College outcomes

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Wow Title IX Ted, you really burned him with that. Did you learn to be cleaver in the joint?

Cleaver? What is that, is that like being the little spoon?

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Cleaver? What is that, is that like being the little spoon?

In a way, yes. When two men are spooning and, well, you can imagine the rest. It is beautiful.

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Ecnl is currently doing the best at giving the buyers what they want - D1 college soccer. Academy does it best on the boys side. It’s a business. As far as Title ix, plenty of full ride scholarships for athletic boys in football & basketball. Title ix doesn’t say each sport has to have the same number for both genders. Boys who want sports scholarships, usually go to the sports that have them more readily available for boys.

Exactly. Title 9 Ted is off on his own tangent again. Club sports are a grift for everyone but it’s completely optional and no one is forcing anyone. The wealthy seem to enjoy country clubs over the Y and Ecnl over OYSA, despite the higher costs. People will spend their money as they see fit. As far as college outcomes go, it’s a fact that Ecnl is top dog right now (even in lowly Oregon) and probably for the next several years. After that, who knows. Top dog but certainly not required. Congratulations to all the girls and boys going off to play collegiate sports at any level for any sport.

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Travel dollars fuel the side hustle you describe. It's the ecosystem of a thankful grifter, if you are travelling to play the 'best' (wink.wink.nudge.nudge) then you better train like the best with for $75 an hour with me. This business plan is just another unintended consequence of title ix.

Few if any boys private train with these clowns in the local after age 14-15, mostly because the 15 year is better than the trainer and seriously what's the point. I can do this all on my own and don't need you babysitting me like you did when my parents paid for me as a gleeful 11 year old.

Talent, work ethic & ambition will always blaze it's own path or way.

PT Barnum is the icon that started all of this. Title IX gets way too much credit.

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You miss the point of the grift, though.

Travel dollars mainly go to the travel and hospitality industry--hotels, airlines, Hertz, chain restaurants in remote cities, etc.--not to clubs or leagues. (Although some shrewd coaches, like the girls coach at Jesuit who runs a travel agency on the side, have figured out how to cash in, and who knows what sort of corruption and kickbacks are involved in "stay and play" tournaments).

The big money, for the enterprising soccer bum, is in private training. If you can get eighteen rich kids on the team, each with a tiger mom/dad who thinks that with enough extra instruction Their Snowflake will be the one, than you're set! Bid them against each other. "Only three hours this week? Susie did five". Suggest that they're not "working hard enough". In the business, the rich parents who will spend $$$$$ for private lessons, to say nothing of things like TOVO training or Taihuichi Academy (I can think of quite a few kids I know of who go overseas to train--not pro academies who have signed them, but pay-to-play outfits that charge big money to pretend as though the kids in their program are all the next Messi) are known as "whales". And if you're a full-time coach, you ain't making any money off your share of club dues, it's the extras that allow one to have a decent income from youth soccer.

Travel DOES have the advantage of discouraging poors from joining the roster; kids who may eat and breathe soccer, but whose families can't afford private tutoring.

Title IX does distort the market somewhat on the girls' side, but whale hunting is equally prevalent on the boys side. The worst offenders can generally be identified as those clubs or coaches who routinely poor-mouth professional academies, and suggest that they, soccer bums holding training sessions in a public park, can do as well.

Rubin, the subject of another thread, spent several years at IMG Academy, which at the time was the top training facility in the US; Westside doesn't get all the credit for his development. In the past, when the path was club/HS -> college -> pros, local youth clubs were generally the drivers of high-level training (most HS soccer programs being rec-focused and with dinosaur coaches). But today, the pathway to the pros, and even to college for top players, frequently involves stops in pro academies; and there's no club in town that any objective pro or college scout will consider to be superior to the Timbers, even as mediocre as TA has been.

With all that said, over the last 15 years certain local clubs were consistent feeders to top colleges having numerous players being an either one or two (yrs) & done variety. Assigned the tag as an Oregonian Generation adidas early entry draftee, which by your standards and description would classify those clubs as de facto pro academies in PDX market. Not possible anymore you claim.

So the question remains why did this established club/college/mls pipeline not get fatter and more robust with the TA taking over around 2013?

Makes no sense--- unless the talent pool locally as well as the requisite coaching just evaporated from the Oregon landscape. Maybe that's the real answer. Since the MLS has grown from 12 teams in 2005 to 27 teams today. There should be a boat load more of Oregonians moving to the MLS pros given the over twofold growth of the MLS.

Maybe it's time to digest it's really been a horrible decade's worth of coaching and players locally--which cannot be argued or denied.

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You gotta admire the energy to pound on the keyboard for so long knowing full well that nobody will read what he types with any level of seriousness.

Title IX Ted is out of the joint? Nice.

Let the anger flow Ted. Let it flow.

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You gotta admire the energy to pound on the keyboard for so long knowing full well that nobody will read what he types with any level of seriousness.

He lives with his Mother. Probably doesn’t have anything better to do.

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After all this time, Title IX Ted is back and fury-posting from the basement of his mother's house.

Good to hear you are out Ted. Hopefully the ankle monitor doesn't itch too much.

Jokes on you. His mother lives in a double wide.

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Jokes on you. His mother lives in a double wide.

His mother IS a double wide.

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You miss the point of the grift, though.

Travel dollars mainly go to the travel and hospitality industry--hotels, airlines, Hertz, chain restaurants in remote cities, etc.--not to clubs or leagues. (Although some shrewd coaches, like the girls coach at Jesuit who runs a travel agency on the side, have figured out how to cash in, and who knows what sort of corruption and kickbacks are involved in "stay and play" tournaments).

The big money, for the enterprising soccer bum, is in private training. If you can get eighteen rich kids on the team, each with a tiger mom/dad who thinks that with enough extra instruction Their Snowflake will be the one, than you're set! Bid them against each other. "Only three hours this week? Susie did five". Suggest that they're not "working hard enough". In the business, the rich parents who will spend $$$$$ for private lessons, to say nothing of things like TOVO training or Taihuichi Academy (I can think of quite a few kids I know of who go overseas to train--not pro academies who have signed them, but pay-to-play outfits that charge big money to pretend as though the kids in their program are all the next Messi) are known as "whales". And if you're a full-time coach, you ain't making any money off your share of club dues, it's the extras that allow one to have a decent income from youth soccer.

Travel DOES have the advantage of discouraging poors from joining the roster; kids who may eat and breathe soccer, but whose families can't afford private tutoring.

Title IX does distort the market somewhat on the girls' side, but whale hunting is equally prevalent on the boys side. The worst offenders can generally be identified as those clubs or coaches who routinely poor-mouth professional academies, and suggest that they, soccer bums holding training sessions in a public park, can do as well.

Rubin, the subject of another thread, spent several years at IMG Academy, which at the time was the top training facility in the US; Westside doesn't get all the credit for his development. In the past, when the path was club/HS -> college -> pros, local youth clubs were generally the drivers of high-level training (most HS soccer programs being rec-focused and with dinosaur coaches). But today, the pathway to the pros, and even to college for top players, frequently involves stops in pro academies; and there's no club in town that any objective pro or college scout will consider to be superior to the Timbers, even as mediocre as TA has been.

More of the Gospel of TED!!! Please. it's nice to have reality breaks from the circus performers, hurling their lame insults at anonymous posters cuz their feelings is hurt they just can't state the sounds bites of lucidity.

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Title IX Ted is out of the joint? Nice.

Let the anger flow Ted. Let it flow.

He must be really angry. Nobody cares but he keeps pounding on the keyboard.

Title IX Ted Is out of the joint and will be spewing non stop anger.

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Title IX Ted is the resident clown. Let him be. We all need a good laugh and he kindly provides this over and over.

Stop it. Your bullying reflects poorly on you.

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He must be really angry. Nobody cares but he keeps pounding on the keyboard.

Title IX Ted Is out of the joint and will be spewing non stop anger.

Another Toast to TED, giving us all a reason to rejoice!

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You miss the point of the grift, though.

Travel dollars mainly go to the travel and hospitality industry--hotels, airlines, Hertz, chain restaurants in remote cities, etc.--not to clubs or leagues. (Although some shrewd coaches, like the girls coach at Jesuit who runs a travel agency on the side, have figured out how to cash in, and who knows what sort of corruption and kickbacks are involved in "stay and play" tournaments).

The big money, for the enterprising soccer bum, is in private training. If you can get eighteen rich kids on the team, each with a tiger mom/dad who thinks that with enough extra instruction Their Snowflake will be the one, than you're set! Bid them against each other. "Only three hours this week? Susie did five". Suggest that they're not "working hard enough". In the business, the rich parents who will spend $$$$$ for private lessons, to say nothing of things like TOVO training or Taihuichi Academy (I can think of quite a few kids I know of who go overseas to train--not pro academies who have signed them, but pay-to-play outfits that charge big money to pretend as though the kids in their program are all the next Messi) are known as "whales". And if you're a full-time coach, you ain't making any money off your share of club dues, it's the extras that allow one to have a decent income from youth soccer.

Travel DOES have the advantage of discouraging poors from joining the roster; kids who may eat and breathe soccer, but whose families can't afford private tutoring.

Title IX does distort the market somewhat on the girls' side, but whale hunting is equally prevalent on the boys side. The worst offenders can generally be identified as those clubs or coaches who routinely poor-mouth professional academies, and suggest that they, soccer bums holding training sessions in a public park, can do as well.

Rubin, the subject of another thread, spent several years at IMG Academy, which at the time was the top training facility in the US; Westside doesn't get all the credit for his development. In the past, when the path was club/HS -> college -> pros, local youth clubs were generally the drivers of high-level training (most HS soccer programs being rec-focused and with dinosaur coaches). But today, the pathway to the pros, and even to college for top players, frequently involves stops in pro academies; and there's no club in town that any objective pro or college scout will consider to be superior to the Timbers, even as mediocre as TA has been.

^^^^May I have another scoop, Please^^^^^

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Travel dollars fuel the side hustle you describe. It's the ecosystem of a thankful grifter, if you are travelling to play the 'best' (wink.wink.nudge.nudge) then you better train like the best with for $75 an hour with me. This business plan is just another unintended consequence of title ix.

Few if any boys private train with these clowns in the local after age 14-15, mostly because the 15 year is better than the trainer and seriously what's the point. I can do this all on my own and don't need you babysitting me like you did when my parents paid for me as a gleeful 11 year old.

Talent, work ethic & ambition will always blaze it's own path or way.

^Not ted but I like it^