hs play during recruiting.

    It’s also the case they almost all of the very top players in the country— including recent generational talents like Alyssa Thompson and a Sophia Smith and Mallory Pugh—have still played at least their first couple years of high school and spoken positively of their experiences. I’m curious what whoever is coming up with the idea that these local kids are better off without hs play is thinking, and why some kids and families seem to be listening to them.

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    The lack of quality coaching at the hs's has a lot of club coaches encouraging their players to not play hs so they don't have to unteach bad habits learned at hs.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Guest View Post
      The lack of quality coaching at the hs's has a lot of club coaches encouraging their players to not play hs so they don't have to unteach bad habits learned at hs.
      That sounds more about control and ego than reality. Plenty of decent hs coaches out there (and some very good ones), including a number who use their top players as a resource to make up for what they don’t know. Club teams can be a bit disjointed for the first few weeks after getting back together after hs season but that resolves pretty quickly and seems like a small trade off for all the positives.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Guest View Post
        After a few years of all or nearly all the top players in the state playing hs soccer, it seems there is a bit of swing back in the other direction with some of the top younger hs aged players in the area choosing to pass on the hs season. Not sure if it is just XF coaches encouraging players not to play hs, some of the YNT coaches holding that view (even though almost all the YNT players play hs), or parents or kids getting it in their heads that there will somehow be some disadvantage to them in recruiting or in their role on their club team if they play hs.

        Having been through the DA era when a lot of the top players weren’t allowed to play hs, having seen top level players play through hs and get a lot out of it, having seen a lot of players who thought and hoped they’d be big time college stars later find out that club and hs were the pinnacle of their soccer careers, and having seen XF pull out of DA supposedly because their players wanted to play hs only to a few years later again discourage playing hs, this doesn’t make much sense to me.

        So long as you’re in a solid program in a competitive conference like Metro or KingCo, the positives of playing hs are all pretty significant — depending on age, you’re either playing up against older players or leading younger ones, which is good preparation for college and life generally; in those conferences all the top teams are mostly made up of ECNL or GA players across various age group and play good, competitive soccer; you get to learn from a different group of coaches and teammates; you get to be part of the school community and play in games with sometimes hundreds of people cheering you on; there’s a lot of joy — and development opportunity — in dominating a game and trying new things or playing a different posit-in in a way you can’t in a typical ECNL game. There aren’t club games or regular trainings going on so you aren’t missing out on anything by playing hs, and if you really want to train with boys or get in some technical training for a day or two each week the hs rules allow you to do that too. There aren’t any showcases or ID camps during hs season, and if you are one of the handful of players who need to miss some hs games for a YNT camp or something everyone will understand. No college coach will ever fault you for having played hs— and almost all will ask about hs play during recruiting.

        It’s also the case they almost all of the very top players in the country— including recent generational talents like Alyssa Thompson and a Sophia Smith and Mallory Pugh—have still played at least their first couple years of high school and spoken positively of their experiences. I’m curious what whoever is coming up with the idea that these local kids are better off without hs play is thinking, and why some kids and families seem to be listening to them.
        Blah blah blah blah. Useless rant. Nobody cares

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          #5
          Originally posted by Guest View Post

          Blah blah blah blah. Useless rant. Nobody cares
          Right, we need another thread about the toxicity/awesomeness of XF, valor, eagleclaw, or u10 boys.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Guest View Post

            Right, we need another thread about the toxicity/awesomeness of XF, valor, eagleclaw, or u10 boys.
            You obviously don’t know the whole existence of this blog

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              #7
              My kid love playing in high and having her friends come and watch. Not many of her high school ever came to a club game.

              playing in high school and get the love from your friends in school. There is no club year book or union down the road.

              year the high school coach may suck, but the club coaching is really not that impressive. What the club has is more quality players.

              again, play in high school and get your love from your friends.

              jmo.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Guest View Post
                The lack of quality coaching at the hs's has a lot of club coaches encouraging their players to not play hs so they don't have to unteach bad habits learned at hs.

                One of the bigger issues in high school soccer is that a lot of coaches just don't understand their players. If you are a high-school coach with a roster comprised almost exclusively of year-round, club players who are coming off a summer of training and tournaments, there is no reason to run them into the ground with fitness work before their high-school matches start. But I've seen a lot of high-school coaches do that and wear out their team for no good reason.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Guest View Post


                  One of the bigger issues in high school soccer is that a lot of coaches just don't understand their players. If you are a high-school coach with a roster comprised almost exclusively of year-round, club players who are coming off a summer of training and tournaments, there is no reason to run them into the ground with fitness work before their high-school matches start. But I've seen a lot of high-school coaches do that and wear out their team for no good reason.
                  Truth! Just check out Twitter. It’s filled with “pre season” conditioning with pictures of year round players who are currently playing in tournaments and attending trainings with their club team

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Guest View Post

                    Truth! Just check out Twitter. It’s filled with “pre season” conditioning with pictures of year round players who are currently playing in tournaments and attending trainings with their club team
                    Agreed. I am a fan of maintenance conditioning in general and starting to focus on strength training to combat muscle weakness and prevent injuries. But most of the high schools are just needlessly and repetitively running lines and laps several times a week - and most of these kids are training and playing games 3-5 days a week and some even doing private training outside of that. It discourages players from even wanting to go to those voluntary extra trainings which is the opposite of what is intended. More small sided games would be way more effective and allow players from different clubs to gel before the season gets started.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Guest View Post

                      Agreed. I am a fan of maintenance conditioning in general and starting to focus on strength training to combat muscle weakness and prevent injuries. But most of the high schools are just needlessly and repetitively running lines and laps several times a week - and most of these kids are training and playing games 3-5 days a week and some even doing private training outside of that. It discourages players from even wanting to go to those voluntary extra trainings which is the opposite of what is intended. More small sided games would be way more effective and allow players from different clubs to gel before the season gets started.
                      Last week of high school soccer before heading back to club for the older age groups. The teams that will face off at Sparks in Puyallup on Fri/Sat— Skyline, Issaquah, Gonzaga Prep and Woodinville in 4A, Roosevelt, Lincoln, Lakeside, Shorecrest in 3A — are loaded with top level ECNL and GA players (including kids committed to schools like Alabama, UW, Michigan State, Portland, UW, USC and Stanford). Doubtful that any of these kids, or the players on the other good teams their teams knocked out along the way, regret for a moment the decision to play hs soccer instead of just training with their clubs or trainers for the past couple months. The chance to play with different coaches, in mixed age groups, with kids from other clubs, and in front of relatively big crowds is something you don’t get in club, and I think kids are better off now than in the few years of DA when most of the top players weren’t playing hs.

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                        #12
                        So many great things about the HS soccer experience. As a new HS parent, I am totally freaked by the number of ACL injuries I have seen or heard about this fall. One metro game I saw 2 girls with knee injuries (same team) in the last 10 minutes of the game. Feels like way higher incidence than club/ecnl. Really sad for those kids.

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                          #13
                          To respond to the comment about club coaches not wanting their players to play hs. It's not as isolated as you think. Hs coaches tend to play more mind games with the girls and destroy their confidence. They also run the players into the ground with not balancing the training plans. We experienced a hs coach that makes a habit of recruiting for the club they coach at and pressures that come along with it.

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                            #14
                            My daughter has a great HS team and coach that we enjoy. Its been a very good experience and she looking forward to playing HS next season. Her teammates all play club which helps and great school spirit you don’t have at club. Understand why some don’t play due to risk of injury which I’ve seen happen too much at the HS level. Most refs are good but a few have a lot of opportunity for improvement…

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                              #15
                              my kids really enjoy playing high school, it's low stress compared to club for them. A lot ECNL kids don't play to avoid injury, there are way more injuries in HS. A HS senior girl with a grudge can brutally foul a player taking them out of the game and maybe get a yellow. Had 1 ACL tear on our girls varsity. Our high school coaches are both ex football guys, they both got hired by titans, one is an EA coach. Nice enough guys, but they aren't very good coaches. One has seen to may disney movies and is always making inspiring speeches, the other thinks telling his team they suck, and he knows they are going to lose before a game (won 1 game in 2 years) will motivate the players to prove him wrong, guess he hasn't spent much time with females as that is not going to motivate them. Ttians must be desperate and now they are trying to recruit players, just got the first e-mail from them about surf and the great opportunity to be seen by college coaches . . .

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